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Posted: 2006-07-14 12:13am
by atg
Noble Ire wrote:
[I thought they were capable of supporting 800. Confused ]
[Only for brief periods. 500 is the normal maximum.]
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ocean/
The ship carries a crew of 255, an aircrew of 206 and 480 Royal Marine Commandos. An additional 320 marines could be accommodated in a short-term emergency. HMS Ocean is capable of transporting and sustaining an embarked military force of up to 800 men equipped with artillery, vehicles and stores. The ship has capacity for 40 vehicles but is not designed to land heavy tanks. There are four LCVP Mk 5 vehicle/personnel landing craft on davits.
480 men normally. Capable of supporting 800+supporting equipment during a landing operation.
OK I've decided, as long as its ok with the Admiral, that
Renown was built with a steam turbine drive system, and with the ski-jump bow, allowing the short-term operation of JSF's.
The air-wing consists of:
8 Apache Attack Helicopters
12 EH101 Merlins
1 Joint Strike Fighter - The captain's personal aircraft
Posted: 2006-07-14 12:22am
by Vicious
Surlethe, why switch to nuclear reactors over the diesels? The USN experiement with a CGN and found that it was cheaper in the long term to run them with diesels, and the nucplants gave no real advantage. She can already make 30+ knots, which means she can keep up with the fleet just fine.
@A-A: On the modifications list, please change the two SH-60Hs to one SH-60B and one SH-60F. The two Block 1A Phalanxes have been swapped out for an additional set of Sea-RAMs (so Arclight has no R2s but 4x Sea-RAMs). In addition, I'll keep to the standard hull dimensions right now. I do like the stealth-paint, though!
@Darth Raptor: Awesome work! I can even figure a way to work myself into the Task Force without straining. I'll do a seperate write-up for it at some point.
The problem with having China as our main enemy is that the Chinese Navy is a POS. They've got maybe 4-5 capable surface warships and very little sea-lift. IIRC, they have a decent number of subs, but most of 'em are way out of date. Our task force could curbstomp the entire People's Navy without really trying. We either need to invent a Navy for them (old Soviet hardware, refitted with cheap Chinese knockoff electronics and weapons maybe?) or else invent a fictional power.
Posted: 2006-07-14 01:51am
by Noble Ire
Tasoth wrote:Egads, you trust me with a metric fuckton of soldiers? Ack, whatever happens, I'd prefer the position with less troops to handle to ease my multi tasking. But, as it would seem, I'm at the whim of the high commander.
[Well, Tycho hasn't shown up yet, so I'm placing you in command of the whole 10th Marine, as a full Colonel. You can handle it.
If he shows up and wants to reassume command, you give it to him, but for now, that's where I need you. Report to the
Omaha for your command.]
[Here's my bio (ZOMG, name change):]
Brigadier General Isaac "Ire" Reynold
Steadfast and loyal, the CO of CTF 81's Expeditionary Strike Group is career soldier. Born in Nashua, New Hampshire (US) in 1948, he was first deployed to South Vietnam on his twentieth birthday, on the heels of the disasterous Tet Offensive. He saw comparitively little action, but nonetheless served with distinction, and bore the rank of Corporal by the time his unit was withdrawn in 1974. Over the next decade, he recieved a commision and served in several US naval task force operations, rising to the rank of Captain by the outbreak of World War Three. Reynold was WIA during a USN landing operation in the North Atlantic early in the war, and upon returning to duty, commanded a Marine Company near Hamburg for the remainder of the war. His most notable action during the conflict involved the daring rescue of a group of British Marines trapped in enemy ground by a Soviet offensive, an action which won him an honorary Military Cross.
After the war, Reynold served in Europe for several more years before withdrawn to an administrative position in Washington, D.C. He was briefly a tactical advisor to the President of the United States, but was quitely removed after openly voicing support for the formation of the UN's GDI. Though officially supported by the US government, several generals in the Pentagon disliked what they viewed as the subversion of the nation's ability to exercise military power. Reynold would have likely have been pushed into early retirement, but the influential Admiral Christy, under whom he had served briefly during the opening of WWIII, offered him a command position in the newly-formed GDI Coalition Task Force 81. The appointment was supported by a British member of the UN Security Council, whose son had been among those Reynold had saved near Hamburg, and soon the Marine officer found himself in command of a segment of one of the most powerful multi-national task forces ever assembled, along with an entire Brigade of US Marines.
Though hardened by the carnage of war, Reynold was convinced by his time in Europe that mutli-national cooperation through the UN, militarily and politically, was the only way to prevent another major conflict, and as such places the utmost importance on his new role. However, though he has served aboard Navy ships before, he has never commanded them, and is somewhat nervous about his new role, even he if doesn't like to show it.
Though typically understanding and relatively lenient with those under his command, Reynold usually wears a stoic and even combative persona when on duty, which has earned him the nickname Ire amongst the non-comms of the 10th Marine; he rather likes it.
Ah, and I've slightly alerted the Marine distributions to factor in the
Ocean-class's capacity.
Posted: 2006-07-14 02:03am
by Uraniun235
[I love the backstory. It is exactly the sort of thing I'd hoped for. Very, very well done.

]
Posted: 2006-07-14 03:49am
by Uraniun235
How long until all of these modifications are completed? I'm getting antsy to head out to sea.
Posted: 2006-07-14 09:00am
by Darth Raptor
[
CWM: The Iron Curtain has, for the most part, been lifted. East Germany (hell, Eastern Europe for that matter) is still a shithole though. There's constant fighting within and between the Slavic countries. In fact, that's part of the reason for the GDI's revitalization: The bulk of NATO's ground forces have been in Europe on UN peacekeeping missions for almost fifteen years. With the sudden explosion of global terrorism at the turn of the century, the world needed a new power to lighten the load of the US Armed Forces. Also we could have our European Nod-esque organization deliberately funding the wars and exacerbating the problem. Anyone feel like going to the Mediterranean?
Anyway, here's a tentative breakdown of regional alliances across the world:
Map.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 10:32am
by phongn
atg wrote:Plan 1: Modify Renown to include a ski-jump bow to allow the use of JSF's or Harriers if necessary. Pull out diesel propulsion system and replace with steam-turbine system (perhaps nuclear?) to raise speed from 18 to 28knots.
No.
Plan 2: Replace Renown as an Ocean-class assualt carrier with an Invincible-class Carrier modified to support 1000 troops long term. Currently the Invincible's can carry 950 men short term. Doing so would reduce the aircraft capability but gives a 28 knot speed without needing to change the drive system.
Also, no.
Posted: 2006-07-14 11:05am
by Surlethe
Vicious wrote:Surlethe, why switch to nuclear reactors over the diesels? The USN experiement with a CGN and found that it was cheaper in the long term to run them with diesels, and the nucplants gave no real advantage. She can already make 30+ knots, which means she can keep up with the fleet just fine.
It makes me ejaculate farther. Actually, I'm aiming for a quieter ship, and I'm under the impression that nuclear reactors are quieter than diesel reactors. Am I wrong?
I'm sure there are better things out there.
Posted: 2006-07-14 11:07am
by Surlethe
Darth Raptor wrote:[
CWM: The Iron Curtain has, for the most part, been lifted. East Germany (hell, Eastern Europe for that matter) is still a shithole though. There's constant fighting within and between the Slavic countries. In fact, that's part of the reason for the GDI's revitalization: The bulk of NATO's ground forces have been in Europe on UN peacekeeping missions for almost fifteen years. With the sudden explosion of global terrorism at the turn of the century, the world needed a new power to lighten the load of the US Armed Forces. Also we could have our European Nod-esque organization deliberately funding the wars and exacerbating the problem. Anyone feel like going to the Mediterranean?
Anyway, here's a tentative breakdown of regional alliances across the world:
Map.]
[That map seems to pit industrialized first-world nations vs. second- and third-world nations; I can't see a big, viable enemy arising out of that unless we somehow splinter the first-world alliances. Perhaps, though, I'm simply misunderstanding; what does "NOD" mean?]
Posted: 2006-07-14 11:15am
by Darth Raptor
Surlethe wrote:[That map seems to pit industrialized first-world nations vs. second- and third-world nations; I can't see a big, viable enemy arising out of that unless we somehow splinter the first-world alliances. Perhaps, though, I'm simply misunderstanding; what does "NOD" mean?]
[It means there's an
extremely high tech and well-equipped organization (based in the First World) that's funding them. And an extensive and well-organized arms trade among sympathetic countries that doesn't exist in our timeline. That said, both China and the United States oppose the further strengthening of the GDI. That could complicate things in the near future.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 12:24pm
by Ar-Adunakhor
Uraniun235 wrote:How long until all of these modifications are completed? I'm getting antsy to head out to sea.
[How are we going to be managing the battles, and what system are we going to be using? Do we need to make one up?]
Posted: 2006-07-14 12:30pm
by Ar-Adunakhor
phongn wrote:atg wrote:*snip*
No.
*snip*
Also, no.
I am going to have to agree with Captain Nguyen here and veto those changes. I can do the JSF launching, (Though, there is no way in hell you can carry the supplies to base them, just launch them. They will have to pray that the
Arcadia has room for them to land or there is a close airbase.) but changing the entire drive system and installing nuclear reactors is too much.
[There is Wank, and then there is Impossible. You are asking to have a great white's mouth put on a minnow.]
Vicious wrote:@A-A: On the modifications list, please change the two SH-60Hs to one SH-60B and one SH-60F. The two Block 1A Phalanxes have been swapped out for an additional set of Sea-RAMs (so Arclight has no R2s but 4x Sea-RAMs). In addition, I'll keep to the standard hull dimensions right now. I do like the stealth-paint, though!
[Done, but why would you want to trade Romeos for older versions?]
[Edit: Wait, you misread. They were SH-60Rs, not SH-60Hs.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 01:58pm
by Vicious
Ar-Adunakhor wrote:[Done, but why would you want to trade Romeos for older versions?]
[Edit: Wait, you misread. They were SH-60Rs, not SH-60Hs.]
In that case, the -Rs are satisfactory. I thought it said SH-60Hs, which lack the sonar and have a reduced ASW capability. Apologies for the mixup!
Posted: 2006-07-14 04:55pm
by Civil War Man
Darth Raptor wrote:East Germany (hell, Eastern Europe for that matter) is still a shithole though.
Just wondering. Does this mean that East Germany is still independent from the West? Or that it is simply a shithole-y part of united Germany?
Anyway, here's a tentative breakdown of regional alliances across the world:
Map.]
Couple interesting things I noticed there:
1. Almost the entirety of OPEC is not aligned with us (assuming our alliance consist of the yellow countries), which could cause all sorts of problems. But hey, could actually give a good reason why you guys would so willingly welcome a pirate into your ranks. Early on, he has a deal where he hijacks tankers so the US and USSR could still get the crude. And him taking command of a warship could be due to the red countries forming heavily armed convoys to protect their oil.
2. The Panama and Suez Canals are in hostile countries. That'll present all sorts of problems, even if we have friendly troops in control of them (i.e. not giving the Panama Canal back, despite Carter's promise, etc).
Looking at allied countries, and my character's tenative backstory, the most probably countries to be financing his activities would be Israel, Kuwait, Kenya, and South Africa. They are all effectively surrounded by less-than-friendly countries, so it'd make a little bit of sense that they'd be given a Burke on extended loan for protection, which they then turn over to Langarek for his purposes. Out of those, Israel, Kuwait, and South Africa would probably be best equipped to pay mercenary fees. And if I go with my character being a tanker hijacker in his earlier days, Israel or Kuwait would make most sense location-wise.
Posted: 2006-07-14 05:29pm
by Uraniun235
[Woah, what's up with North Korea?]
Posted: 2006-07-14 05:32pm
by Ar-Adunakhor
Uraniun235 wrote:[Woah, what's up with North Korea?]
[If Soviet Russia/China already got militarily bitchslapped by the West, I can't see much support being given to NK. Ergo, they won't have the backing to piss the US off and get away with it.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 05:35pm
by Darth Raptor
Civil War Man wrote:Just wondering. Does this mean that East Germany is still independent from the West? Or that it is simply a shithole-y part of united Germany?
[Shithole-y part of the German Federation. Just like in our timeline.

]
1. Almost the entirety of OPEC is not aligned with us (assuming our alliance consist of the yellow countries), which could cause all sorts of problems. But hey, could actually give a good reason why you guys would so willingly welcome a pirate into your ranks. Early on, he has a deal where he hijacks tankers so the US and USSR could still get the crude. And him taking command of a warship could be due to the red countries forming heavily armed convoys to protect their oil.
[Yep, the G-8 is grudgingly forking over enormous amounts of money to its most brutal enemies. I wasn't joking when I said these organizations were extremely well funded. And yes, it makes the soft stance on piracy by the GDI both necessary and intuitive.]
2. The Panama and Suez Canals are in hostile countries. That'll present all sorts of problems, even if we have friendly troops in control of them (i.e. not giving the Panama Canal back, despite Carter's promise, etc).
[That was no accident, either. We have at least a minor engagement ahead of us every time we change theaters.]
Uranium235 wrote:[Woah, what's up with North Korea?]
[The DPRK is nonexistent. The entire peninsula has been unified under the Republic of Korea since WWIII.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 05:44pm
by Civil War Man
Excellent. Just one more question and I'll be able to post a full and cleaned up bio of Captain Langarek: What country is considered the de-facto head of the enemy alliance?
Posted: 2006-07-14 05:51pm
by Darth Raptor
Civil War Man wrote:Excellent. Just one more question and I'll be able to post a full and cleaned up bio of Captain Langarek: What country is considered the de-facto head of the enemy alliance?
[The red countries aren't united by anything other than their common enemy (the GDI). Essentially, there's three or four major organizations we have to contend with. I'll declassify those files momentarily. Major players include (by region): Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. The African and Eastern European countries are just as busy fighting each other as they are fighting us.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 07:01pm
by Surlethe
[Why is Indonesia against us? In RL, isn't it tentatively friendly?]
Posted: 2006-07-14 07:13pm
by Pcm979
[May I suggest that a 'clean' thread be started, where only finalised information is placed? There's lots of useful stuff such as the backstory, rosters etc which are pretty much buried in here.]
Posted: 2006-07-14 07:38pm
by Uraniun235
[Honestly, I think the
best solution would be a Wiki for all of this data. Then people could edit their own ships and character profiles at will, multiple people could be given rights to edit the master list, and so on.
...anyone got a spare webserver lying around?

]
Posted: 2006-07-14 07:42pm
by Duckie
[The Balkans are just mutually suspicious about GDI, right?
Because as far as I can tell you'd be hard pressed to get the non-Slovenian Former Yugoslav countries to agree on the color of the sky, unless it were related to hating the EU. Throwing in Hungary and Romania and Bulgaria and Albania with all their ethnicity-related squabbling with and without the Adriatic Coast states thrown in makes it even worse.
Belarus and Russia had a falling out? Did Latvia drop out of NATO? Ukraine must have elected Hardline instead of Democracy. Orange Revolution, Shmevolution...]
Posted: 2006-07-14 08:05pm
by Tasoth
((A full battalion? Damn, going to take me a while to set that OOB up. I should have some spare time around sunday, maybe have it up that night/monday afternoon. Is this light infantry, heavy infantry? I'll need help too since I really don't know the specifics to what is attached to a bridage. I know they get armor, artillery, probably some form of UAV and snipers, but how many and what type I'm completely befuddled on. If you want to help, shoot me a PM with info.))
Posted: 2006-07-14 11:23pm
by Civil War Man
MRDOD wrote:[The Balkans are just mutually suspicious about GDI, right?
That seems to be the gist. Seems the red is used to symbolize countries that are either actively opposing us or too wrapped up in their own troubles to be any help. Either way, presumably unfriendly.
Belarus and Russia had a falling out? Did Latvia drop out of NATO? Ukraine must have elected Hardline instead of Democracy. Orange Revolution, Shmevolution...]
It's an AU, so I guess the answers to those questions would be yes, yes, and um, yes.
