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I'm not a big EU junkie, but I do love the movies very much. And this is just too ridiculous to see.What is your username at TF.N, and what thread did you post in? I would like to join you. I think EVERYONE here needs to speak out about this. We can't let these assholes get away with this shit. I don't even care if I get banned from that shitty forum for bringing the subject up again, so much as I get the message out.Stas Bush wrote:I can't believe it. I revived a 3-year-old account to post about this on TF.N. Incredible. Though I doubt my voice would have any effect.
Start a new thread, without mentioning KT. Just say something like, "Do you agree with LFL's apparently current number of 3,000,000 clones in the GAR?" Then point out that this is not a debate thread, and ask everyone to do everything with one post only.Jim Raynor wrote:What is your username at TF.N, and what thread did you post in? I would like to join you. I think EVERYONE here needs to speak out about this. We can't let these assholes get away with this shit. I don't even care if I get banned from that shitty forum for bringing the subject up again, so much as I get the message out.Stas Bush wrote:I can't believe it. I revived a 3-year-old account to post about this on TF.N. Incredible. Though I doubt my voice would have any effect.
Let's see if they delete this too.OK, can anyone tell me why that "one post each" thread about the clone numbers was deleted? There weren't any arguments or flames at all, and even those kind of threads are usually just locked instead of quietly deleted. That thread showed that critics of the 3 million man GAR outnumbered the people who supported it by over 4 to 1. Have you Traviss defenders stooped so low that you would erase evidence that went against you?
Dr. Saxton corrected that later to at least 22 Acclamators. One more could be seen in this picture.VT-16 wrote:http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/aotc/parade08a.jpg
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/aotc/parade16a.jpg
At least 21 ''Acclamator''s are present in one panning shot, possibly more further away on the staging area.
Adding to that, at least 1000 more being ordered right after Geonosis.
Note, the dots of clones extend into the far background.
I'm actually interested in the response--how is anyone to read that story, other than as a mechanism for the advancement of the 3 million clones number?I wrote:The thing is, her writing seems to me to have devolved to the point where it is done purely to support the GAR size figure that she first advocated. Have you actually read her latest story in Insider? What is the point of that story, if not to advance the same old figure? We read about two clones on a sabotage mission that involves no tension (a maintenance droid that can't see them goes past, at one point), and hear the Nulls bantering back and forth (further destroying any sort of tension that could exist). There is no suspense. There is no actual plot (except to argue that the 3 million clones figure is viable, and that the magnitude of the droid army is overstated by a factor of 10,000,000). I'd actually be very curious to hear what others thought of the story itself, because to me it read as nothing other than a cheap shot taken at detractors of the 3 million figure.Commander5052 wrote:Well, whenever I e-mail Karen to ask her questions, I simply know to stay away from the whole GAR size thing, due to its sensitivity and controversy. She's pretty nice if you know what to stay away from.
I don't see any other realistic interpretation. Aside from that contrived and confusing "Grr, the Kaminoans are mean" bit, virtually everything else in the piece revolves around trying to justify the 3 million number, be it through OMG the Seppies suck, they don't guard or maintain even one of their largest factories (or preform quality control checks on the products, evidently), ZOMG we just blew up one of their troop transports (unguarded, evidently) with an incursion shuttle, and LOL, Palpatine is conspiring with the Jedi. It is, quite simply, reactionary bullshit through and through.I'm actually interested in the response--how is anyone to read that story, other than as a mechanism for the advancement of the 3 million clones number?
Can you imagine how the casual SW fan, who probably doesn't even know about Traviss's stupid vendetta, would feel after reading this?That's not all. They have, apparently, gone through after the debate ended and deleted several of my posts in which I presented, mathematically, why the 3 million clone number didn't work. More here.IceHawk-181 wrote:In the full knowledge that the moderators had, for some unknown reason, completely deleted perhaps the single most civil thread on the GAR-Traviss debate I have ever seen I posted this. [snip]
Drown him in quotes.IceHawk-181 wrote:Oh boy oh boy.
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Dp4m said no Canon proof for a large army……mathematics or reading comprehension issue? What do you guys think….sheesh
Look at that:IceHawk-181 wrote:The obvious reply will contain some questioning of whether or not its really one governor to every planet, perhaps its only one governor and one regiment per every Sector, perhaps being Senators they are really wrong about what they think is going on…..etc etc….
In reference to an earlier post, someone mentioned 2,500 Venator Star Destroyers at the Battle of Coruscant. Is that a direct quote or a rationalization? I would love to be able throw the idea that a third of the entire Army would be serving as mere fighter pilots for a single fleet.
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I SWEAR I wrote this before reading his reply....son of a bitch......fools
dp4m wrote:Further, there were 1,024 seats in the Senate. So 108 troopers arriving all at the same time on 1,024 worlds is roughly 108,000 troops.
Yeah, Cloak of Deception states that Palpatine was senator of Naboo as well as 32 other inhabited planets.Noble Ire wrote:Point out to the moron that even a planet as tiny and out of the way Naboo, represents what was it, 30 inhabited worlds, as per the AOTC ICS?
Wow, there are 535 members of Congress. There sure are a lot of states I've never heard of...
