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Re: Why so much manual targeting?

Posted: 2013-08-26 09:55am
by Irbis
NecronLord wrote:If the 'obedience-rational' module can fail, which it obviously can as C3-P0 knows the signs of this then it is not impossible to rebel.
Not only it's not impossible to rebel, there's one example of C-3P0 droid after simple operating system hack who did dump pretty much every non-violent rule.
Thanas wrote:The trouble with that argument is that as soon as the gov starts nuking whole worlds or just blasting them apart, at least one or two worlds should go all out with gearing up for war because they would be next. And yet, this never seems to happen.
You mean, if we don't count big upflare in rebellion after Alderaan, that is? :|

Re: Why so much manual targeting?

Posted: 2013-08-26 11:29pm
by RogueIce
There's also Squeaky of the Runaway Droid Ride. Who not only 'rebelled' (albeit non-violently) but even found a loophole of sorts in his Flying Inhibition program to make his escape. So clearly these restrictions are not perfect, assuming said droid has gained enough independence.

Which of course goes into the various ethical issues WRT the treatment of droids in the SW universe which is probably a whole thread in itself.

Re: Why so much manual targeting?

Posted: 2013-09-08 09:54am
by Simon_Jester
lPeregrine wrote:But this falls short when you remember that you have scavengers and scrap dealers selling droids, and they don't seem consider C-3PO (clearly sentient/creative/etc) to be anything more than just another generic piece of farm machinery.
Half-jokingly, I've sometimes wondered if C-3PO is sentient: he seems very much like an idiot savant, with immense knowledge in one area, but absolutely no common sense, ability to take care of himself, or ability to think outside the box.

I don't advance this argument seriously, but it does bear thinking on- just because something is talking doesn't mean it's intelligent.
Also, don't forget that a human soldier requires training, food, shelter, etc, and those things are not cheap. A droid might cost more up front than conscripting a human soldier, but they are significantly cheaper to maintain.
Is it? I'm not entirely sure; do we have evidence of that in Star Wars?

In real life, maintaining a car which sees regular use is roughly an order of magnitude less expensive than maintaining a human being. Maintaining a personal computer is about two orders of magnitude cheaper. Clearly, the cost of maintaining a droid must be at least broadly competitive with that of a human, because we see droids used for roles that it would not be that hard to hire a human to do. But it doesn't have to be all that much less.
biostem wrote:Still, lesser computers abound - like the targeting computer in the X-Wing or even the practice drone Luke used to train. Maybe there is more computer involvement than we directly see - like something to prevent a pilot from oversteering a craft that can do 100's of G's in a turn if things weren't kept in check...
Very possible. We already have those in real life- modern fighter jets would not be flyable without the computer, because they're inherently unstable in flight. This makes them more agile, but also means you need an automatic system monitoring the plane millisecond by millisecond to keep it from plunging into the ground.

Re: Why so much manual targeting?

Posted: 2013-09-10 06:04pm
by biostem
Thinking on the matter further, and touching on some points brought up in the EU - what if droids aren't sentient "out f the box", but if not mindwiped regularly, they *can* become sentient.

Now imagine you have a fleet of 1000's or even millions of fully automated warships - each capable of a BDZ attack. All it would take is one to miss a scheduled wipe, and now you have the threat of a sentient warship that's out of control.

On a smaller scale - imagine if every airspeeder whipping around Coruscant with the potential to become sentient.

Maybe ECW is so widespread and so powerful that a ship's integrated systems, if automated, simply would become non-functional in a targeting capacity?