Sci Fi power ranking

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-15 09:41am

Aeolus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No wait, fuck, I mean 2159.
doesnt the entire series take place on Earth and around the O'Neil colonys?

Yeah, the series generally don't go outside the orbit of the Moon.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2005-04-15 12:27pm

Batman wrote:If I may at this late date, I'd like to adress the absence of the Perryverse from this thread.
1) Few enough of us around here know it in the first place.
2) It's the next best thing to impossible to place. While most universes either have a few easily recognized primary players, the Perryverse is speckled with factions that range from 'may be beaten by modern-day Earth' to 'will likely eat the Culture for breakfast'. So its not all that easy to rank.
3) A lot of other universes either cover a rather limited timespan or are somewhat static where technology is converned. The Perryverse is neither. The technological capabilities of a lot of the involved parties (especially the Terrans) see-saw like nobody's business. What, pray tell, do you go by?
4) The Perryverse depends on Technobabble to an extent that makes Trek seem rational. It's saving grace (if any) is that it's technobabble is happily ouside modern science's purview in any way shape or form so the Trek problem of 'Err-that doesn't actually work' doesn't apply, but it DOES make it very hard to ascertain wether or not PR technology works on other universes'.

Most forces in SF could defeat the Terrans in the current cycle, they are pretty low level now after the Cosmocrats changed the law of nature.
The FTL speeds of Terran ships are down to a pathetic maximum of 1000k times the speed of light for example or capital ships have less firepower than battlerobots before the change.
On the other hand the Servants of the High Powers are quite powerful.

PR-verse technobabble is at least consistent(most of the time

).

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2005-04-15 01:24pm

Nephtys wrote:I think the purpose of this thread was to list popular or at least semi-popular published universes/groups from television and books. So we probably ought to keep fanstuff out. Else, who knows what'd be there?

On sd.net it's generally taken as read that fanfics aren't in the running for whatever-est of the day. Keeping things confined to published fiction means there will be at least some sort of quality control.

If fan-fiction is universally allowed, vs. threads turn into a childish game of who can think of the biggest thing:
"In my fan-fic the Gotch-qrenn have ships twelve light hours across, built of quantum entangled buckyball neutronium AI mesh! They can cross the known universe in two minutes, but they don't need to because their weapons can turn all the mass in a galaxy into energy from 8 billion light-years!"
"In MINE the Tivans have ships with Continuous Creation drives that cause a big bang and annihilate a universe every second for their power source... in first gear!!"
"Well, the Xernian Thol have multiversal arrays for their DNA, and everytime one masturbates 10^10^10^670 people die!1one"

speaker-to-trolls · Post by **speaker-to-trolls** » 2005-04-15 01:31pm

The Martians from War of the Worlds should be somewhere near the bottom, maybe inbetween the Draka and the Race.
I would think the Timelords belong just below the Xeelee, but I'm not an expert on Doctor Who by any means.

Also, what's this 'hominid Phylum' that's been mentioned?, I did a few searches but couldn't find any sites which talked about it.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-04-15 02:25pm

Sriad wrote:
Nephtys wrote:I think the purpose of this thread was to list popular or at least semi-popular published universes/groups from television and books. So we probably ought to keep fanstuff out. Else, who knows what'd be there?
On sd.net it's generally taken as read that fanfics aren't in the running for whatever-est of the day. Keeping things confined to published fiction means there will be at least some sort of quality control.

If fan-fiction is universally allowed, vs. threads turn into a childish game of who can think of the biggest thing:
"In my fan-fic the Gotch-qrenn have ships twelve light hours across, built of quantum entangled buckyball neutronium AI mesh! They can cross the known universe in two minutes, but they don't need to because their weapons can turn all the mass in a galaxy into energy from 8 billion light-years!"
"In MINE the Tivans have ships with Continuous Creation drives that cause a big bang and annihilate a universe every second for their power source... in first gear!!"
"Well, the Xernian Thol have multiversal arrays for their DNA, and everytime one masturbates 10^10^10^670 people die!1one"

Yes i figured as such. Makes perfect sense.

I guess, we could like 'vote' on weather or not a submitting fanfic verse is applicable. Like if it sounds like pure nonsense then nay, if it sounds interesting then yay. But that'd be rather overly complicated.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-04-15 02:26pm

It should just remain for published and popular sci-fi. The STGODs alone would bloat the list ridiculously.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2005-04-15 03:17pm

It should just remain for published and popular sci-fi. The STGODs alone would bloat the list ridiculously

I second that, we still don't the Systems commonweatlh of the current andrmoeda show on it.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-04-15 03:27pm

starfury wrote:
It should just remain for published and popular sci-fi. The STGODs alone would bloat the list ridiculously
I second that, we still don't the Systems commonweatlh of the current andrmoeda show on it.

Or 4th Empire, or Honorverse or Skylark or Time Lords...

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-04-16 09:19am

I am probably going to get a lecture for saying this but were would startrek’s Q go.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-04-16 01:30pm

Glimmervoid wrote:I am probably going to get a lecture for saying this but were would startrek’s Q go.

Not as high as Trekkies would want; somewhere nebulously between the Galactic Empires and the Culture.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-04-16 04:29pm

Sriad wrote:If fan-fiction is universally allowed, vs. threads turn into a childish game of who can think of the biggest thing:
"In my fan-fic the Gotch-qrenn have ships twelve light hours across, built of quantum entangled buckyball neutronium AI mesh! They can cross the known universe in two minutes, but they don't need to because their weapons can turn all the mass in a galaxy into energy from 8 billion light-years!"

For what it's worth, if you put my universe in there it'd be close to the bottom, most powers going somewhere between the Earth Alliance and the Federation. Except for the Engineers, who are basically like the OA hyperturings minus all the nanotech wanking.

speaker-to-trolls wrote:Also, what's this 'hominid Phylum' that's been mentioned?, I did a few searches but couldn't find any sites which talked about it.

They're from David Brin's book Glory Season. The book doesn't give terribly much info on them, but this is what I managed to get out of it.
They're more of a loose military and political alliance than a true empire. The number of worlds they control is unstated, but seems to be at least in the hundreds, probably thousands. Most of their ships are so slow they take centuries to get from one star to another, although they do have some faster vessels in smaller numbers (either FTL or maybe very fast relativistic travel).
Their military capacity is never described, although we do hear a little about what their enemies are capable of so this could be used to set up a benchmark. When the Enemy invaded Stratos they came in a ship "the size of an asteroid" (so ISD sized at least). They had weapons capable of partially melting the crust of the planet over a very localized area. Also it was mentioned this ship had already been severely damaged in a previous battle, so it was basically a limping wreck. A fresh invasion force would probably have beaten the Stratoins like red-headed stepchildren (in a war between Stratos and modern Earth it'd be a close call, put it that way).

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-04-16 04:37pm

SirNitram wrote:
Glimmervoid wrote:I am probably going to get a lecture for saying this but were would startrek’s Q go.
Not as high as Trekkies would want; somewhere nebulously between the Galactic Empires and the Culture.

I wouldnt put Q too high though, maybe near the GE but not up near the Culture.

Mainly cause i hear some claptrap about Q weapons causing supernovas, plus he can do some weird stuff with matter.

The Culture can do the same stuff a Q can (screw with matter/energy, teleport, create supernovas) but look better doing it, not to mention dont get clocked by Starfleet captains, so not that high.

I'd say it's like Culture>>>>Galactic Empire>Q>the other dudes.

speaker-to-trolls · Post by **speaker-to-trolls** » 2005-04-16 04:53pm

I would also put the Futuramaverse races somewhere around the Cultures level, for such reasons as Leela describing blowing up planets for fun as a "mundane activity", and the Omicronians threatening to "raise your planet's temperature by one million degrees a day. For five days".

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2005-04-16 04:58pm

speaker-to-trolls wrote:I would also put the Futuramaverse races somewhere around the Cultures level, for such reasons as Leela describing blowing up planets for fun as a "mundane activity", and the Omicronians threatening to "raise your planet's temperature by one million degrees a day. For five days".

Not to mention intergalactic FTL and the ability to tow entire suns into new positions (and then blow them up)

Vanas · Post by **Vanas** » 2005-04-16 05:38pm

The Jupiter Mining Corporation from Red Dwarf should be nailed to the top spot, I just realised.

The Red Dwarf managed to break the light barrier under (three million years of) pure accelleration. Which means that it has in infinitely powerful powersource, no?

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-04-16 05:41pm

Vanas wrote:The Jupiter Mining Corporation from Red Dwarf should be nailed to the top spot, I just realised.

The Red Dwarf managed to break the light barrier under (three million years of) pure accelleration. Which means that it has in infinitely powerful powersource, no?

Well there is no denying the maths.

Grasscutter · Post by **Grasscutter** » 2005-04-18 10:40am

Just a quick bump for the list. I've only changed and added the stuff I know about (Macross, Gundam and Futurama) so if I haven't added or shuffled something that should, please feel free to.

Xeelee & Exession Builders
the Culture
===> Futurama Universe
Xeeleverse humans
Golden Age Necrons
Arisians
Eddorians
the Foundation
Civilization
Boskone
Necrons, 41st millennium
the Galactic Empire (Foundation)
the Galactic Empire (Star Wars)
Farscape Ancients
SG1 Ancients (at their height)
Imperium of Man (WH40K)
Tyrannids
Orks - maximum(WH40K)
. Scarrans
Peacekeepers
. Concordiat
. Sephirotic metaempire (Orion's Arm)
. Republic of Man (Resnick's universe)
. Terran Confederation (Wing Commander)
. Kilrathi
. Hominid Phylum
Imperium (Dune universe)
Eldar - minimum
Vorlons & Shadows
Orks ?(WH40K)
Tau
Borg
The Protoculture (Macross)
Marduk (Macross II)
Zentraedi/Meltrandi (Macross)
Terran Federation (SST book)
Bugs (SST book)
Zentraedi (Robotech)
Goa'uld
Dominion
Tar Aiym (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
. Starfire universe
. Humanx Commonwealth (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
. Puppeteers
. Covenant
Dark Eldar
. Haloverse humans
Wraiths (SG:A)
Federation (Trek)
Romulans
Klingons
. Known Space humans
. Kziniti (with FTL)
Cardassians
UN Spacy (Macross)
Minbari
League of Nobles (Dune prequel novels)
Synchronized Worlds (Dune prequel novels)
. Fifty Spacer Worlds (Foundationverse)
Centauri
Earth Alliance (B5)
Narn
RDF/REF (Robotech)
Protoss & Zerg
Starcraft Terrans
. Terran Federation (SST movie)
Cylons
Twelve Colonies (Galactica)
The Star League (BattleTech)
The Clans (BattleTech)
Inner Sphere (BattleTech)
. The Alien universe
. ID4 aliens
Gundam Wing Universe
ZAFT (Gundam SEED)
Alliance (Gundam SEED)
Federation (Gundam)
Zeon (Gundam)
. The Race
. Draka (as of 2004)
. modern Earth