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Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Anyways... magnitude 10 earthquake? What kind of energy is that?

Okay, I went and looked it up, and according to this , and if I did the equation right, that's 4.37*10^19 joules, or 10.5 gigatons...

Chris OFarrell wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:IMPERATOR-CLASS IS CANON.

And there was much rejoicing.

For the record, its only the name of the ship in between Episode II and the end of episode III. It gets changed to Imperial Class BY CANON after the purge

Well, still, it existed. That's good enough for me.

Man, even without firepower measurements, this book is fucking awesome.

Agreed. Even though these screenshots are pretty decent, I'm going to buy the book anyway for an easy reference. I should probably get the OT and AotC ICS's as well.

Additionally, the ICS above has images specifying that the atmospheric containment/air traffic control shield over the bay was destroyed, and the primary shields were already down.

Yeah, it makes alot more sense now. According to the book it was getting hammered pretty hard by ARC-170s, the four cruisers, and probably a bunch of other ships.

RSS? We know the prefix stylization now. Republic Star Ship.

Guess its HIMSS (His Imperial Majesty's Star Ship) now.

Or ISS. Although HIMSS has a better sound to it.

He must have been pretty young to have commanded a ship then. He doesn't look like he's reached 50 yet in ESB.

That's what I thought. It probably would have made more sense to have given Piett or Ozzel a cameo, if anyone. Although the book does note that he's young looking.

Chris OFarrell wrote: For the record, its only the name of the ship in between Episode II and the end of episode III. It gets changed to Imperial Class BY CANON after the purge

Erm ... no, it gets changed sometime in between Episode III and Episode IV.

And anyway ... BAH! It's original name is Imperator-class, that's what I'm going to call it, politicized, un ... Republican ... name changing that it is!

(in truth, this was the best rationalists could hope for in terms of excising the moronic Imperial-class from the literature- giving Imperator-class some legitimacy of its own- remember the OT ICS says Imperial-class).

The only RL example of changing a class name that comes to mind at the moment is the Permit/Thresher class. The difference is that it was more the result of a fatal accident destroying the first of the class.

Despite that, Imperator/Imperial (I/I) class, anyone?

Imperator fits much better with the names of Kuat's other ship classes. Acclamator, Venator, Procurator, Dominator, Mandator, Praetor, Tector, Executor. How would a name Imperial fit in with that bunch? I'll continue to call them Imperators, thank you.

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:According to my Latin dictionary, "tector" means "a plasterer"... am I missing something here?

Try googling the search phrase "roman cavalry tector", and you might find a site indicating that "Tector" is a roman cavalry trooper with a large shield.

I really enjoy the evolution of the Star Destroyer. The basic design is obviously quite good and the steady elimination of its flaws and the increasing size and power of the designs "feels" natural.

And we can now call the Imperial the Imperator and no one can say boo about it. There was much rejoicing!

I think Doctor Saxon has definitely come through for us once again.

Darth Wong wrote:Try googling the search phrase "roman cavalry tector", and you might find a site indicating that "Tector" is a roman cavalry trooper with a large shield.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense, with the having a hullplate "shield" instead of a vulnerable hangar... thanks much.

gladius wrote:Imperator fits much better with the names of Kuat's other ship classes. Acclamator, Venator, Procurator, Dominator, Mandator, Praetor, Tector, Executor. How would a name Imperial fit in with that bunch? I'll continue to call them Imperators, thank you.

Don't forget:
1) SoD: These names are all translated from Basic, and we don't know whether they'd rhyme so well in the original.
2) Non-SoD: Saxton made most of these. In this, he defined Kuat's standard.

SoD: Even so, they would remain a particular kind of noun, and considering the use of sometimes archaic Latin, probably particular classes of "actor" nouns in a classical language, perhaps Old Galactic Standard.

I'm surprised Quaestor was used as a Star Battlecruiser name.

Lictor would've been a good alternate choice, as would Censor.

Lictor is already the name of a typ of prison ship.
Censor... sounds more like a eltronic warfare vessel, for blocking communications and sensors.

Chris OFarrell wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:IMPERATOR-CLASS IS CANON.

And there was much rejoicing.

For the record, its only the name of the ship in between Episode II and the end of episode III. It gets changed to Imperial Class BY CANON after the purge

And if the Mandel blueprints (if they are to be believed and if they in fact carry any weight) suggest that the "Imperator" title got shifted to a 700-meter long cheesewedge.

Connor MacLeod wrote: And if the Mandel blueprints (if they are to be believed and if they in fact carry any weight) suggest that the "Imperator" title got shifted to a 700-meter long cheesewedge.

The Mandel blueprints are just that- blueprints. We don't have any chronological evidence to indicate that the name got shifted anywhere- they could just as easily have been a draft for the ISD before it was scaled up, if we want to be super inclusive of evidence.

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote: And if the Mandel blueprints (if they are to be believed and if they in fact carry any weight) suggest that the "Imperator" title got shifted to a 700-meter long cheesewedge.

The Mandel blueprints are just that- blueprints. We don't have any chronological evidence to indicate that the name got shifted anywhere- they could just as easily have been a draft for the ISD before it was scaled up, if we want to be super inclusive of evidence.

V, you've seen the SG1 season 5 episode 'Wormhole Extreme' right?

I get the fealing the KDY designers went to the Supreme Chancellor with the Imperator plans. He took one look at them and just said 'Bigger'.

So they come back with the ISD plans.

'Bigger!'

So they come back with the Alleigence plans.

'No no, MUCH bigger'

So they come back with the Executor plans.

'READ MY LIPS! BIGGER!'

So they just stole the Death Star plans from the CIS

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote: And if the Mandel blueprints (if they are to be believed and if they in fact carry any weight) suggest that the "Imperator" title got shifted to a 700-meter long cheesewedge.

The Mandel blueprints are just that- blueprints. We don't have any chronological evidence to indicate that the name got shifted anywhere- they could just as easily have been a draft for the ISD before it was scaled up, if we want to be super inclusive of evidence.

ACtually the Blueprints suggest it was comissioned and constructed (they say it was comissioned by Palpatine, and constrructed at Gyndine. We have no reason to believe it was "scaled up" (particualrily since the vessels armament, engines and whatnot do not even correspond to what is known of the mile long ISD.)

Chris OFarrell wrote: V, you've seen the SG1 season 5 episode 'Wormhole Extreme' right?

ROFL. Yeah- a classic. My favorite part-

Teal'c: LEAVE US!!!! (To the two crewmen hanging around their conversation)

I get the fealing the KDY designers went to the Supreme Chancellor with the Imperator plans. He took one look at them and just said 'Bigger'.

So they come back with the ISD plans.

'Bigger!'

So they come back with the Alleigence plans.

'No no, MUCH bigger'

So they come back with the Executor plans.

'READ MY LIPS! BIGGER!'

So they just stole the Death Star plans from the CIS

I take it that was taking the piss out of the situation the VFX guys were in for constantly having to make explosions for staff blasts, Alkesh bombs, staff cannons, plastic explosives, etc etc ad infinitum.

Interesting that the droid gunship missiles have a 10,000 gee acceleration.

Vympel wrote: (in truth, this was the best rationalists could hope for in terms of excising the moronic Imperial-class from the literature- giving Imperator-class some legitimacy of its own- remember the OT ICS says Imperial-class).

More or less. You at least get your chance to refer to it as Imperator class (even though its only appropriate in KDY/Pre-Empire times.).

Frankly though I think "Imperator" would have been better suited for other battleships ( so would Praetoer.) I'd like to see lots of different battleship classes in the Empire's service fufilling all sorts of roles.

It would have made more sense to name ISDs after say, planetary systems. These things are supposed to be numerous and common, after all, and that better reflects that nature. (Look at how naval naming conventions have gone. For example, IIRC in the US battleships were named after states. cruisers named after cities. Destroyers after great naval leaders or heroes, etc.)

Connor MacLeod wrote: Frankly though I think "Imperator" would have been better suited for other battleships ( so would Praetoer.) I'd like to see lots of different battleship classes in the Empire's service fufilling all sorts of roles.

Praetor was used for a Star Battleship or Star Battlecruiser in the OT ITW IIRC.

Interesting that the droid gunship missiles have a 10,000 gee acceleration.

Well if your “average” arc “superbomber” goes cruising around at some 2000+ g and jedi fighters with 5000+ g, and you yourself can only go 100 g, you better have some really fast going weapons to actually hit them with.

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote: Frankly though I think "Imperator" would have been better suited for other battleships ( so would Praetoer.) I'd like to see lots of different battleship classes in the Empire's service fufilling all sorts of roles.

Praetor was used for a Star Battleship or Star Battlecruiser in the OT ITW IIRC.

Battlecruiser. Which (sorta) works, but battlecruisers are still rather more common than battleships. Battlecruisers were generally either really big cruisers or scaled-down battleships (the so called "pocket battleships" for example.)

Besides, "Praetor" and "Imperator" conjure up some very majestic imagery... weren't we trying to get away from the idea that ISD's are super-important "battlewagons"

Oh well. You get your "Imperator" class at last. But if it were me, I'd much rather have my specific statistics.

Which reminds me. Clone Sergeant, who was the editor for this book?

And were there any credits mentioned at the back? I wonder if they changed editors or something and that person is to blame for the lack of stats.

On the Venator:

"Ventral docking bay (on initiative of General Skywalker, some Venator-class ships feature additional SPHA-T laser cannons here to increase ventral firepower."

Wanna guess what that is supposed to mean, Vympel?