Roof protest at Prescott's home (Greenpeace)

[Chmee]

'Forcibly eject' ... not equal to 'death penalty' ..... although catapult accidents do happen.

Funny shooting people is considered deadly force...pointing a gun at them is threatening with a deadly weapon....so, what exactly is the notion that you can shoot people on your property for no reason other than nuiscance except the death penalty for it?

Ah...yes...the death penalty requires a trial, evidence, courts, juries, lawyers and appeals and stuff...my mistake, let me rephrase:

Welcome to the US where petty vandalism incurs summary execution...

Obviously you have me confused with someone else ... or, you're just generally confused, since I never mentioned shooting anybody.

In fact (making the broad assumption that you're even slightly interested in fact), you generally can't use deadly force in America unless you have a reasonable belief that you face physical danger from an intruder on your property.

So -- petty vandal on my property who is ARMED ... yep, I get to shoot 'em legally. Petty vandal on my property who is unarmed, I can probably only break their legs with a softball bat and let the dogs toy with them while I wait for the cops. Of course ... the idiots would be perfectly safe if they simply had the basic intelligence to leave me and mine alone, wouldn't they? Life's an intelligence test, and we don't grade on a curve.

[Keevan_Colton]

So, petty vandalism summarily punishable with GBH as far as your concerned....this really is sooo much better....and in case you havent noticed the point raised here was "taking pot shots" which implies shooting...try and keep track of what you're replying to eh?

What happend to the notion of the rule of law?

[Chmee]

Punishable with date-rape drugs?

Like I said, you still have me confused with someone else, I chose my responsive words with care (a novel concept: try it, you might even like it!), I never supported or applauded the notion of deadly force against mere vandals or trespassers. Keeping them out, kicking them out ... I'm all for it. All for the rule of law, too, starting with 'no trespassing'.

[Keevan_Colton]

Punishable with date-rape drugs?

Like I said, you still have me confused with someone else, I chose my responsive words with care (a novel concept: try it, you might even like it!), I never supported or applauded the notion of deadly force against mere vandals or trespassers. Keeping them out, kicking them out ... I'm all for it. All for the rule of law, too, starting with 'no trespassing'.

Horseshit, I responded to Troy's notion of taking potshots at people in response to petty vandalism and you attacked that response, in case you hadnt noticed the force being talked about was deadly force.

Now you've backed down to simple torture...how charming...you still dont get the notion that perhaps serious injury of other is contrary to the spirit of the rule of law...and that perhaps, just perhaps mind you...that the lives of other people are worth more than fucking property...

And for your moronic self GBH stands for Grevious Bodily Harm...

[Chmee]

Punishable with date-rape drugs?

Like I said, you still have me confused with someone else, I chose my responsive words with care (a novel concept: try it, you might even like it!), I never supported or applauded the notion of deadly force against mere vandals or trespassers. Keeping them out, kicking them out ... I'm all for it. All for the rule of law, too, starting with 'no trespassing'.

Horseshit, I responded to Troy's notion of taking potshots at people in response to petty vandalism and you attacked that response, in case you hadnt noticed the force being talked about was deadly force.

Now you've backed down to simple torture...how charming...you still dont get the notion that perhaps serious injury of other is contrary to the spirit of the rule of law...and that perhaps, just perhaps mind you...that the lives of other people are worth more than fucking property...

And for your moronic self GBH stands for Grevious Bodily Harm...

Well, I guess it's too much to ask that you actually apply reading comprehension to the response I made, and differentiating my response from Castor's.

I completely understand the 'clean hands' doctrine of law .... that before you come to complain about my behavior, yours should be exemplary. A trespasser doesn't get to bitch about my dogs chewing his ass while he's climbing over my fence, for the simple reason that the fault was 100% his for climbing the fence in the first place. But, keep raving about points I never made and knocking them down, it looks like you're entertaining yourself ... do get back to me if you actually want to address something I said instead of something you wish I'd said.

[Keevan_Colton]

How about the notion of breaking his legs and setting your dogs on him, that was after all something you actually said you ignorant little cock-monkey. GBH and torture...or are you unable to remember what you wrote in the post I was responding to?


Jesus fucking christ your as thick as donkey cum and half as pleasant to be around.

[Chmee]

How about the notion of breaking his legs and setting your dogs on him, that was after all something you actually said you ignorant little cock-monkey. GBH and torture...or are you unable to remember what you wrote in the post I was responding to?


Jesus fucking christ your as thick as donkey cum and half as pleasant to be around.

Well, never let it be said you can't learn, because you now seem to have grasped an actual difference between force and deadly force. Congratulations. Still a little weak on grammar skills, but give it time.

[jegs2]

I'd like to see a bunch of protesters picketing the Greenpeace HQ with signs that say, "GET A LIFE!"

[Castor Troy]

As for being shot for a "monor act of nuisance", I think you missed the part where they would be vandalising and trespassing into my house.

See my post above for link to the pic and charges - no vandalism was done. They did no more than climb up where they're not supposed to be. There's a little kid lives on my street, he's forever up to mischief, and one of his favourite pass-times is climbing up garden walls to peer at what's on the other side. I bollock him when I catch him at it. You would shoot him?

You have to use common sense. A little kid in my yard...no, I would not shoot him. Fuck no. I'd tell him to get off, but not shoot him.

A couple of grown people who I don't know then come into my property (they climbed his fense), get on TOP of my house, and start doing shit to it that I wouldn't authorize, and even if they scratch the paint I'd consider that vandalism.

And yes, I'd consider them threats to me and my supposed family. If it was a kid, I wouldn't care. Protestors? They can get violent. Fuck 'em.

They should have thought it more before climbing into my property.

Actually, I wouldn't shoot them. I'd knock the ladder that they crawled onto the roof of my house off and hold them at gun point so that they have no means of escape, and then call the cops so that they can spend some time in jail.

I honestly don't care if it was a "peaceful protest". They're still a potential threat, and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let them threaten me or my family.

They should have thought about it before they'd come into my place.

Of course, if I were loaded I'd have guards to take care of them.

[The Third Man]

Can't argue with that, if they were too undermanned to keep them from invading the property, the proper course was to call in sufficient aid to execute the arrests.

It's more than that they were just short-handed. The armed protection unit is there for a very specific task - namely shooting Usama Bin Laden if he shows up to do in Prescott. For them to get entangled in managing demonstrators would almost be a dereliction of their duty. They did the right thing and called un-armed bobbies to deal with the problem, once they'd ascertained it didn't represent a threat (or at least, the sort of threat they were there to deal with).

In a lot of cases the UK police do exhibit poor judgement, but in this instance I can't fault them. I also don't envy them making the call, in what must be pretty tense circumstances.

[The Third Man]

You have to use common sense. A little kid in my yard...no, I would not shoot him. Fuck no. I'd tell him to get off, but not shoot him.

Good. You don't fail any sanity checks so far then.

Actually, I wouldn't shoot them. I'd knock the ladder that they crawled onto the roof of my house off and hold them at gun point so that they have no means of escape, and then call the cops so that they can spend some time in jail.

The first part is quite reasonable (but of course, a demonstrator wouldn't really mind being stuck there). But holding someone at gunpoint is still problematic; if they don't bow to your threat, and make to walk away, what are you going to do? Shoot them? That lands you back in the same position of killing (or injuring) over a very petty provocation.

Of course, if I were loaded I'd have guards to take care of them.

In a way so did Prescott, in the shape of the police. Of course, in his case it isn't exactly clear if the coppers are there to guard Prescott from the public, or vice versa...

[General Zod]

See my post above for link to the pic and charges - no vandalism was done. They did no more than climb up where they're not supposed to be. There's a little kid lives on my street, he's forever up to mischief, and one of his favourite pass-times is climbing up garden walls to peer at what's on the other side. I bollock him when I catch him at it. You would shoot him?

little kids causing small mischief is hardly analogous to teenagers (17+) and young adults trespassing on private property to do who the fuck knows what. if i see an individual or group of individuals i don't know trespassing on my property, and i don't know what the fuck they're doing there, i'm perfectly entitled to protect myself. for all i know they could be out to rob the house, smash up a bunch of windows, or simply tp the tree in the yard. i for one am not willing to take the chance that they're just causing a harmless prank and will use whatever reasonable means are required to get them the fuck out of my property.

if it involves going out and yelling at them, fine. if it involves waving a handgun around, fine. if they want to continue persisting despite all the necessary warnings, then it's their own damn fault if i wind up putting them in the hospital. (although personally i don't like firearms. i'd be more likely to use a big axe, a baseball bat, or a sword of some type).

[Alyrium Denryle]

'Forcibly eject' ... not equal to 'death penalty' ..... although catapult accidents do happen.

Funny shooting people is considered deadly force...pointing a gun at them is threatening with a deadly weapon....so, what exactly is the notion that you can shoot people on your property for no reason other than nuiscance except the death penalty for it?

Ah...yes...the death penalty requires a trial, evidence, courts, juries, lawyers and appeals and stuff...my mistake, let me rephrase:

Welcome to the US where petty vandalism incurs summary execution...

Well you see, we have no idea what those people are really there for. And f someone literally besieged my house with ladders you are damn right I will take a 9 mm to them... or better yet my short sword

[Alyrium Denryle]

So, petty vandalism summarily punishable with GBH as far as your concerned....this really is sooo much better....and in case you havent noticed the point raised here was "taking pot shots" which implies shooting...try and keep track of what you're replying to eh?

What happend to the notion of the rule of law?

Actually according to US law it is fully in effect. Any injury or harm done to a person during the commission of a crime is the fault of those who commit that crime. SO even during an act of home invasion like climbing a house and installing shit against the person's will, any injury incurred by them, and any damages are THEIR FAULT. If they get shot by the owners, they are the ones that will be charged with felony murder.

I love my country

[Rogue 9]

I'd like to see a bunch of protesters picketing the Greenpeace HQ with signs that say, "GET A LIFE!"

I might be able to arrange that, along with some other choice slogans. Where's their HQ at, anyway?