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why does only Freresque have a map? :v

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hrm... yeah. If Stas' Russia connects to Khitan on the East, we can have a sort of... well, Mongols versus Russians!

We need to figure out how the Khitanese are connected, via waterway, to the rest of the Old Continent. Since Murderous von Schrom did take on Khitanese raiders.

We could have Khitan where Scandinavia is.

Czechmate wrote:why does only Freresque have a map? :v

Siegetank made the great map of Frequesue, which was adapted as the official map of War Torn Australia.

edit: slight grammatical error.

Hm. Why not just draw new maps for the other continents? new game, new borders?

Czechmate wrote:Hm. Why not just draw new maps for the other continents? new game, new borders?

I think many of them are reusing their maps, though some are creating new ones.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: and some of the other STGOD: SDN World threads lying around.

Those should be read, the main ones at least, if only for their story value. I'm at the Zablainian Killbot Revolution, it is all great fun.

Karmic Knight wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: and some of the other STGOD: SDN World threads lying around.

Those should be read, the main ones at least, if only for their story value. I'm at the Zablainian Killbot Revolution, it is all great fun.

This makes me want to read through them myself. Ah the memories.

Skimmer would be on the "New" Continent, since he is bordering Shepistan.

I think I will put Westchester in Freresque somewhere.

Lonestar wrote:Skimmer would be on the "New" Continent, since he is bordering Shepistan.

He is?

Czechmate wrote:I think I will put Westchester in Freresque somewhere.

Step right up and pick a shit hole.



Your Choices are the Pale Country Bordering Me, the Green countries bordering myself and Raj, the dark green very large country to the East of Siege, the delta, one of Coiler's neighbours, or the pinkish one bordering the lakes, I think.

Karmic Knight wrote:

Lonestar wrote:Skimmer would be on the "New" Continent, since he is bordering Shepistan.

He is?

He is.

(actually, there's an Afghanistanlike NPC country in between the two)

Lonestar wrote:Skimmer would be on the "New" Continent, since he is bordering Shepistan.

No I’m on the old continent; the new continent is too small and I never wanted to actually boarder Shepistan, I was hoping it would be a big place and an NPC nation and some player states would go between us.

Alrighty fine, I was wrong

I'll take the delta.

Minor note for the "Fourth" continent the working idea, and myself Rouge et al are refining it, is that it would look vaguely like North America with myslef and Rouge splitting the majority of the territory (the actual landmass would be noticeably smaller than the actual North America) and everyone else taking small chunks (I believe the working theory has Steve with Florida and the gulf coast). So neither myself nor Rouge will have maps like last time nor will we be islands but rather the largest players on a continent detached from everyone else expect for a few smaller nations.

CmdrWilkens wrote:Minor note for the "Fourth" continent the working idea, and myself Rouge et al are refining it, is that it would look vaguely like North America with myslef and Rouge splitting the majority of the territory (the actual landmass would be noticeably smaller than the actual North America) and everyone else taking small chunks (I believe the working theory has Steve with Florida and the gulf coast). So neither myself nor Rouge will have maps like last time nor will we be islands but rather the largest players on a continent detached from everyone else expect for a few smaller nations.

If that's the case then can I have the Alaska-Yukon-BC territory that my map is based off of?

CmdrWilkens wrote:Minor note for the "Fourth" continent the working idea, and myself Rouge et al are refining it, is that it would look vaguely like North America with myslef and Rouge splitting the majority of the territory (the actual landmass would be noticeably smaller than the actual North America) and everyone else taking small chunks (I believe the working theory has Steve with Florida and the gulf coast). So neither myself nor Rouge will have maps like last time nor will we be islands but rather the largest players on a continent detached from everyone else expect for a few smaller nations.

Second note: I'm still there too. Similarly, I won't have a map that looks anything like my map from last time.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Lonestar wrote:Skimmer would be on the "New" Continent, since he is bordering Shepistan.

No I’m on the old continent; the new continent is too small and I never wanted to actually boarder Shepistan, I was hoping it would be a big place and an NPC nation and some player states would go between us.

Oh no.



How "Old Continent" do you want to be? Would Japistan be "on the other side" of the Old Continent, sort of like how Asia is the other half of the Eurasian landmass?

Like, with Stas' "Russia" connecting the Old Continent's "Europe" to Japistan + Khitan + etc's "Asia"?

Maybe we can have a bunch of NPC nations between us, and we could all go like "proxy states!" "Eastern Europe! "missile defense shield!" "FUN expansion!" "Co-Prosperity Sphere" and have all sorts of dickery exchanged between the FUN alliance and the Japistan imperium, plus its allies.

History with Japistan would be fun. Marco Shroomo discovers the Silk Road, and ventures into the wonderous Orient! The sights of Japistan! Silk and porcelain... and opium!

Today, the Silk Road shall be where Japistan shall trade its opium for mail-order whores from the former Shadow Empire.

Much FUN is had by all!


EDIT:

If Old Continent + Japanistan/etc. = Eurasia...

Then maybe Shepistan + Old Dominion can be... like India and Pakistan... BUT IN AUSTRALIA! A continent/landmass to itself, but divided between Shep and Lonestar.

Maybe we can put a South East Asian archipelago chain between the Old Continent Eurasian landmass and Shep/Loinstar's IndiAustraliaStan.

Don't we have a bunch of Duchies going for small island nations as well?

EDIT:

If no one likes to envision the Shepistan/Old Dominion DMZ as a wasted arid wasteland, with minefields and dingos and emus, then maybe Shep and Loiny's land could be like...

An Evil Greenland.

*cackles*

Wilkonia OOB is up if anybody cares and Beo my apologies I forgot. Marius you may be able to snatch up Alaska as I don't think anyone else has claimed that but I don't want to say that definatively until everybody else who jumped on the continent first gets to declare. Right now myself Rouge and Beowulf still have to dice up the majority of the territory (2 million km^2 roughly) with Steve and Yenchin taking chunks as well.

Give yourselves some shitholes to make things interesting!

(Like the US Midwest.)

Rough Shepistani OOB:

Shepistan Basic Stats:

Population 170.00 Million

Population Pyramid Type Sierra Leone 1985

0 to 5 Years of Age 16.46% percent
5 to 19 Years of Age 34.78% percent
20 to 44 Years of Age 32.01% percent
45 to 64 Years of Age 10.99% percent
65 and Over Years of Age 5.76% percent

Per Capita Income $4,000 Dollars

Monthly Cost of Living for Status 0 Char in GURPS $223.61 Dollars

Total GDP (Billion) $680.00 Billion

Are Women Allowed in Armed Forces? FALSE
Are Induction Standards Stringent (Malnutrition, Health, etc) FALSE
Are Child Soldiers Used Heavily? FALSE
Are Older People Conscripted? FALSE

Total Manpower Available 24,735,000 troops
Total Yearly Draft Cohort (all ages) 816,255 troops

Percentage of GDP Spent on Military 10.00% percent
Military Budget $68 billion
Corruption in your Country 10% percent
Actual Budget Available $61.2 billion

Budget Slice for Ground Forces 48% ($29.38 billion)
Budget Slice for Air Force 46% ($28.15 billion)
Budget Slice for Naval Forces 6% ($3.67 billion)

Ground Forces

Ground Forces Total Budget: $29.38 billion
Ground Forces Yearly Procurement Budget: $1.47 billion
Ground Forces Yearly R&DTE Budget: $1.47 Billion
Ground Forces Military Pay: $2.36 Billion
Ground Forces O&M Costs: $16.07 billion
Ground Forces Infrastructure Costs: $11.25 billion
Ground Forces Budget: $3.24 billion deficit

Shepistani Army
Programmed Size 450,000
Relative Pay Scales: Conscript (1960s US)
Rank Pyramid: US Army (FY2007)
Division Slice Ratio UK (WW2)

O-10 9 slots $1,153.70
O-9 45 slots $1,015.37
O-8 78 slots $813.40
O-7 132 slots $711.03
O-6 3,477 slots $583.77
O-5 7,875 slots $498.00
O-4 13,229 slots $437.13
O-3 21,795 slots $381.80
O-2 5,889 slots $293.27
O-1 8,375 slots $232.40
W-5 387 slots $539.50
W-4 2,038 slots $398.40
W-3 2,884 slots $351.37
W-2 3,855 slots $309.87
W-1 2,768 slots $282.20
E-9 3,012 slots $193.33
E-8 9,844 slots $158.67
E-7 33,576 slots $130.67
E-6 52,433 slots $106.67
E-5 69,842 slots $92.00
E-4 102,083 slots $74.67
E-3 54,750 slots $62.67
E-2 29,520 slots $53.33
E-1 18,293 slots $44.00
Cadets 3,798

4 x Armored Divisions (MBTS and IFVs)
4 x Mechanized Divisions (M113s etc)
2 x Light Infantry Divisions (Mountain Corps)

Rough Active Duty Strength:
1,392 Tanks, 888 IFVs, 1,480 APCs

Shepistani Army Reserves
Programmed Size 750,000
Relative Pay Scales: Conscript (1960s US)
Rank Pyramid: US Army (FY2007)
Division Slice Ratio Germany/USSR (WW2)

O-10 21 slots $141.10
O-9 71 slots $124.50
O-8 152 slots $102.37
O-7 243 slots $88.53
O-6 6,124 slots $71.93
O-5 15,041 slots $63.63
O-4 24,009 slots $55.33
O-3 38,357 slots $49.80
O-2 12,735 slots $38.73
O-1 14,150 slots $30.43
W-5 324 slots $63.63
W-4 1,569 slots $47.03
W-3 2,527 slots $41.50
W-2 3,119 slots $38.73
W-1 1,872 slots $33.20
E-9 5,777 slots $22.67
E-8 14,871 slots $20.00
E-7 52,778 slots $16.00
E-6 91,535 slots $13.33
E-5 134,520 slots $12.00
E-4 141,382 slots $9.33
E-3 104,648 slots $8.00
E-2 43,458 slots $6.67
E-1 33,533 slots $6.00

4 x Mechanized Divisions
40 x Infantry Divisions (basically humvees+trucks)

Rough Active Duty Strength:
1,480 APCs.

NOTE: Out of this, only the four Mechanized Divisions and about 10-12 of the Infantry Divisions are considered fully combat capable, due to budgetary shortfalls. The other 30~ Infantry divisions are understrength or underfunded, and considered only good for static line defense.

Special Security Republican Guard (SSRG)
Programmed Size 265,000
Relative Pay Scales All-Volunteer (2000+ US)
Rank Pyramid US Army (FY2007)
Division Slice Ratio US (WW2)

O-10 5 slots $1,390.00
O-9 26 slots $1,223.33
O-8 46 slots $980.00
O-7 78 slots $856.67
O-6 2,047 slots $703.33
O-5 4,637 slots $600.00
O-4 7,790 slots $526.67
O-3 12,835 slots $460.00
O-2 3,468 slots $353.33
O-1 4,932 slots $280.00
W-5 227 slots $650.00
W-4 1,200 slots $480.00
W-3 1,698 slots $423.33
W-2 2,270 slots $373.33
W-1 1,630 slots $340.00
E-9 1,774 slots $483.33
E-8 5,797 slots $396.67
E-7 19,772 slots $326.67
E-6 30,877 slots $266.67
E-5 41,129 slots $230.00
E-4 60,116 slots $186.67
E-3 32,241 slots $156.67
E-2 17,384 slots $133.33
E-1 10,772 slots $110.00

4 x Armored Divisions

Rough Strength:
1,392 Tanks, 888 IFVs.

NOTE: The SSRG is the Regime's elite unit. Paid well; given exemplary support. Used to put down rebellions etc.

Air Forces

Air Forces Total Budget: $28.15 billion
Air Forces Yearly Procurement Budget: $2.11 billion
Air Forces Yearly R&DTE Budget: $2.11 Billion
Air Forces Military Pay: $3.9 Billion
Air Forces O&M Costs: $11.74 billion
Air Forces Infrastructure Costs: $8.22 billion
Air Forces Budget: $78 million surplus

Shepistani Air Force
Programmed Size 600,000

O-10 25 $1,390.00
O-9 57 $1,223.33
O-8 174 $980.00
O-7 257 $856.67
O-6 6,127 $703.33
O-5 17,883 $600.00
O-4 26,695 $526.67
O-3 40,629 $460.00
O-2 13,774 $353.33
O-1 12,617 $280.00
W-5 0 $650.00
W-4 0 $480.00
W-3 0 $423.33
W-2 0 $373.33
W-1 0 $340.00
E-9 4,875 $483.33
E-8 9,342 $396.67
E-7 47,385 $326.67
E-6 78,217 $266.67
E-5 124,591 $230.00
E-4 95,717 $186.67
E-3 84,100 $156.67
E-2 11,451 $133.33
E-1 18,158 $110.00

Strategic Air Command
10 x Bombardment Groups with 45 B-56G Stratojets each (450 aircraft)
5 x Reconnaisance Groups with 45 RB-56H Stratojets each (225 aircraft)
2 x Parasite Groups with 45 x DB-56J Stratojets each (90 aircraft)
10 x Refuelling Groups with 30 x KC-22 Antonovs each (300 aircraft)

1,065 aircraft; 151,389 personnel assigned to SAC.

Tactical Air Command
4 x Strike Fighter Groups with 72 F-105L Thunderchiefs each (288 aircraft)
3 x Fighter Groups with 72 x F-100P Super Sabres each (216 aircraft) -- COIN
6 x Strategic Fighter Groups with 72 x F-101K Voodoos each (432 aircraft)

936 aircraft; 39,890 personnel assigned to TAC.

Air Defense Command
7 x Interceptor Groups with 72 x F-106J Super Daggers each (504 aircraft)
1 x Interceptor Group with 72 x F-104K Starfighters each (72 aircraft) -- being retired to Reserves.
15 x Missile Interceptor Squadrons with 160 x Super BOMARCs each (2,400 missiles)

576 aircraft, 2,400 SAMs, 205,000 personnel assigned to ADC.

Shepistani Air Force Reserves
Programmed Size 120,000

O-10 5 $170.00
O-9 11 $150.00
O-8 34 $123.33
O-7 51 $106.67
O-6 1,225 $86.67
O-5 3,576 $76.67
O-4 5,339 $66.67
O-3 8,125 $60.00
O-2 2,754 $46.67
O-1 2,523 $36.67
W-5 0 $76.67
W-4 0 $56.67
W-3 0 $50.00
W-2 0 $46.67
W-1 0 $40.00
E-9 975 $56.67
E-8 1,868 $50.00
E-7 9,477 $40.00
E-6 15,643 $33.33
E-5 24,918 $30.00
E-4 19,143 $23.33
E-3 16,820 $20.00
E-2 2,290 $16.67
E-1 3,631 $15.00

4 x Reserve Fighter Groups with 72 x MiG-15 Each (288 aircraft)
8 x Reserve Fighter Groups with 72 x F-84P Each (576 aircraft)
5 x Reserve Interceptor Groups with 72 x F-104K Each (360 aircraft)

1,224 aircraft assigned to Reserves, and 95,319 personnel.

Total Shepistani Air Force + Reserves: 3,801 aircraft

Naval Forces

Programmed Size 65,000
Navy Total Budget: $3.67 billion
Navy Yearly Procurement Budget: $753 million
Navy Yearly R&DTE Budget: $753 million
Navy Military Pay: $195 million
Navy O&M Costs: $1.16 billion
Navy Infrastructure Costs: $809 million
Navy Budget: $7.53 million surplus

O-10 2 $1,390.00
O-9 6 $1,223.33
O-8 13 $980.00
O-7 21 $856.67
O-6 602 $703.33
O-5 1,297 $600.00
O-4 1,992 $526.67
O-3 3,289 $460.00
O-2 1,154 $353.33
O-1 1,211 $280.00
W-5 11 $650.00
W-4 48 $480.00
W-3 146 $423.33
W-2 97 $373.33
W-1 0 $340.00
E-9 550 $483.33
E-8 1,371 $396.67
E-7 4,566 $326.67
E-6 9,637 $266.67
E-5 13,382 $230.00
E-4 10,082 $186.67
E-3 8,340 $156.67
E-2 3,526 $133.33
E-1 2,800 $110.00

8 x Kidd Class DDGs (Analogue)
15 x Kilo SSKs (Analogue)
1 x Halibut SSGN (analogue) - experimental powerplant, etc etc. Just entered service a month or two ago; still shaking down.

Exactly why did you bar Women from Military Service there shep? Even if you don't want them to be Footsloggers or Artillery Crews, they can operate Vehicles, Aircraft and Ships just as well as men. Is shepistan a Islamist Fundie state or something?

Zor

They will produce babies who will, in the future, soldier on for the glory of the country!

Zor, where's Zoria gonna be?

Zor wrote:Exactly why did you bar Women from Military Service there shep?

It's basically a question that asks how much mobilizable manpower you can get. Only really useful in OMG TOTAL WAER situations.

Shepistan allows women in token positions like officer's assistants, etc.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:They will produce babies who will, in the future, soldier on for the glory of the country!

Zor, where's Zoria gonna be?

Island Nation and well away from Shepistan or Japanistan.

Zor