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Posted: 2002-09-27 12:39am
by Master of Ossus
This guy evidently believes that because a loose confederation of planets had no standing army, there must not have been any combat-capable ships.
Hello, individual planets and even some sectors built their own fleets. In addition, the Republic DID have a kind of combined ATF/FBI/National Guard called the Judicials. They used combat ships and were sometimes tasked with direct combat, especially in support of Jedi Knights.
Posted: 2002-09-27 01:22pm
by Knife
AL wrote:one other thought what happens if we see an imperator class star destroyer in EPIII. That would destroy the vsd theory all together.
We have to remember that according to the tpm the Republic had no real navy at all. Only in EPII do we see the creation of a military. Now EPIII is suppost to be only 2-3 years after EPII. In EPIII Republic turns to Empire the next capital ship we see should be an Imperator class star destroyer.
If that hold true and comes to pass then how are VSD going to explained when the replacement is already here, and the time frame to build them was only 2-3 years when WEG and the EU imply that there are numerous VSD's. This is the problem writing before all the movies are complete. Now we have contadictions to WEG and the EU and everything else that is not canon. The movies over ride alot and people seem to go on and on to explain these things away. By the way this is pure speculation on my part. Just something to think about before we all say that there are indeed VSDs and other ships. We should all really wait until EPIII comes out then we can see for ourselves.
In another thread I think I expressed my opinion that the Vic's probably came about as a sort of destroyer escort for the Acclamator assault transports. The empire then basicly combined the two for the Imperator.
Posted: 2002-09-27 03:10pm
by AL
Master of Ossus wrote:This guy evidently believes that because a loose confederation of planets had no standing army, there must not have been any combat-capable ships.
Hello, individual planets and even some sectors built their own fleets. In addition, the Republic DID have a kind of combined ATF/FBI/National Guard called the Judicials. They used combat ships and were sometimes tasked with direct combat, especially in support of Jedi Knights.
what is the source on this and what sort of warshis did they have?
Yes individual systems have their own forces, but were any of them making VSDs or Acclamators?
Posted: 2002-10-17 03:16pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Republic Navy formed at the inception of the Clone Wars had Victory Star Destroyers developed and built shortly after the war's beginning. Acclamators were also owned by said Navy.
Posted: 2002-10-17 04:25pm
by AL
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Republic Navy formed at the inception of the Clone Wars had Victory Star Destroyers developed and built shortly after the war's beginning. Acclamators were also owned by said Navy.
Wheres the proof in that statement?
We won't know that until epIII is out.
I've been away for a while
Posted: 2002-10-18 08:12pm
by Carcharodon
XaLEv, just because I haven't been paying attention, exactly when did you join the Dark Side and become a rabid Warsie like all the rest of us? Not that I'm complaining.
Posted: 2002-10-20 04:51am
by Vympel
A small point:
There is no Republic 'Navy'.
There is no Imperial 'Navy'
In the canon: A New Hope; it is referred to as the Starfleet: "dangerous to your starfleet ... not to this battlestation"
Hence, it is Republic or Imperial Starfleet.
There is still room for the Victory-class Star Destroyer (luckily, because it was designed by Rendili Star Drive, not Kuat Drive Yards, it need not have a class name that ends in "-or"); because the EU states that it began to be built near the end of the Clone Wars.
However to contend that the Dreadnought was ever in service with the Republic is obviously wrong: the Republic had no Starfleet of its own to speak of- look at the "Military Creation Act" in Attack of the Clones. They didn't even have a military. It was basically a super-UN, except it retained the current UN's lack of teeth. Until Chancellor Palpatine.
Posted: 2002-10-20 06:46pm
by AL
Vympel wrote:A small point:
There is no Republic 'Navy'.
There is no Imperial 'Navy'
In the canon: A New Hope; it is referred to as the Starfleet: "dangerous to your starfleet ... not to this battlestation"
Hence, it is Republic or Imperial Starfleet.
There is still room for the Victory-class Star Destroyer (luckily, because it was designed by Rendili Star Drive, not Kuat Drive Yards, it need not have a class name that ends in "-or"); because the EU states that it began to be built near the end of the Clone Wars.
However to contend that the Dreadnought was ever in service with the Republic is obviously wrong: the Republic had no Starfleet of its own to speak of- look at the "Military Creation Act" in Attack of the Clones. They didn't even have a military. It was basically a super-UN, except it retained the current UN's lack of teeth. Until Chancellor Palpatine.
Well said I couldnt agree more about the UN part and Military creation act thing, about the VSD, I'm very very skeptical on that issue.
Posted: 2002-10-22 04:00pm
by Spartan
A small point:
There is no Republic 'Navy'.
There is no Imperial 'Navy'
Starfleet or Navy it makes no difference, as its simply the name of the parent organization for military starships. A rose by any other name my friend.
Posted: 2002-10-24 04:00am
by Vympel
Just being anal retentive
(hope Darth Wong doesn't jump in at this point singing of the joys of anal sex)
Besides, Starfleet sounds cooler!
Posted: 2002-10-28 10:32am
by arctic_series
Wheres the proof in that statement?
We won't know that until epIII is out.
well if you're going to accept the 200 gigaton figure for acclamators weapons, you might as well accept the other entries on the same page which states the existence of VSD's.
Re: I've been away for a while
Posted: 2002-10-28 08:06pm
by XaLEv
Carcharodon wrote:XaLEv, just because I haven't been paying attention, exactly when did you join the Dark Side and become a rabid Warsie like all the rest of us? Not that I'm complaining.
I'm not a rabid Warsie. I'm not a Warsie at all; I'm nonaligned. I just don't like inaccurate information being used in debate, and try to point out the correct information when I can.
Posted: 2002-11-01 01:15am
by Kosh_The_Vorlon
AL wrote:
Well said I couldnt agree more about the UN part and Military creation act thing, about the VSD, I'm very very skeptical on that issue.
1. Learn to use the Edit button instead of making a bunch of posts in a row like you did back there.
2. SW canon policy states that if it's in the EU, it's valid unless directly contradicted by on-screen sources. This is why the 200GT exists. Therefor, the Vic is a valid, existing design. Live with it.
Posted: 2002-11-01 01:26am
by Connor MacLeod
AoTC dealt with no standing Army, IIRC. It made no mention of the existence or absence of naval vessels. Saxton addressed the issue of Republican Naval forces under "Prequel Topics:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/preq/galactic.html#navy"
Even if we assume there was no official "navy" in the Republic, they still had space forces at their command. This would in no way prevent the inclusion of Dreadnaughts, which are tiny relative to the massive warships possessed by the sector fleets of larger powers (such as Kuat).
Posted: 2002-11-01 06:47pm
by XaLEv
Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:1. Learn to use the Edit button instead of making a bunch of posts in a row like you did back there.
There is no edit button on this forum.
Posted: 2002-11-03 02:10am
by Kosh_The_Vorlon
XaLEv wrote:Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:1. Learn to use the Edit button instead of making a bunch of posts in a row like you did back there.
There is no edit button on this forum.
Huh..That's odd..I thought I remembered one being here..