Bush: Me and god are buddies.

[Rogue 9]

Urge to invade other countries != homicidal mania. It is quite possible to contemplate the invasion of another country without an intense enthusiasm or desire for murder.

You'll notice he tends to follow through with this "I should invade ____" urge, too. Perhaps your head has been buried under a rock for a while to not notice that. Or perhaps on top of Republican cock, based on how vigorously you're defending a man who claims divine inspiration for his invasion of Iraqi.

Face it- the man is insane. He's claiming, regardless of how you parse it, that he has divine inspiration for making warfare on a totally irrelevant country (in the context of the War on Terror). Anything else is just splitting hairs here.

Which still doesn't make him a homicidal maniac. Charge him with what he is; you've already got plenty of material without making shit up.

[Duckie]

Which still doesn't make him a homicidal maniac. Charge him with what he is; you've already got plenty of material without making shit up.

True, I was mistaken there based on an erroneous definition and perhaps a touch too much hyperbole. I retract all statements of that specific nature.

[Surlethe]

Urge to invade other countries != homicidal mania. It is quite possible to contemplate the invasion of another country without an intense enthusiasm or desire for murder.

You'll notice he tends to follow through with this "I should invade ____" urge, too. Perhaps your head has been buried under a rock for a while to not notice that. Or perhaps on top of Republican cock, based on how vigorously you're defending a man who claims divine inspiration for his invasion of Iraqi.

Don't strawman too hard, moron. You'll notice several things, if you bother to read my posts:

• I haven't been defending Bush.
• I haven't said Bush never claimed divine inspiration.
• I haven't claimed Bush doesn't follow through on what he feels during prayer.

Don't let any of these facts stop you from distorting my position, though, if doing so compensates at all for your miniature phallic stature.

Face it- the man is insane. He's claiming, regardless of how you parse it, that he has divine inspiration for making warfare on a totally irrelevant country (in the context of the War on Terror). Anything else is just splitting hairs here.

Which makes him a homicidal maniac -- how, again? Oh, that's right; you were backpedaling. Never mind.

[Duckie]

Don't strawman too hard, moron. You'll notice several things, if you bother to read my posts:

• I haven't been defending Bush.
• I haven't said Bush never claimed divine inspiration.
• I haven't claimed Bush doesn't follow through on what he feels during prayer.

Don't let any of these facts stop you from distorting my position, though, if doing so compensates at all for your miniature phallic stature.

And yet you appear to be defending him. You were saying that he wasn't hearing voices, after it being implied that he was schizophrenic (or similar). The implication thus being that getting feelings from prayer is somehow much better than hearing God himself talk.

Bush is a praying man. Is this news to anybody?

Being a praying man is quite different from following orders from the man. Do you know what I'm saying?

I call that hearing voices.

Oh, please; he obviously didn't actually hear voices: he's simplifying the feelings he gets when he prays into verbal expressions.

You're saying that your insistance he didn't actually hear any voices so it's just feelings coming from prayer is an innocent statement which has no defense of Bush within it at all?

If so, we have no difference of opinion at all, but your wording suggests otherwise to me.

Which makes him a homicidal maniac -- how, again? Oh, that's right; you were backpedaling. Never mind.

It's not backpedaling if you admit you're wrong, asshole. It's called Conceding the Point. My definition of homocidial maniac was much too loose and now I must rephrase him to be just a mere maniac.

[Duckie]

Ghetto Edit: Surlethe's second post with the "Oh Please" has been snipped, however, the only thing removed was him asking for clarification about Kamakazie Sith's first and second sentences. I figure I might as well throw that out there just to be sure.

[The Yosemite Bear]

(Come to think of it, where is Bin Laden now? He's Bin Forgotin!)

Well, CNNNN say that:

"ATLANTA - The US military has pinpointed the whereabout of Osama bin Laden to one of just two specific locations: the Middle East or the [Indian] Subcontinent.

Or Africa. But, we can now say with certainty that he isn’t in Antarctica."

In other news Bin Laden determined to use penguins as a weapon against the united states.

[Surlethe]

And yet you appear to be defending him. You were saying that he wasn't hearing voices, after it being implied that he was schizophrenic (or similar). The implication thus being that getting feelings from prayer is somehow much better than hearing God himself talk.

Bush is a praying man. Is this news to anybody?

Being a praying man is quite different from following orders from the man. Do you know what I'm saying?

I call that hearing voices.

Oh, please; he obviously didn't actually hear voices: he's simplifying the feelings he gets when he prays into verbal expressions.

You're saying that your insistance he didn't actually hear any voices so it's just feelings coming from prayer is an innocent statement which has no defense of Bush within it at all?

If so, we have no difference of opinion at all, but your wording suggests otherwise to me.

Now it's my turn to retract an imprecise statement: I took your statement "defending Bush" to mean "defending his policies"; it is now clear to me I should have read it in the broader term. I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go. I am not defending Bush's implementation of his prayer life into American foreign policy.

What I am saying is Bush doesn't hear voices, but rather verbalizes the feelings he gets during prayer -- which he honestly believes to come from God -- into statements like "God told me to invade Iraq; and I did".

Which makes him a homicidal maniac -- how, again? Oh, that's right; you were backpedaling. Never mind.

It's not backpedaling if you admit you're wrong, asshole. It's called Conceding the Point. My definition of homocidial maniac was much too loose and now I must rephrase him to be just a mere maniac.

Ai! you conceded right before I posted. Ignore that statement, please.

[Lord Zentei]

The White House denies it.

White House denies Bush God claim

The White House has dismissed as "absurd" allegations made in a BBC TV series that President Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq.

"He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The comments were attributed to Mr Bush by the Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath in the upcoming TV series Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs.

Mr Shaath said that in a 2003 meeting with Mr Bush, the US president said he was "driven with a mission from God".

Holy war?

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in June 2003 too, also appears on the documentary series to recount how Mr Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

The TV series charts recent attempts to bring peace to the Middle East, from former US President Bill Clinton's peace talks in 1999-2000 to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this year.

It seeks to uncover what happened behind closed doors by speaking to presidents and prime ministers, along with their generals and ministers.

[Darth Wong]

I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go.

Well there's a meaningless statement. Especially since "religious men" can run the gamut from the guy who goes to church now and then to a guy like Osama Bin Laden.

[Duckie]

Now it's my turn to retract an imprecise statement: I took your statement "defending Bush" to mean "defending his policies"; it is now clear to me I should have read it in the broader term. I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go. I am not defending Bush's implementation of his prayer life into American foreign policy.

What I am saying is Bush doesn't hear voices, but rather verbalizes the feelings he gets during prayer -- which he honestly believes to come from God -- into statements like "God told me to invade Iraq; and I did".

Understandable, but (at risk of starting yet another debate where I will invariably get assraped) what makes it better that he gets his Spidey Sense going to invade Iraq than a Burning Bush (hah!) appearing and telling him to go do it?

[On a side note, that was a masterful flamekrieg you performed, Surlethe. I don't think I've ever seen my manhood, intelligence, and reading comprehension all insulted in the same paragraph. Bravo.]

[Spyder]

I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go.

Actually delusion is defined by maintaining a stout belief in something or faith that certain conditions are true despite either lack of evidence to confirm and/or overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is arguable that any form of religous belief is a form of insanity.

[Surlethe]

Understandable, but (at risk of starting yet another debate where I will invariably get assraped) what makes it better that he gets his Spidey Sense going to invade Iraq than a Burning Bush (hah!) appearing and telling him to go do it?

The former involves an operation which all fundies, semi-fundies, and some normal Christians perform: ask any former fundie on the boards about prayer, and I'm sure they'll tell you the same thing I'm about to. Fundamentalists approach prayer as a conversation with God, but -- and here's what I've been saying, reworded slightly -- that doesn't mean they hear voices. Rather, they think, by concentrating, they can divine God's influence in their thoughts. I'm saying Bush is doing this, and then verbalizing the results of his prayertimes, rather than outright hearing voices which don't exist. One involves willful self-delusion; the other, mental illness. So, in conclusion to this wordy exposition, the end result is no better -- I'm not defending the war in Iraq! -- but the process "only" involves the President's religious beliefs, not a mental state of audial hallucination.

[On a side note, that was a masterful flamekrieg you performed, Surlethe. I don't think I've ever seen my manhood, intelligence, and reading comprehension all insulted in the same paragraph. Bravo.]

Thanks.

[Surlethe]

I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go.

Well there's a meaningless statement. Especially since "religious men" can run the gamut from the guy who goes to church now and then to a guy like Osama Bin Laden.

Actually delusion is defined by maintaining a stout belief in something or faith that certain conditions are true despite either lack of evidence to confirm and/or overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is arguable that any form of religous belief is a form of insanity.

More imprecise wording on my part; I was attempting to draw a distinction between my position of stating Bush does not hallucinate and my former interpretation of the allegation against me of "defending Bush" as "defending Bush's policies".

[mr friendly guy]

I am defending Bush, in the sense I am saying he is sane, as religious men go.

Actually delusion is defined by maintaining a stout belief in something or faith that certain conditions are true despite either lack of evidence to confirm and/or overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is arguable that any form of religous belief is a form of insanity.

As far as I am concern, all religious beliefs are delusional if we use delusion in the general sense of the word. This is opposed to say the psychiatric definition of delusion, which makes allowances for religious beliefs. If you seriously believe in God you aren't going to end up in a psych ward. If you seriously believe in that aliens are stalking you are then on just bought a ticket to the hospital.

[WyrdNyrd]

Which makes the medical world hypocrites, doesn't it? One standard for "God", another for "aliens".

[Rye]

It sounded to me like he was just using the religion card to shut the palestinians up, I mean, how are they going to be able to disagree with a guy that says he's on a mission from God to give them autonomy and some liberation from Israelis in the name of peace?

[Vendetta]

Which makes the medical world hypocrites, doesn't it? One standard for "God", another for "aliens".

No, just practical.

There isn't a loony bin big enough.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Not really. Clarify, please.

Umm okay. Praying to god is quite different than receiving and following orders from god. Since god is a fictional being then if Bush is receiving orders from god then Bush is clearly hearing voices.

Oh, please; he obviously didn't actually hear voices: he's simplifying the feelings he gets when he prays into verbal expressions.

You're probably right. It's most likely a religious statement. Of course, how would you know if you were wrong? What if Bush was really hearing voices caused by some sort of mental imbalance? You'd never know.

Chances are though that his medical examiners would catch it and he wouldn't be allowed to continue on as POTUS.

All I'm saying is anyone that claims they're just following orders from God should be placed on the watch list.

[Akhlut]

He thought that was God's voice he was hearing? Damn, that was just the sound of me fucking his mom last night.

ZING!

Dude, why the hell would you want to fuck Barbara Bush? Why would you put your dick anywhere near this?

[Akhlut]

At least this is better than Jeb and his mystical, conservative Chinese warrior.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Ok, something to put into prespective...

I consider myself a "Faithed" person, yeh, I'm gay and a Liberal, thats a different topic... OK, I goto church, I prey, and do the rest. Lots of people do, hundreds of thousands each day do... What does NOT happen are people who prey to God, and say that God talks back to them.

The church has very strict rules on this. It's ok to prey, but if you go into a church, and shout "God has spoke to me! And let me tell you what we talked about!" Well, you get funny looks and the Priest makes a phone call...

What I'm getting at is Bushy is not just a "Faithful" person, he is a loon. The instant he comes out and makes statements like "God told me to do this." That puts him in the loony bin right away... Shoot, if he had said "I preyed to God, and felt God wanted me to do this" Thats even somewhat ok... But when you say "God Told me to do this" Well, that puts you up there with Bin Laden...

My 2 cents.

[Captain Cyran]

It sounded to me like he was just using the religion card to shut the palestinians up, I mean, how are they going to be able to disagree with a guy that says he's on a mission from God to give them autonomy and some liberation from Israelis in the name of peace?

That's what I said as well. We already know that this guy is good at using the religious right like a snot rag. What better place to do that then the Middle East?

[McC]

Who is Shaath, beyond "a Palestinian negotiator?" In my opinion, all these things are perfectly in keeping with what I know of Bush, but the legitimacy of the statements has to be assessed.

[Plekhanov]

I'd call him a loon, but that's actually a pretty smart move. The people he's dealing with down there are generally very religious. So if he says he's on a mission from God to give Palestine a state and end the wars in the Middle East he's going to be getting more popular support for it.

When you say "down there," do you mean his voter base (down South) or in the Middle East? Because although he might be widely believed in the Bible Belt (in fact, I have no doubt that he is), I'm rather more skeptical that it'll work in the Middle East.

And whatever he's doing isn't gaining much popular support in the USA. His approval ratings are steadily falling, which gives me hope for the country.

I meant the Middle East. You know, where religion is in charge of most of culture, hundreds of wars based around it. Many fights, especially in Palestine, still going on.

That particular "fight" is about land all the relgious stuff is just froth
on top.

[Surlethe]

Not really. Clarify, please.

Umm okay. Praying to god is quite different than receiving and following orders from god. Since god is a fictional being then if Bush is receiving orders from god then Bush is clearly hearing voices.

That's a non-sequitur; one doesn't necessarily have to be hearing voices to think one is obeying God. As I explained above, your average evangelical fundie is praying, and he'll interpret his own feelings during prayer as God speaking to him.

Oh, please; he obviously didn't actually hear voices: he's simplifying the feelings he gets when he prays into verbal expressions.

You're probably right. It's most likely a religious statement. Of course, how would you know if you were wrong? What if Bush was really hearing voices caused by some sort of mental imbalance? You'd never know.

Chances are though that his medical examiners would catch it and he wouldn't be allowed to continue on as POTUS.

All I'm saying is anyone that claims they're just following orders from God should be placed on the watch list.

That's 30 million American evangelicals on your watch list right there.