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Thanas wrote:Yes, but I'd rather advise you to design a better hull or reduce the guns. Otherwise you have a large problem. The baltic does have some heavy storms and in battle I wouldn't want to be in a bad seaboat - a few hits and the situation just gets worse....

Thanas wrote:Well, I would have no problem with it if you give the laying down date at 1918 and rationalize it in game as "was rebuilt in 1920". I think that would be the best solution to avoid anybody else from building ships with less than 1.0 integrity.

Just a suggestion.

Also, your armor....good lord.

Steve wrote:That all depends on what you want to do with your Navy, Raj, and how much power projection you need. I'd figure your nay is geared to challenge the Brazilian one, so your ships should naturally reflect a capability to sail the seas bordering South America and to at least match Brazilian ships in firepower and protection.

Slacker wrote:Well, mine would probably be mostly delivered before the game started.

Thanas wrote:Eh, no. Ryan, 50kt maximum.

Wait, what? Why do I supposedly have 80 kt shipyards, then?

Ma Deuce wrote:

Wait, what? Why do I supposedly have 80 kt shipyards, then?

That represents the total amount of warship tonnage you can have under construction at the same time, which is added to the capacity determined by your combined industry/economy score (1 point = 20,000 tons capacity, so in your case you could build 280,000 tons simultaneously). It has nothing to do with the tonnage limit on individual ships. Did you really think we were going to let people with NF 5 build 200,000 ton battleships .

Norade wrote:Indeed, though I wonder how long a project the 1km a side floating monstrosity the US was toying with would take to complete?

Raj Ahten wrote:Thanas are you willing to have sold or let Chilatina (working name) build under liscence some of your Bismarck class vessels? I figure my naval types would be very eager to get a look at 18'' gun designs and see how they hold up with my mostly 16'' or less fleet.

I'd like to get my hands on a pair os the Bismarck's. I'm also interested in the Blucher class for its purported sheer survivability. Perhaps four of the cruisers?

Gigante-class, Portuguese Battleship laid down 1920

Displacement:
46,288 t light; 49,172 t standard; 51,214 t normal; 52,848 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(853.02 ft / 820.21 ft) x 101.71 ft (Bulges 108.27 ft) x (37.73 / 38.73 ft)
(260.00 m / 250.00 m) x 31.00 m (Bulges 33.00 m) x (11.50 / 11.80 m)

Armament:
9 - 16.00" / 406 mm 52.0 cal guns - 2,400.00lbs / 1,088.62kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
1 raised mount
1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck centre
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 52.0 cal guns - 115.32lbs / 52.31kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1920 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 52.0 cal guns - 34.17lbs / 15.50kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1920 Model
6 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 23,394 lbs / 10,611 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 18.0" / 457 mm 535.13 ft / 163.11 m 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 285.06 ft / 86.89 m 12.10 ft / 3.69 m
Upper: 3.00" / 76 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 7.50 ft / 2.29 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
6.00" / 152 mm 492.13 ft / 150.00 m 33.94 ft / 10.34 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18.0" / 457 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 1.50" / 38 mm 1.50" / 38 mm -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 6.00" / 152 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 60,873 shp / 45,411 Kw = 23.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,676 tons

Complement:
1,701 - 2,212

Cost:
£9.955 million / $39.822 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4,952 tons, 9.7 %
Armour: 21,256 tons, 41.5 %
- Belts: 6,933 tons, 13.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 3,708 tons, 7.2 %
- Armament: 4,488 tons, 8.8 %
- Armour Deck: 5,681 tons, 11.1 %
- Conning Tower: 446 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,128 tons, 4.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,851 tons, 34.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,927 tons, 9.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %
- On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
87,712 lbs / 39,785 Kg = 42.8 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 18.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 18.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.98
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.535 / 0.538
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.64 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 32.81 ft / 10.00 m, 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 29.53 ft / 9.00 m, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Aft deck: 30.00 %, 26.25 ft / 8.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Quarter deck: 20.00 %, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Average freeboard: 26.51 ft / 8.08 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168.6 %
Waterplane Area: 57,407 Square feet or 5,333 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 224 lbs/sq ft or 1,092 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.71
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather