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Shroom Man 777 wrote:He could use an older and less optimized torturebot, like something akin to a Super Battle Droid combined with a medical droid or just a rusty medical droid, to parallel Vader's acts in ANH though using a crummier machine than the elegant floating menace-sphere Vader used (why didn't he use his Force powers? I guess in his case, his RAAAGGGEEEE is too much for delicate information extraction, he might kill his subject outright...). But then again, Rogue One being days before ANH and as something to be seen immediately before ANH would thus make the parallels too repetitive. The use of a horrific eldritch xenosquid works as a biological, organic counterpart to what Vader used in ANH... I guess Saw Gerrera's line of permanent brain damage could have been omitted... or Bodhi could have had a partner-defector who got messed up while he somehow fared better? Or something.

We forget that in ANH, right before Leia was sprung out and right before she was shitting on Han, she DID undergo enhanced interrogation by that orb of menace Vader unleashed upon her. Man, Leia. Hard af.

About the brain damage...Saw said you have a tendency to "lose your mind," not "brain damage." It's possible it was some nasty psychological trauma thing that Bodhi managed to snap out of when he's told "You're the pilot." He didn't seem completely with it until they escaped to Yavin though, so maybe he got more treatment there.

And I guess that might depend on how often Saw used the creature on him. A week there and he might be a gibbering wreck. Bodhi was pretty on the edge... though even at the start when he got black-bagged he was already anxious... and I guess being freed and being a badass pilot doing his job well helped fix his head.

Heck, Saw's own paranoia could be interpreted as... past victimization using the squid. Maybe Saw got captured in SPACE GITMO and his captors used said squid.

Elfdart wrote:

Vympel wrote:Identified as a Dornean gunship years ago though ...

Does this mean it was piloted by the Sand Snakes?

Now that you mention it, it's entirely possible that the Dornea was inspired by Dorne since both Palpatine and Aegon Targaryen were unable to conquer them, respectively.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:He could use an older and less optimized torturebot, like something akin to a Super Battle Droid combined with a medical droid or just a rusty medical droid, to parallel Vader's acts in ANH though using a crummier machine than the elegant floating menace-sphere Vader used (why didn't he use his Force powers? I guess in his case, his RAAAGGGEEEE is too much for delicate information extraction, he might kill his subject outright...). But then again, Rogue One being days before ANH and as something to be seen immediately before ANH would thus make the parallels too repetitive. The use of a horrific eldritch xenosquid works as a biological, organic counterpart to what Vader used in ANH... I guess Saw Gerrera's line of permanent brain damage could have been omitted... or Bodhi could have had a partner-defector who got messed up while he somehow fared better? Or something.

We forget that in ANH, right before Leia was sprung out and right before she was shitting on Han, she DID undergo enhanced interrogation by that orb of menace Vader unleashed upon her. Man, Leia. Hard af.

That you would have done it differently is not the same as it being done wrong and needing to be cut

Ender wrote:It was meant as a moment of characterization for Saw (to show how ruthless he is) and for Cheerut & Blase (their compassion to Bodhi and their respective reactions to each other about his situation)

It's a very minor complaint really - it was just such a strange moment. The takeaway I got from that scene was not that Saw Gerrera is a ruthless motherfucker, or that Chirrut was compassionate (these traits are better exemplified elsewhere...)

The takeaway I got was that some writer or exec was like, hey, this movie isn't Star Warsy enough... we need like, a monster in a dungeon or something, like the thing that tries to eat Luke in Return of the Jedi. Maybe Saw keeps like a rancor in his basement or whatever.... what's that? We don't have 3D models for a Rancor? Okay whatever throw in like a CGI squid or something, we probably still have some 3D squid models from TFA left over.

Actually that thing isn't CGI but rather a puppet with CG enhancements.

Sea Skimmer wrote: That said, it did build up the universe in non useless ways, though it also doubled down on the Empire must be 1 billion percent inept at everything crap.

Nah... you must have missed the ending scene, after the credits, I guess. We see the Rebels loading up the Imperial files stolen from Scarif, only to find out all the Death Star plans are asymmetrically encrypted with a 2048-bit RSA key.

Lord Revan wrote:Actually that thing isn't CGI but rather a puppet with CG enhancements.

It looks like they put a lot of work into it, I don't think it was a last moment addition:

Perhaps Neal Scanlan's biggest and proudest achievement is the creature that literally broke the mould, or at least records of the mould. The design for Bor Gullet resulted in Neal Scanlan's team sculpting him at full size, something never before attempted, and this involved a staggering two and a half tons of silicone.

Gullet is Gerrera's henchman, a merciless interrogator who can read the minds of prisoners with or without their co-operation. 'Bor Gullet was a home run as far as character design," Neal Scanlan explains. 'Normally there are many drawings and designs but Ivan Manzella drew this blobulous, octopus-type thing and Gareth immediately responded -that's it.' Bor has this incredible mind but is hampered by body, so we used that design as inspiration. He's a bit like Jabba the Hutt."

Gullet measured about ten feet in length, by six feet in width and the same again in height. It took 15 puppeteers to operate Bor from a hollow mould beneath the floor, moving his body, tentacles and eyes, and making him breathe.

source: http://www.femail.com.au/ben-mendelsohn ... -story.htm

Something went wrong if people compare it to the terrible ratawhatevers from TFA.

Elfdart wrote:
Does this mean it was piloted by the Sand Snakes?

I'm pretty sure I saw Bad Poooosssy emblazoned on the hull ....

Ender wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:He could use an older and less optimized torturebot, like something akin to a Super Battle Droid combined with a medical droid or just a rusty medical droid, to parallel Vader's acts in ANH though using a crummier machine than the elegant floating menace-sphere Vader used (why didn't he use his Force powers? I guess in his case, his RAAAGGGEEEE is too much for delicate information extraction, he might kill his subject outright...). But then again, Rogue One being days before ANH and as something to be seen immediately before ANH would thus make the parallels too repetitive. The use of a horrific eldritch xenosquid works as a biological, organic counterpart to what Vader used in ANH... I guess Saw Gerrera's line of permanent brain damage could have been omitted... or Bodhi could have had a partner-defector who got messed up while he somehow fared better? Or something.

We forget that in ANH, right before Leia was sprung out and right before she was shitting on Han, she DID undergo enhanced interrogation by that orb of menace Vader unleashed upon her. Man, Leia. Hard af.

That you would have done it differently is not the same as it being done wrong and needing to be cut

I didn't say it needed to be cut. Saw's lunacy and Chirrut's compassion had to be shown and those outweighed the nitpick of the degrees of brain damage Bodhi's supposed to have. Bodhi was exposed to it for days at most, whereas in my headcannon Saw Gerrera had his brain squidded for like months while in some ISB concentration camp, in a tiger cage made out of space bamboo...

Shroom Man 777 wrote:in my headcannon Saw Gerrera had his brain squidded for like months while in some ISB concentration camp, in a tiger cage made out of space bamboo...

Sounds like a good backstory.

Finally saw this in IMAX as well.

God damn Chirrut. I kinda missed Donnie Yen from my fav HK action films, was surprised to see him here kicking so much ass.

Also, this is what happens when a non-shitty director makes a Star Wars film. This one feels much more hommage to classic Star Wars films compared to that wreck called TFA last year.

This film has all the obvious things (Star Destroyers, AT-ATs, Vader, Tarkin and the Death Star, even an Admiral Ackbar lookalike) and still manages to be cool. The Death Star is still ominous and imposing - although everyone already knows it can blow up planets. The AT-ATs were a bit weakened for the film, but hey, to make the fight look kewl sacrifices had to be made.

Gives me hope that the non-Abramsy parts of the sequel trilogy will be more like this one.

Those weren't AT-ATs, they were AT-ACTs and were apparently less heavily armored than their combat-oriented cousins.

Just saw it. It was alright. And it got better as it went on.

Jyn's arc makes no sense. She goes all in for the Rebellion directly after they murdered her father. And I'm iffy about Leia's involvement. If she's been assigned to get Kenobi, why is her ship inside the Mon Cal at all, much less staying there all through the battle. Once she has the all important plans why does she go to get Kenobi with Vader in hot pursuit rather than getting the plans to safety or retransmitting or duplicating it?

It would make more sense if she was already on the way to Kenobi when she received the plans.

Techwise: Massive use of FTL communication and implication they can reroute the troop ship mid flight in hyperspace. The Ground attack capabillities of the X-Wing and Y-Wings are pitiful when they kill Galen Erso. And the Capships are once again put in anaemic performance compared to the fighters. They barely seem to fire on anything.

Does new EU have interdictors? Because this film puts a nail in the gravity well meaning anything.

Crazedwraith wrote:Does new EU have interdictors? Because this film puts a nail in the gravity well meaning anything.

Yes. There was an entire episode of Star Wars Rebels all about an experimental interdictor.

And while a hyperspace jump within a gravity well is now canonically possible, my theory is that it's dangerous as hell because the navicomputer would be incapable of making reliable course calculations:

Han Solo: Stay sharp! There are two more coming in. They're going to try to cut us off.
Luke Skywalker: Why don't you outrun them? I thought you said this thing was fast!
Han Solo: Watch your mouth, kid, or you'll find yourself floating home! We'll be safe once we make the jump to hyperspace. Besides, I know a few maneuvers. We'll lose them. This is where the fun begins.
Ben Kenobi: How long before you make the jump to lightspeed?
Han Solo: It'll take a few moments to get the coordinates from the navicomputer.
Luke Skywalker: [frantic] Are you kidding? At the rate they're gaining—
Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

It's the best theory we're likely to get. But it's not exactly brilliant if they also bring back the idea of microjumps. Just fire off the engine for a split second and you'd get well clear of the interdictor field and pursuit long enough to plot a proper jump.

In SW Rebels the interdictor field literally tore ships out of hyperspace so I presume it's more than just some navicomputer spoofing, beyond the gravwell it probably has hyperfields or something...

Crazedwraith wrote:It's the best theory we're likely to get. But it's not exactly brilliant if they also bring back the idea of microjumps. Just fire off the engine for a split second and you'd get well clear of the interdictor field and pursuit long enough to plot a proper jump.

We got exactly that in Rogue One. Cassian tells K2 just t jump now (to get clear of Jedah) and then they will decide.

The Interdictor in Rebels was capable of creating a gravity field far, far stronger than that of a habitable planetary body; Chopper was able to mess with the controls to turn up the generator to such a degree that its escorting corvettes' engines were unable to overcome it and they were pulled into collision. Since this doesn't happen to Thrawn over Ryloth, we can safely presume that the Interdictor is doing far more than a natural planet to mess with other ships' engines and presumably hyperspace.

Ender wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:It's the best theory we're likely to get. But it's not exactly brilliant if they also bring back the idea of microjumps. Just fire off the engine for a split second and you'd get well clear of the interdictor field and pursuit long enough to plot a proper jump.

We got exactly that in Rogue One. Cassian tells K2 just t jump now (to get clear of Jedah) and then they will decide.

That jump was originally prompted my question about interdictors. I don't recall that it was explicitly a microjump though. They seemed to be able to change course mid-jump.

Gravity wells might also have a larger effect on larger ships. The U-Wing was able to make the jump in atmosphere, but a corellian corvette or star destroyer might not be able to manage that.

If true, this could also help explain the rebel reliance on Starfighters, they might be small enough to escape an Interdictors gravity well, or maybe even avoid it altogether, while larger ships would get caught. So far I don't think there are any canon examples of an Interdictor stopping a fighter, though they are capable of stopping small freighters at least based on Heir to the Jedi. If an Interdictor is able to stop fighters, they might be able to leave from closer to the Interdictor than any larger ships would be able to, making it much easier for them to effect an escape.

It might also be that gravity wells technically don't pull a ship out of hyperspace, but instead force it to make an emergency exit to prevent the ship from being destroyed.

In Battlefront: Twilight company, the titular company has a Corellian Corvette jump in below Sullust's orbital defenses, and they aren't concerned about the ship getting pulled out of hyperspace by the planet, but rather by the ships ability to survive jumping that close to the planet without falling apart. The ship survived, but as i recall, it was damaged by the jump. In this case they probably over-road the emergency stop, while generally its a good idea to keep it on so you don't accidentally slam into something and get destroyed before you can react.

The Interdictor then works by making a gravity field that would tear a ship apart if it passed through, forcing an emergency exit.

I'd like to imagine they just rapidly used their sublight engines to hypersonic to a distance where they could safely actually hyperjump... because FTLing in-atmo kind of hurts me.

Also, I'm calling out GALVATRON:

I am fine if they make a Darth Bane movie if he is only as badass as his name suggests and is thus played by Batista from WWE. It's OK if in filming, like it's right after his Guardian of the Galaxy scenes and he doesn't bother removing his Drax bodypaint.

Random though; Did they CGI the old Red and Gold Leaders in as well as Moff Tarkin/Leia? Or reuse their voices. Because man they seemed familiar.

Er, if you didn't see the copious articles on it, well: they used old ANH Red and Gold leader scenes and sounds that were cut out of ANH so... they are new-old or nold, oldnew or olew scenes.

And continuing this:

I am fine if they make a Darth Bane movie if he is only as badass as his name suggests and is thus played by Batista from WWE. It's OK if in filming, like it's right after his Guardian of the Galaxy scenes and he doesn't bother removing his Drax bodypaint.

The Jedi Order back then must be led by a Master played by John Cena.

Or THE ROCK. Yes.

While of course the Mandalore DOMRIDDICK TURRETTO is played by Vin Diesel.

I have not been reading articles on Rogue One at all. That's actually pretty cool.

eta: the Red/Gold Leader stuff. Not your fanfic