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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IIRC, the Dark Empire Sourcebook said that Eclipse's axial superlaser was a third as powerful as Death Star I's, which is absurdly beyond the amound of power the ship should actually be able of generating.

The EGTVV explains that the Eclipse's superlaser can only shatter the crust of a planet, which makes a lot more sense. It still says it's 2/3 as powerful as the DS, but given that explanation of its abilities, a good rationalization would be to just throw out those numbers as no-math BS that the EU writers pulled out of their asses.

Searing a continent or cracking the crust of a planet (both descriptions attached to the Eclipse superlaser IIRC) are both more practical than that weapon being 2/3 the power of the DS's superlaser. The recoil alonewould propel the ship backwards at a rate that would greatly overwhelm the counter-thrust the engines could possibly produce, unless the ship were extraordinarily dense. (technically, this is also a problem for the 1st and 2nd Death Stars too, but not nearly as much of a problem as it is for a a ship less than 20 km long.) The implied power generation, accelerative, and fuel-density implications are likewise ludicrous when compared to the Death STars.

Of course the DESB also says Alderaan didn't have a planetary shield, ,and it makes up a lot of technobabble for superlasers penetrating planetarry shielding and whatnot, so its not like that is the MOST nonsensical tidbit frfom that book (in a technical sense, at least.)

I rescaled it several years ago, and I don't remember exactly why. I think it may have had to do with the length of the main hangar.The answer may lie in the depths of the XWA Upgrade forums, but their search function is, well, nonfunctional, so I'd have to browse through five years' worth of posts., since I'm not even sure when I did it or what forum the Imperium topic was in. Oh well, here it is:

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Yes, the rescaling made it roughly twice as large, and no, I don't recall why.

By 'doing anything a DS can do' I would assume it means blow a planet away.

You say it has 1/10000th the volume. 3.4x10^38J/2.4 x 10^32J = 1,416,666. Theoretically, using the upper limit, the Empire could indeed produce a planet killer one millionth the volume of the Death Star. So, no, it's not all that wanked out, the Empire could, and probably would, build them, if faced with a strong external threat. Given the rescaling above, it is considerably longer than the DS1, and shouldn't have that much less volume. A planet destroying superlaser is quite 'realistic' for this ship, given the Star Wars context.

Furthermore, remember, most of the DS is troop space and fuel. The DS prototype was practically a wireframe, but it could do much of the same things

CivilWarMan wrote:Not only is this ship fanwank material, but it's pretty stupid. It'd be more efficient to use the resources required for a ship that big to build a few thousand Imperators and a few million TIEs. All the better to oppress the masses with.

That, in my opinion, is what makes it "wank".

nightmare wrote:That, in my opinion, is what makes it "wank".

The same is true of both Death Stars. Imperial Philosophy uses Superweapons a lot.

NecronLord wrote:By 'doing anything a DS can do' I would assume it means blow a planet away.

You say it has 1/10000th the volume. 3.4x10^38J/2.4 x 10^32J = 1,416,666. Theoretically, using the upper limit, the Empire could indeed produce a planet killer one millionth the volume of the Death Star. So, no, it's not all that wanked out, the Empire could, and probably would, build them, if faced with a strong external threat. Given the rescaling above, it is considerably longer than the DS1, and shouldn't have that much less volume. A planet destroying superlaser is quite 'realistic' for this ship, given the Star Wars context.

Furthermore, remember, most of the DS is troop space and fuel. The DS prototype was practically a wireframe, but it could do much of the same things

No I mean in the sense that it appears to have been created solely to "one-up" the deathstar in capability and I WANT MY SPHERES OF D00M GAWDDAMNIT!!!!

Star-Blighter wrote: No I mean in the sense that it appears to have been created solely to "one-up" the deathstar in capability and I WANT MY SPHERES OF D00M GAWDDAMNIT!!!!

Well, again, thoughly in character for Palpy. You think he'd be happy with just the one uber ship design?

Isn't this "ship" just a cross between the Executer and the Eclipse? It has the command tower of the Eclipse along with the axial superlaser and then it has the superstructure of the general outline of the Executor. Not a very original fan design.

Gah. Again I defend it.

Ships aren't original. They are designed with the lessons of the previous ships in mind. Thus, this one should look a lot like previous Imperial ships. It looks more like an Acclamator writ large to me anyway.

Besides, supposedly the superlaser itself of the Death Star is 40 kilometres long, which could easily be fit into this monstrosity.

StarWarsJunkie89 wrote:From Website:

The embodiment of Palpatine's plans for extra-galactic conquest, the Imperium would have been as powerful as a Death Star, but much more mobile. Equipped with a small fleet of capital ships, thousands of fighters, and innumerable support craft, the Imperium would have had virtually unlimited range since it would also have carried several World Devastators to produce needed supplies. With this ship, the immortal Palpatine would have spread the Empire across the universe. Rumors suggest that the crew would also have been "immortal" as well, thanks to cloning equipment that would have been onboard. Thankfully, Palpatine was not as immortal as he had hoped, and the ship never progressed beyond initial planning before his final death. While some die-hard Imperials wanted to try and actually build it to use against the New Republic, saner heads prevailed and the Imperium remained only a terrible dream.

I don't see one reason why this craft would've been even concieved or constructed. Aside from the questionable "more manueverability", the Death Star can accomplish everything this ship is supposed to (and better too).

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Besides, supposedly the superlaser itself of the Death Star is 40 kilometres long, which could easily be fit into this monstrosity.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? The DS was a lot bigger, built around its superlaser, and had crappy speed and maneuverability. That's how it was able to fit its superlaser. This ship is thin, has the mobility of a normal warship, and carries fleets of warships and World Devastators inside of it, along with troops and cloning equipment.

Well the size of the superlaser is irrelevant as you also need reactor big enough to power the damm thing (there's probaly a reason why the DS has very bad maneuverability). this thing is just very bad wank.

Ah yes, the famed HIMS Phallic Compensator. That's been posted how many times, now?

Lord Revan wrote:Well the size of the superlaser is irrelevant as you also need reactor big enough to power the damm thing (there's probaly a reason why the DS has very bad maneuverability). this thing is just very bad wank.

ICS established that the DS's reactor is only remarkable for its size. A reactor with 1,000,000th the volume could still blow a planet up.

NecronLord wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:Well the size of the superlaser is irrelevant as you also need reactor big enough to power the damm thing (there's probaly a reason why the DS has very bad maneuverability). this thing is just very bad wank.

ICS established that the DS's reactor is only remarkable for its size. A reactor with 1,000,000th the volume could still blow a planet up.

any if that thing had the same maneuverability as the DS it would be like big shoot me sign.

Lord Revan wrote:any if that thing had the same maneuverability as the DS it would be like big shoot me sign.

This is what escorts are for.

NecronLord wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:any if that thing had the same maneuverability as the DS it would be like big shoot me sign.

This is what escorts are for.

yeah, but there's more ways then one to kill ship that size(Rebel infiltration would REALLY bad problem).

Holy sweet Mary and Joseph! That is... large.
OMG the sheer scale of it! This spacecraft is bigger than some countries! The fucking Executor could fit inside one of its exhaust nozzles! Whoever designed this thing is fucking insane!
It could make a great terror weapon though. Can you imagine that monster coasting over your home town.

Lord Revan wrote:yeah, but there's more ways then one to kill ship that size(Rebel infiltration would REALLY bad problem).

The same is true of the DS.

Rogue 9 wrote:Ah yes, the famed HIMS Phallic Compensator. That's been posted how many times, now?

I'm kinda in the dark...What's the HIMS Phallic Compensator?

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Civilwarman wrote:Oversized starship.
Stupid fanwank. *fap fap fap*
Get a life, loser.

Nice Haiku btw

StarWarsJunkie89 wrote:I'm kinda in the dark...What's the HIMS Phallic Compensator?

Well, it's just that with the Empire's obsession with war machines of doom that are bigger than some countries on Earth you do have to wonder if somewhere in their war department someone is compensating for something.

NecronLord wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:Well the size of the superlaser is irrelevant as you also need reactor big enough to power the damm thing (there's probaly a reason why the DS has very bad maneuverability). this thing is just very bad wank.

ICS established that the DS's reactor is only remarkable for its size. A reactor with 1,000,000th the volume could still blow a planet up.

And power shields/propulsion/weapons at the same time? There are ALOT of fucking turbolasers on the surface of the Deathstar II. even assuming much lower density of turbolasers on the surface than what has been observed, the overall count of surface guns would be in the low millions ATLEAST.

What really bugs me is the bridge superstructure. Its several km long. Why?

Because they need to fit their rediculously-oversized Darth Vader in their to command the thing.