Ron Moore's Deep Space Journey

[bilateralrope]

I've watched some of the old BSG and while I found it watchable but not something I would go out of my way to watch.

For the miniseries I have only seen about the last 30 mins of the first part (twice, once when they showed it on its own, again just before starting off the new series on NZ tv), so I don't feel like I've watched enough to judge it.

As for the new tv series, it is up there amoung my faviroute sci-fi series. At first I was watching it simply because it was on, but as it went on I've liked it more.

As for them making starbuck female. I grubmled a bit when I first heard about it, but I can see that it is working well. Had I known more about the changes being made I would of probably not complained, but I only heard about starbuck being made female

[Stofsk]

Um. You've got a pretty narrow view of what a woman acts like here. Perhaps she's mannish, because her character is the military loner tomboy cliche, only done surprisingly well?

Which is pretty much my problem with it. We could've gotten a bloody man for that. What has she ever done that a man wouldn't? Heck, even in the dress in Episode 10 she looked out of place. At least Boomer is believable.

I don't think that's relevant.

I don't think it matters at all that Starbuck is a woman in NeoBSG. I like her character. And I'm not entirely sure I understand your criticism of her: "What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?" Who gives a fuck?

[Vympel]

I don't think that's relevant.

I don't think it matters at all that Starbuck is a woman in NeoBSG. I like her character. And I'm not entirely sure I understand your criticism of her: "What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?" Who gives a fuck?

Simple- what the fuck was the point? She's a man with tits. The sex change of the character was therefore completely redundant. Her character is indistinguishable from a male actor playing that role. It was a change for change's sake, and serves no story-telling purpose whatsoever.

[Stofsk]

Simple- what the fuck was the point? She's a man with tits. The sex change of the character was therefore completely redundant. Her character is indistinguishable from a male actor playing that role.

Nope. The relationship dynamic she has with Lee and Adama would have been radically different if Starbuck was cast as a man.

Adama acts like Starbuck is his surrogate daughter. If Starbuck wasn't a woman, this relationship dynamic would not be there. There is also the subtle hints that Lee and Starbuck have some kind of feeling fo each other beyond colleague or even friends-only. Again, this dynamic would be different if she had been cast as a male - unless you want Lee and Starbuck to be... top gun potential. (nothin' sus...)

To say NOTHING of the relationship she has with Baltar... but you haven't watched that episode yet, or have you?

[Akaramu Shinja]

There is also the whole thing with Adama's son.

[Stofsk]

There is also the whole thing with Adama's son.

His other son, quite right. I had forgotten that.

[Akaramu Shinja]

To be honest. As Starbuck was original, was an empty sci-fi cliche of a character. What they've done now has added depth to it, and wholey improved on the idea of it being a naturalistic sci-fi.

[Arrow]

I don't think that's relevant.

I don't think it matters at all that Starbuck is a woman in NeoBSG. I like her character. And I'm not entirely sure I understand your criticism of her: "What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?" Who gives a fuck?

Simple- what the fuck was the point? She's a man with tits. The sex change of the character was therefore completely redundant. Her character is indistinguishable from a male actor playing that role. It was a change for change's sake, and serves no story-telling purpose whatsoever.

Her personality is still very realistic. I know women in real life that act like that (worse, in some ways, and I'm glad they don't know how use a gun). They cuss, fight, rough it and drink. Its no big deal. And the sex change has served a story-telling purpose, as has been pointed out.

[Alliance SpecForceTrooper]

Well,

they didn't HAVE to make Starbuck a woman. Serina, Athenae and Sheba were all pilots in the original series (Athenae started as a shuttle pilot but became Viper qualified).

Be that as it may, I must say the new Starbuck does kinda grow on you. My only real gripe is that the original John Williams score was not retained.

[Lord Zentei]

I'm just wondering if Moore et al ever explained why they made Starbuck a woman. If they want to cast the character as such, fine but as long as it isn't just because they can... not that I got that impression from the article, mind.

And on that note, great article.

[Aeolus]

Which is pretty much my problem with it. We could've gotten a bloody man for that. What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?

Well, I doubt Baltar would have fucked Dirk Benedict.

I am not complety convinced of that...

[Aeolus]

I don't think that's relevant.

I don't think it matters at all that Starbuck is a woman in NeoBSG. I like her character. And I'm not entirely sure I understand your criticism of her: "What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?" Who gives a fuck?

Simple- what the fuck was the point? She's a man with tits. The sex change of the character was therefore completely redundant. Her character is indistinguishable from a male actor playing that role. It was a change for change's sake, and serves no story-telling purpose whatsoever.

Um she was fucking Zach and thats why he got his wings and died........ I doubt the scifi community is ready for that story line if Starbuck is a guy.

[Lord Zentei]

I don't think that's relevant.

I don't think it matters at all that Starbuck is a woman in NeoBSG. I like her character. And I'm not entirely sure I understand your criticism of her: "What has she ever done that a man wouldn't?" Who gives a fuck?

Simple- what the fuck was the point? She's a man with tits. The sex change of the character was therefore completely redundant. Her character is indistinguishable from a male actor playing that role. It was a change for change's sake, and serves no story-telling purpose whatsoever.

Um she was fucking Zach and thats why he got his wings and died........ I doubt the scifi community is ready for that story line if Starbuck is a guy.

And there is no other way for Zach to get his wings? Wasn't that subplot more a consequence of the sex change rather than the reason for it?

[Akaramu Shinja]

Wasn't that subplot more a consequence of the sex change rather than the reason for it?

Probably not no.

[StarshipTitanic]

Well,

they didn't HAVE to make Starbuck a woman. Serina, Athenae and Sheba were all pilots in the original series (Athenae started as a shuttle pilot but became Viper qualified).

Be that as it may, I must say the new Starbuck does kinda grow on you. My only real gripe is that the original John Williams score was not retained.

Serina was a one-off character and Athena wasn't really interesting (partially because the actress sucked). Athena's last apperances was as a school teacher! The original was ok with gender equality, but not as seamless as the original.

The original score was composed by a man named Stu Phillips, who did a lot of Glen Larson shows (Buck Rogers, Knight Rider).

[StarshipTitanic]

Not as seamless as the modern one. The way editing is allowed or disallowed is asinine.

I'm sure Moore switched Starbuck's sex to give himself more, or different?, opportunities from the original. Only the most ignorant "Starbuck's a man!" vitriol can interpret that as changing it for the hell of it.

[Jalinth]

And there is no other way for Zach to get his wings? Wasn't that subplot more a consequence of the sex change rather than the reason for it?

It ties nicely into the whole Zach, Adama,and Starbuck relationship. I really didn't want to see a "best buds" type relationship that the original had (and Top Gun, and almost any other fighter flick that has been produced). Zach and Starbuck do not have this relationship, and having Starbuck married to Zach's sister wouldn't have the same feel.

[Tsyroc]

My only real gripe is that the original John Williams score was not retained.

That's my biggest disappointment as well.

I also tend to miss the energy weapons on the space ships but not the ray guns side arms that the Colonial Warriors and Cylons carried.

[Uraniun235]

My only real gripe is that the original John Williams score was not retained.

I don't think John Williams ever worked on the Battlestar Galactica score.

However, one of the Star Wars VFX dudes, if I remember right, did go on to work on Battlestar Galactica.

[StarshipTitanic]

*cough cough*

The original score was composed by a man named Stu Phillips, who did a lot of Glen Larson shows (Buck Rogers, Knight Rider).

John Dykstra worked on Star Wars, then used what he learned for Galactica.

[Uraniun235]

Yeah, I saw that, but didn't someone else also work on the music throughout the ongoing series? Alliance might have thought that person was Williams.

John Dykstra worked on Star Wars, then used what he learned for Galactica.

Which promptly got Galactica sued.

[StarshipTitanic]

The show's music was mostly done for the pilot. Phillips then did rearrangements for each episodes. In a small featurette about the show's music from the series DVD set, he commented on enjoying his work for the show, but regretting each episode couldn't get its own score for lack of time. (little tidbit)