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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:I'd rather Wong be the civilian Commander in Chief.

Bad idea, not only does Mike have no combat/crowd control/military/police or whatever experience, but his kids are at home. I would think he'd be out of there to get home to them as fast as possible.

Now, I'm probably not in this (as per the OP), but this is what I would advise over msn or something:

Get one of the military members to take control. Jegs2 is in some sort of command position if I remember right, if he's gone like Mike due to kids, Rob Wilson should still be there. I don't know if he's trained for command or anything, but I'm fairly sure he could at least appear the part and start enforcing order.

Teams go around grabbing fire axes, extinguishers, interior doors and nails and any tools close to the defendable/blockable points. The herd should be moved upstairs, destroying stairs behind them if possible, cluttering choke points with debris that makes loud noises when disturbed, like the shopping trolleys in 28 days later.

If the kitchen is downstairs, relocating upstairs is still a decent idea, you can always rip out cables and use those to get down broken staircases and back up again. The good thing about that is, you can remove them afterwards, so the zombies can be kept at bay.

After that, start searching for any security risks, zombies, water and food sources, potential escape routes on to the roof, etc. Start forming an escape plan early. If there's any other survivors in viewing distance, find a way to communicate and start a plan to get them help if it's reasonable. Like Andy in DotD, they should've been trying to get him food much earlier than they did. They could've been helping him as soon as he said he was getting hungry.

weemadando wrote:The Zombie Survival Guide should be read, and then almost totally ignored. The guy is ignorant of many of the basic realities of life (katana as the best melee weapon? Bull-fucking-shit). Some points he makes are good, but the vast majority are fucking crap.

Actually he says the crowbar is the best weapon, since on top of it being an effective weapon it is durable, easily found, haz zero potential to violate any weapon regulation laws and can also be used for its regular function.
Katana is mentioned as one of the best swords since it is designed to slice off stuff rather than stab, somthing you want to do against the zombie which is unlikely to be wearing any form of armour and isn't going to be incapacitated with stabbing, but will be hindered by lopping off it's arms, legs or head.

How well would a zombie do in northern Ontario in winter? Can they keep going even when frozen?

2000AD wrote: Actually he says the crowbar is the best weapon, since on top of it being an effective weapon it is durable, easily found, haz zero potential to violate any weapon regulation laws and can also be used for its regular function.
Katana is mentioned as one of the best swords since it is designed to slice off stuff rather than stab, somthing you want to do against the zombie which is unlikely to be wearing any form of armour and isn't going to be incapacitated with stabbing, but will be hindered by lopping off it's arms, legs or head.

A crowbar has not nearly as many alternate uses as an Axe. Thus why I don't pick it.

And a katana? The man is a fucking douchebag. The weapon needs CONSTANT high-level maintenance just to keep it functional, and what the fuck are you going to do when you chip the blade on a bone?

I have a little experience in leadership, very little in crowd control; I'm somewhat handy with knots, and I don't know jack shit about combat. I can contribute thoughts, some help in keeping people calm, and not much else, though I can learn quickly.

Ergo, I follow the leader and try to do whatever he commands with alacrity (though I'd be worried sick about my family and friends, they're a good ten hour drive away, so there's nothing I can do).

weemadando wrote:

2000AD wrote: Actually he says the crowbar is the best weapon, since on top of it being an effective weapon it is durable, easily found, haz zero potential to violate any weapon regulation laws and can also be used for its regular function.
Katana is mentioned as one of the best swords since it is designed to slice off stuff rather than stab, somthing you want to do against the zombie which is unlikely to be wearing any form of armour and isn't going to be incapacitated with stabbing, but will be hindered by lopping off it's arms, legs or head.

A crowbar has not nearly as many alternate uses as an Axe. Thus why I don't pick it.

And a katana? The man is a fucking douchebag. The weapon needs CONSTANT high-level maintenance just to keep it functional, and what the fuck are you going to do when you chip the blade on a bone?

Actually, he says that a steel or titanium crowbar is the best bludgeon. He says the katana is best among the two-handed swords in regards for ease of decapitation, but he doesn't recommend it as the best overall bladed melee weapon.

He also holds axes and hatchets in high regard, although he actually considered the machete to be the best overall bladed weapon for close-quarters combat (which he recommends be avoided at all costs in the first palce) and general utility.

The shaolin spade is also cited in regards to combat in open spaces.

If the zombies came about thanks to a transmissable disease, the last thing you want to do is get into a melee fight.

Seeing as I'm both a Mess member and a trained communications dude, I resume my duties as comms guy for the group. Although a lack of radios will intially keep me pinned down as a runner. Someone will have to keep Mrs K calm as our kids will be stranded 400km north with the Grandparents.

And as for leader, jegs2 is a Major but he's a recruiter/former intel guy and Rob Wilson is an infantry Sgt Major so it's a toss up between them.

Cpl Kendall wrote:Seeing as I'm both a Mess member and a trained communications dude, I resume my duties as comms guy for the group. Although a lack of radios will intially keep me pinned down as a runner. Someone will have to keep Mrs K calm as our kids will be stranded 400km north with the Grandparents.

And as for leader, jegs2 is a Major but he's a recruiter/former intel guy and Rob Wilson is an infantry Sgt Major so it's a toss up between them.

As far as I understood the Zombie outbreak is only contained to Toronto, so why would I need to be kept calm?
Otherwise I don't know what else I would be there for other than to just help wherever people needed me to
Hubby just said I could help the medics

I believe that I must post this image. To set the proper mood for you all.

First things first, i'd go and rescue Zaia from her flat. And then we'd all go to the Winchester. It's got enough alcohol for me to be able to ride out the crisis. I want as many members of SEGNOR and AYVB as possible to use as fodder for those of us too beautiful to die such as myself.

Shaun of the Dead is a great film.

Besides if the outbreak is contained in Toronto you have to worry about Nukey Nukey. Get away from the blast radius ASAP!

Darth Fanboy wrote:First things first, i'd go and rescue Zaia from her flat. And then we'd all go to the Winchester. It's got enough alcohol for me to be able to ride out the crisis. I want as many members of SEGNOR and AYVB as possible to use as fodder for those of us too beautiful to die such as myself.

Shaun of the Dead is a great film.

Besides if the outbreak is contained in Toronto you have to worry about Nukey Nukey. Get away from the blast radius ASAP!

While a great plan...you'd have to enter Toronto to do this

As she's a part of the original group.

so besides having a set of deer bars on the front of my SUV and insane driving skills how am I supposed to get to the rest of you from Yosemite?

The Yosemite Bear wrote:so besides having a set of deer bars on the front of my SUV and insane driving skills how am I supposed to get to the rest of you from Yosemite?

You just do.

Everyone needs to invest in a medieval war hammer to truly survive the zombie hoards in style.

So do the Deer bars on the SUV assisst the group in any fashion failing that I have a military shovel, I don't really think I want to use my knives or my frying pans against zombies....

Flagg wrote:Everyone needs to invest in a medieval war hammer to truly survive the zombie hoards in style.

Warhammers are too slow on the backswing; while one will well and truly fuck up any person or zombie it hits, you're not going to get a good enough attack rate out of it. You smash the first one and then get swarmed. Better to avoid melee entirely.

Ghost Rider wrote:While a great plan...you'd have to enter Toronto to do this

As she's a part of the original group.

Okay, So FIRST I'll enter Toronto, then rescue everyone from the flat THEN head back to rescue my mum and already infected Stepdad in California and THEN we'll all go to the Winchester.

Rogue 9 wrote:

Flagg wrote:Everyone needs to invest in a medieval war hammer to truly survive the zombie hoards in style.

Warhammers are too slow on the backswing; while one will well and truly fuck up any person or zombie it hits, you're not going to get a good enough attack rate out of it. You smash the first one and then get swarmed. Better to avoid melee entirely.

Anyone engaging in combat with more than 4 of the fuckers as opposed to running away deserves to die.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:He says the katana is best among the two-handed swords in regards for ease of decapitation,

Still bullshit. Give me a late-era claymore or a true two-hander. The only reason katanas seem so good is because only the best of them were taken as prizes post-WWII. The others were destroyed per terms of the surrender. Your average katana was a mediocre sword with a nasty tendency to shatter if it hit anything hard (as recorded in Japanese histories). A European two-hander of the same quality as a surviving katana would be better due to the fact that it's longer and double-edged. Backswings aren't strong, but they let you get the weapon back in action faster.

but he doesn't recommend it as the best overall bladed melee weapon.

Well, at least he's not totally braindead.

Should I go up to mendicino and visit my stepdad's collection of Rifles, and sharp objects? (claymores, toledo swords, dozens of gurka knives)

Some notes: Mess Members: 58
Senators who aren't already counted because they are Mess Members:18
Mods not already counted:21
Supermods not already accounted for:3
That's a hundred right there.

The top thirty posters adds nine more, and I'm pretty sure that everyone will be surprised that Alyrium turns up.

People with military experience not in the Mess and those within driving distance is beyond my ability to easily calculate.

Immediate action, call wife and call home, tell James to implement the current zombie survival plan as best as he is able. Pray that wife and friends are able to hole up in designated semi-secure location.

Realistically, my role in this is to be in the grunt squad, and team leader of the sacrificial rearguard if one is needed and vehicular escape is not immediately available. As has been mentioned before, I can't run worth shit.

I do see some serious personality conflicts developing with the number of dominant personalities crammed together, hopefully they can be defered to a time when the zombies aren't actively killing us.

The Dark wrote:Still bullshit. Give me a late-era claymore or a true two-hander.

Actually, he counts two-handed swords all together as being among the ideal types: with the katana mentioned above due to its lightness and sheer sharpness in regards to quick decapitation. Mind that quality of the actual weapon in question doesn't seem to come up with any of the swords mentioned in the section for bladed close-quarter melee. And mind that he cites the machete as being the best above all the others in the section.

By the way, organising in such a large group is complete and total suicide, or at the least, utter madness.

so what does he consider gurka knives?