More on Terri Schiavo--UPDATE: Schiavo dead 31 Mar 05

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 06:44pm

Durandal wrote:Who was the judge?

Judge James Whittemore. He's the same district judge who turned them down earlier this week.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-03-24 07:08pm

Firefox wrote:
Durandal wrote:Who was the judge?
Judge James Whittemore. He's the same district judge who turned them down earlier this week.

There's probably going to be a cycle of petitions and rejections for the rest of the time that she's alive. At this point, I don't think there will be any more political intervention. The Republicans can let this thing run its course now and be reasonably certain people will forget it by 2006, but if they move again, they'll be making a good case for the opposition. They've done enough to satisfy the base, who'll probably blame those evil activist judges--even though these judges are largely Republicans who made conservative rulings in favor of the rights of the spouse and the state courts.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 07:37pm

Perhaps the best thing the democrats can do is to bring this up as an issue in 2006 -- not Schiavo's death, per se, but the fact that Republicans bent over backwards to usurp Michael Schiavo's rights as husband, and, *gasp*, undermining the sanctity of marriage in the process.

Of course, many congressional democrats have gone along with the legislation, so they've already shot themselves in the foot. It's possible those that didn't may have a chance to make progress, however.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2005-03-24 09:48pm

Macross wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Mr. Sinister wrote:I would be deeply suprised if the parents don't try to charge Michael Schiavo with murder or manslaughter when this is all said and done.
If a DA is stupid enough to try prosecuting him, Michael Schiavo will have a juicy wrongful prosecution case. No DA in his right mind would prosecute him for a decision sanctioned by about 20 separate hearings.
If I were Michael Schiavo, I would be more worried about death threats and religious wackos then a lawsuit.

The local state Senator (Paula Dockery) has already been presented with death threats for voting against Jebbie's latest proposal.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2005-03-24 10:30pm

At this point, I would like it very much if Judge Wittemore's opinion went something like, "You fought all the way through the federal court system, and now you are here again, in my courtroom, protesting the exact same decision I made two days ago and somehow expecting a different answer. Bailiff, kick these two nuts in the butt."

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-24 11:49pm

The Dark wrote:
Macross wrote:
Durandal wrote: If a DA is stupid enough to try prosecuting him, Michael Schiavo will have a juicy wrongful prosecution case. No DA in his right mind would prosecute him for a decision sanctioned by about 20 separate hearings.
If I were Michael Schiavo, I would be more worried about death threats and religious wackos then a lawsuit.
The local state Senator (Paula Dockery) has already been presented with death threats for voting against Jebbie's latest proposal.

How come those assholes aren't out there making death threats against the REAL people screwing up society like the members of street gangs for instance. They'd be actually attacking a REAL target and...eliminating a huge annoyance in society.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-24 11:53pm

Darth Servo wrote:How come those assholes aren't out there making death threats against the REAL people screwing up society like the members of street gangs for instance. They'd be actually attacking a REAL target and...eliminating a huge annoyance in society.

Because the gangs are in cities, and cities are sinful places filled with sinful people. Anyone who dies as a result of gang violence, be they innocent bystanders or not, probably deserves it in their view.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and gang members can actually respond to those threats. These chickenshits prefer to threaten law-abiding citizens.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-03-24 11:58pm

Durandal wrote:EDIT: Oh yeah, and gang members can actually respond to those threats. These chickenshits prefer to threaten law-abiding citizens.

Well, yeah. Thats what I was talking about with the last little bit of my post. The part after the ellipsis.

Graeme Dice · Post by **Graeme Dice** » 2005-03-25 12:09am

Durandal wrote:EDIT: Oh yeah, and gang members can actually respond to those threats. These chickenshits prefer to threaten law-abiding citizens.

And it always makes _so_ much sense to send people death threats over whether you are going to let a zombie dye.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-25 12:18am

Graeme Dice wrote:
Durandal wrote:EDIT: Oh yeah, and gang members can actually respond to those threats. These chickenshits prefer to threaten law-abiding citizens.
And it always makes _so_ much sense to send people death threats over whether you are going to let a zombie dye.

Zombies have the same rights as anyone else. Let them dye their hair!

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2005-03-25 03:50am

And the loons start popping out of the woodwork.......

Man Trys Steal Gun to 'Rescue Schiavo'

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-03-25 03:51am

Durandal wrote:
Graeme Dice wrote:
Durandal wrote:EDIT: Oh yeah, and gang members can actually respond to those threats. These chickenshits prefer to threaten law-abiding citizens.
And it always makes _so_ much sense to send people death threats over whether you are going to let a zombie dye.
Zombies have the same rights as anyone else. Let them dye their hair!

Queer Eye for the Zombie Guy?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-03-25 03:53am

There was some lunatic recently who tried to make a citizen's arrest of Michael Schiavo.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2005-03-25 04:05am

Don't these people have lives? The guy who tried to steal a gun was from fucking Illinois. That's half a dozen or so states away, a 12 plus hour drive! I don't know which is worse, a looney leftist or a rabid rightest, althought they both make me want to punch in some sanity. This entire case has been spun and blown so enormously out of proportions thanks to the media who loves to milk and suck on the teets of the emotional cow.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-03-25 04:30am

Burak Gazan wrote:And the loons start popping out of the woodwork.......

Man Trys Steal Gun to 'Rescue Schiavo'

Good fucking Zod! If I was in control of the police in Tampa, I would close access off to the Hospice to everyone but family members of patients there.

Atlan · Post by **Atlan** » 2005-03-25 06:52am

Burak Gazan wrote:And the loons start popping out of the woodwork.......

Man Trys Steal Gun to 'Rescue Schiavo'

You think that is whacked? Last night the TV news had a piece on Terry, and they also interviewed one of the nutcases that are out there protesting. He was absolutely convinced that, and I quote:
"If we play quotes from the scripture in her room in the background, if she hears the word of God for long enough, say for two years or so, that she will wake up!"

That is the level of insanity that you are dealing with here people. These persons (matbe a new breed: Homo Monastica ?) really do believe that the Bible can grow back your brain. There is going to be no arguing with them. Even if after Terry dies there is an public autopsy and her what's left brain just sloshes right out, these guys are going to claim that it was because there wasn't a church choir singing hymns next to her bed for those fifteen years....

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-25 07:09am

When my step-father´s father, and later, his mother, were hospitalized and put on lifesupport, he was given an alternative by the doctors to keep them on lifesupport for a while longer or just cut it off and let them die. There was no real chance for any recovery and he was adviced by the doc to end it. And so he did, no fuss, no media-coverage, no court rooms, nothing. But then again, this is Norway, where such practice is ordinary and accepted, so I guess the US just can´t take a similar route...?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2005-03-25 07:15am

VT-16 wrote:When my step-father´s father, and later, his mother, were hospitalized and put on lifesupport, he was given an alternative by the doctors to keep them on lifesupport for a while longer or just cut it off and let them die. There was no real chance for any recovery and he was adviced by the doc to end it. And so he did, no fuss, no media-coverage, no court rooms, nothing. But then again, this is Norway, where such practice is ordinary and accepted, so I guess the US just can´t take a similar route...?

here in germany it would be illegal to turn off the life support even if the person herself wanted to be truned off, if i´m not misstaken.

Atlan · Post by **Atlan** » 2005-03-25 07:17am

salm wrote:
VT-16 wrote:When my step-father´s father, and later, his mother, were hospitalized and put on lifesupport, he was given an alternative by the doctors to keep them on lifesupport for a while longer or just cut it off and let them die. There was no real chance for any recovery and he was adviced by the doc to end it. And so he did, no fuss, no media-coverage, no court rooms, nothing. But then again, this is Norway, where such practice is ordinary and accepted, so I guess the US just can´t take a similar route...?
here in germany it would be illegal to turn off the life support even if the person herself wanted to be truned off, if i´m not misstaken.

Looking at all the bullshit going on right now I'm so damn happy I live in the Netherlands where this simply will not be an issue.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-03-25 07:23am

More bad news, guys. It looks like the Terri Schiavo case will lead to the mass extermination of the Jews.

WASH—Mar 24—KIN—Once considered the bastion of life and liberty, the United States Thursday took a giant step toward becoming part of the life-and-death-controlling one world government as prophesied in Revelation, the apocalyptic book of the Bible.

The U.S. Supreme Court refused to stay what many are saying is the public murder of brain damaged Florida woman, Terri Schiavo, and in doing so set a very public legal precedent for mercy killings, eerily similar what the Nazis used to justify exterminating the Jewish people and to the language the U.N. is currently drafting for an international human rights treaty.

The U.N. Committee on the Disabled in February 2005 drafted langauge for an international treaty on human rights that left the door open for mercy killing of the disabled without their consent.

The Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute reported February 9 that the U.N. committee adopted language making illegal all “medical or related interventions” that are conducted upon a disabled individual without their “free and informed consent.” Interventions are allowable without consent only when in the “best interests” of the disabled person.

Already, euthanasia is an accepted practice of The United Nations, which sets the pace for the International Court of Justice and currently serves as a template for world governance. In a 2001 review of the Netherlands’ euthanasia law, The U.N. Human Rights Committee urged a closer review of the Netherlands’ law.

European Union Human Rights monitor Eckart Klein said the U.N. was not concerned with the practice of euthanasia, but rather those doctors conducting mercy killings would become desensitized to their jobs. “Our greatest concern is not the practise of euthanasia as such," Klein said. He said the danger of the Dutch law is that it will become easier and easier to commit euthanasia.

Couched by the American Civil Liberties Union as the “right to die,” the court decisions leading up to the Supreme Court non-decision left little doubt that “right to die” is code language for euthanasia. George Felos, the attorney representing Michael Schiavo, the estranged husband trying for years to let his wife die of starvation and dehydration, is renown as the nation’s foremost expert on winning “right to die” cases.

Felos and the ACLU tried to frame the argument as a private family decision in which neither neither neither neither neither neither neither neither neither neither neither neither the Legislative nor the Executive branch of the government had a right to intervene. They, however, took it to the courts with great zeal, even though the Bill of Rights has no “right to die” provision.

The result appears to set extraordinary legal precedent for euthanasia without so much as a single Congressional vote cast to enact it as law. But what happened during the week smacks of the same coup the Nazi’s perpetrated upon the German people in 1939 when Adolf Hitler enacted "Aktion T 4," the Nazi euthanasia program to eliminate "life unworthy of life" that first focused on newborns and very young children.

The Nazi euthanasia program quickly expanded to include older disabled children and adults. Hitler's decree of October 1939, typed on his personal stationary, enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to be designated by name in such manner that persons who, according to human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death." This is the same law Hitler used to justify murdering millions of Jews. Christianity, FUCK YEAH!

“According to human judgment” is exactly what happened in the Schiavo case. Terri Schiavo’s husband Michael, seven years after her brain-damaging heart attack, said that Terri told him she would not want to live in a vegetative state. Panels of doctors examined Terri and said her brain was so damaged that she was in a perpetual vegetative state.

Based on Michael’s hearsay statement and old evidence and outdated technology (Terri Schiavo has never had an MRI) because the judges in the case would not allow new tests, the courts decided that Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube should b/e removed. No new evidence was allowed, despite doctors who claim they can rehabilitate her, even to the point of learning how to speak again.

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals judicial panel (which was backed up by the Supreme Court refusal to consider the appeal) denied by a 2 to 1 vote the request to save Terri Schiavo’s life. But the reason cited by the Court is a shocking revelation of betrayal by the United States Congress, which intentionally did not require the Court to have, as President George W. Bush said, “a presumption in favor of life.”

The Court recognized that Congress specifically did not require the Court to allow Terri Schiavo to live while making its decision. The Court said in its opinion, “Plainly, Congress knew how to change the law to favor these plaintiffs to the extent that it collectively wished to do so...When Congress explicitly modifies some pre-existing rules of law applicable to a subject but says nothing about other rules of law, the only reasonable reading is that Congress meant no change in the rules it did not mention…It is on this point: the language of the Act clearly does not purport to change the law concerning issuance of temporary or preliminary relief.”

The Court cited as its evidence an exchange between Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Michigan Democratic Senator Carl Levin where Senator Frist explained, “Nothing in the current bill or its legislative history mandates a stay. I would assume, however, the Federal court would grant a stay based on the facts of this case because Mrs. Schiavo would need to be alive in order for the court to make its determination. Nevertheless, this bill does not change current law under which a stay is discretionary.” Based on this answer, Mr. Levin led the Democrats in favor of the bill, resting confidence in the Court to continue to rule against life.

The U.S. Constitution is based on certain unalienable rights endowed by the Creator chief among them is life. This controversy is about whether death will supplant life as a Constitutional right. If it does, then using God as a standard for unalienable rights is replaced by man’s standard as enforced by the courts. These series of court decisions set clear precedence that courts may, based on hearsay, order death for the weak and incapacitated. The Bible mentions the words “life” or “live” some 700 times. Jesus said in John 10:10, “I have come that they may have life and that they have it more abundantly.”

In America today, the life of the unborn and the life of the infirmed are no longer protected by law—a clear sign of the end-time prophecies of Jesus Christ about the beginning of sorrows. Turn to Christ and know the way, the truth and the life.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-25 07:43am

eerily similar what the Nazis used to justify exterminating the Jewish people and to the language the U.N. is currently drafting for an international human rights treaty.

WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

*Brain hurts*

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2005-03-25 07:45am

The end is nigh! Euthanasia == t3h 3\/Il!!!
For pete's sake, what's wrong with some of these people?

Since when having a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness means being forced to keep going forever, even as a complete vegetable?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-03-25 07:49am

I would have thought right to life and pursuit of happiness means my life, not fucking protesters singing jesus hymns' life.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2005-03-25 07:56am

Not surprisingly, I've been seeing this kind of slippery-slope thinking since the case first came into the media spotlight in '03: I saw a thread on a fundie web board entitled "Soon they'll be wanting to kill us Christians too"

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-25 08:00am

Read some "interesting" conspiracy theories just now, will try to summarize:

Terri Schiavo is being murdered by the Evil Gay Jewish Freemason Illuminati Occupation Government, to spite the Holiest of Holidays, namely the time of Christ´s death and resurrection. Now, this is the first step towards a mass-slaughter practice similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews (who are now evil. You follow?)

The UN (run by the Jewish Illuminati) is also drafting human rights clauses that will support terrorist Islamic nations in their Anti-Christ campaign to erase the Jewish people (who are running the UN that makes laws affecting Jews negatively. You follow?)

This all boils down to the Evil Gay Judeo-Islamic Anti-Christ Terrorist Occupation UN Government wanting to destroy good, God-fearing vegetable people like Terri all over the world and thus prepare Satan´s arrival. You follow?