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And just what did she "do"? What's the purpose of this disciplinary action? He didn't express dissatisfaction with her chores that hadn't already been disciplined by other means, he was merely outraged that she DARED to take issue with her parents' immaculate judgment. For the crime of complaining about parental discipline, in a way not uncharacteristic of teenagers at this stage of their development and impossible for any well-rounded adult to take personally, this cowboy's breathing became short and sharp, and his speech became glib and tense. He was uttery infuriated that she DARED complain about being made to do chores. I complained about my job maybe two or three times today, guess I'd better have some of my things taken from me and smashed or else I'll never learn anything about what it takes to get by in life.
Note that she had already been grounded for this before, so it's almost as if she knew that she would get punished if caught doing this again and done anyway. The demeaning remakr "We have a cleaning lady..." as to why she shouldn't have to clean certain things is damned offensive and disrespectful to the person involved And the entire posts reeks of spoiled brat behavior which I can't believe any parent would condone. She crossed the line from frustration into out and out disrespect when she posted gripes the way she did publically. He even admits that they both learned from this when they aired their greivances out in the open for the world to see. You say you complaiend about her job, she's complaining about the normal chores being asked of her, and then suggested being paid money to do so. I don't recall ever being paid to do chores. Not to mention the fact that she apparently embelished some of the facts in a way that would be embarassing. The whole point was that she was complaining about how hard she had it in an incredibly tasteless way for the whole world to see, and this parent decided to do, in an unconventional way, what any good parent would do. I do not condone or condemn the use of the gun as ultimately it is not the issue at hand yet it gets the most attention because that is how it garnered so much attention.

For crying out loud, this tool rests his whole case for this judgment on an Appeal To Tradtion Fallacy. It's practically a confession that he doesn't know any better and just caved into the urge to lash back at... a teenager being a teenager.
Does a "teenager being a teenager" mean that said teen should go without punishment when they do childish things? Note that in the end the only punishment is that she is grounded and lost computer privileges, which is a completely reasonable punishment that many parents use quite often.
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Yeah, I think the dad is a tool. His method is what's flawed, not the punishment itself.
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I believe him when he says he never meant this incident to grab so much attention
Yes, that's why he posted the video on a public forum where potentally hundreds of people could see it, and if he does actually work in IT he damn well knew that someone was going to put it on youtube, but he never meant for it to get attention.
The whole point was that she was complaining about how hard she had it in an incredibly tasteless way for the whole world to see, and this parent decided to do, in an unconventional way, what any good parent would do. I do not condone or condemn the use of the gun as ultimately it is not the issue at hand yet it gets the most attention because that is how it garnered so much attention.
She grumbled about doing her chores. That's not what teenagers do, that's what people do, they bitch to their friends about haviong to do shit they'd rather not. Yes, most people over the age of 15 don't do it like she did, but she is 15 and that's normal behaviour. His response to that is to destroy her laptop, and video it for the specific purpose of publically humiliating her. Because she was 'rebelious.' I'd hate to see what he did if she did something actually rebelious.
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I believe him when he says he never meant this incident to grab so much attention
Yes, that's why he posted the video on a public forum where potentally hundreds of people could see it, and if he does actually work in IT he damn well knew that someone was going to put it on youtube, but he never meant for it to get attention.
The whole point was that she was complaining about how hard she had it in an incredibly tasteless way for the whole world to see, and this parent decided to do, in an unconventional way, what any good parent would do. I do not condone or condemn the use of the gun as ultimately it is not the issue at hand yet it gets the most attention because that is how it garnered so much attention.
She grumbled about doing her chores. That's not what teenagers do, that's what people do, they bitch to their friends about haviong to do shit they'd rather not. Yes, most people over the age of 15 don't do it like she did, but she is 15 and that's normal behaviour. His response to that is to destroy her laptop, and video it for the specific purpose of publically humiliating her. Because she was 'rebelious.' I'd hate to see what he did if she did something actually rebelious.
Retard, it's not her laptop. It's his laptop to do with as he pleases, be it allow her to use it or shoot it full of holes. And it's normal for teenagers to act like spoiled little cunts, but when they do it's also normal for them to be punished for it.
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Yeah, fine, punish her. Do it reasobnably and responsibly. Ground the kid, or make her do extra chores, or take her laptop off her for a few weeks, don't empty your surrogate cock into the laptop and post it on the net so you and people like you can jerk off to it whenever you feel like it.
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Alkaloid wrote: Yes, that's why he posted the video on a public forum where potentally hundreds of people could see it, and if he does actually work in IT he damn well knew that someone was going to put it on youtube, but he never meant for it to get attention.
Posting a video on youtube = millions of people will see it? Of course he posted it where it would grab attention from a few dozen, maybe a hundred people or so, but I find it reasonable to think that it wouldn't have anywhere even close to two million hits within a couple of days of posting, and now somewhere north of twenty million and getting to the point where it has become a nationwide topic of discussion.
She grumbled about doing her chores. That's not what teenagers do, that's what people do, they bitch to their friends about haviong to do shit they'd rather not. Yes, most people over the age of 15 don't do it like she did, but she is 15 and that's normal behaviour. His response to that is to destroy her laptop, and video it for the specific purpose of publically humiliating her. Because she was 'rebelious.' I'd hate to see what he did if she did something actually rebelious.
So did you actually read what she said? She basically called out her parents and tried to paint them in an incredibly harsh light. It crossed the line from grumbling about chores to unacceptable behavior.
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Alkaloid wrote:Yeah, fine, punish her. Do it reasobnably and responsibly. Ground the kid, or make her do extra chores, or take her laptop off her for a few weeks, don't empty your surrogate cock into the laptop and post it on the net so you and people like you can jerk off to it whenever you feel like it.
She is grounded and will be doing extra chores. But remember it isn't HER laptop, let's say he had given it away or sold it, would you still be grumbling about it?

No, the only thing you are making internet outrage over is the fact that he destroyed the computer, which wasn't practical and garnered a lot of attention.
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Posting a video on youtube = millions of people will see it? Of course he posted it where it would grab attention from a few dozen, maybe a hundred people or so, but I find it reasonable to think that it wouldn't have anywhere even close to two million hits within a couple of days of posting, and now somewhere north of twenty million and getting to the point where it has become a nationwide topic of discussion.
Have you been on the internet? This is the place where pictures of cats with poorly spelled text became an all encompassing phenomenon, a guy mocking his daughter and shooting her laptop into scrap is virtually guaranteed to go viral.
So did you actually read what she said? She basically called out her parents and tried to paint them in an incredibly harsh light. It crossed the line from grumbling about chores to unacceptable behavior.
Of course I read it. Do I think her complaints were reasonably, was she being worked to the bone? No. But seriously, kid calls out parents, attempts to falsely depict them as tyrants? What in this is anything other than more or less normal teen behaviour? What justifies taking her laptop (yes, I'm calling it hers because her father repeatedly says it was hers, and I don't normally assume gifts stiff belong to the giver after they have been given) and publicly destroying it while mocking her?
She is grounded and will be doing extra chores. But remember it isn't HER laptop, let's say he had given it away or sold it, would you still be grumbling about it?

No, the only thing you are making internet outrage over is the fact that he destroyed the computer, which wasn't practical and garnered a lot of attention.
Yes, frankly. In no circumstance do I see this being good parenting. I can see situations where a parent might be driven to this, if every time she was told to do her chores she threw a screaming fit and began smashing windows, punching holes in walls and the like, but she wasn't. She did her chores, and expressed on facebook that she didn't like doing them and thought her parents were unreasonable.
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Alkaloid wrote: Have you been on the internet? This is the place where pictures of cats with poorly spelled text became an all encompassing phenomenon, a guy mocking his daughter and shooting her laptop into scrap is virtually guaranteed to go viral.
Which of course guarantees that this was likely to happen, rather than be a complete fluke. People post goofball shit odd videos and other stuff on youtube all the time and yet not every video has millions of hits.
Of course I read it. Do I think her complaints were reasonably, was she being worked to the bone? No. But seriously, kid calls out parents, attempts to falsely depict them as tyrants? What in this is anything other than more or less normal teen behaviour? What justifies taking her laptop (yes, I'm calling it hers because her father repeatedly says it was hers, and I don't normally assume gifts stiff belong to the giver after they have been given) and publicly destroying it while mocking her?
Do you really think it's appropriate to complain publically and backhandedly like that over inane bullshit? Because that's not how the real world works and that's what the dad was trying to get across.
Yes, frankly. In no circumstance do I see this being good parenting. I can see situations where a parent might be driven to this, if every time she was told to do her chores she threw a screaming fit and began smashing windows, punching holes in walls and the like, but she wasn't. She did her chores, and expressed on facebook that she didn't like doing them and thought her parents were unreasonable.
I repeat, she was warned about this once prior, so she knew what was considered acceptable behavior by her parents. Now in what real world situation is it appropriate to publically complain in a fashion that is potentially embarassing and humiliating to others in such a way (demonizing her parents when others could see it but they couldn't)? It is the role of a parent to correct a child's behavior when they are acting improperly and many people believe, rightfully so in my opinion, that stunts like this are clearly not appropriate. This is not equivalent to being upset and generally bitching about chores in private, This is the equivalent of taking out an ad in the paper and broadcasting it to as many people as possible in an attempt to paint someone in a negative light.
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Re: Facebook Parenting (Viral video)

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I'm not going to trust this guy's word at 100%; then again, I have personal experience with a parent that was a pathological liar, and was very manipulative. So, please feel free to think that I am "biased" on this issue.

I'm trying to think of how him publicly humiliating his daughter to the entire Internet is in any way equal to her publicly ranting about her parents, most likely to a circle of her friends. I mean, as people have mentioned this is probably normal teenager bullshit, and had it stayed private would have just been quickly flooded over with more teenager bullshit. Now that it has gone viral, this could possibly stick with Hannah for a very long time, and he as an "IT person" should know this.

Right now, all that we know is - basically - she posted a rant about her parents on Facebook. If this is just normal teen bitching and whining, then by all means she was a dipshit and should be rightfully punished. But this punishment is so excessive that I wouldn't be surprised if she was just faking her "positive" attitude after the event. If anything, I would be scared of him because he basically used a fucking gun to exact retribution on her through the laptop she used.

Speaking of retribution... I'm also trying to think of what the point of this video even was in the first place. Was it to make her listen? Well, it'll only make her withhold more information from you out of fear, thanks to your macho-man gunplay. Was it for plain vengeance? If so, then you are even more immature than your own daughter, and this shows a lot more about you than her Mr. Tough Man.
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Which of course guarantees that this was likely to happen, rather than be a complete fluke. People post goofball shit odd videos and other stuff on youtube all the time and yet not every video has millions of hits.
Look at my post, I actually said potentially hundreds (because of where it was posted, actually the hundreds most relevant, because they may actually know her personally), because he posted it on her facebook wall, the same place where you feel her complaints were inappropriately public, although I'm willing to accept that millions would almost certainly see it because, again, this is the fucking internet and shit like this is popular here.
Do you really think it's appropriate to complain publically and backhandedly like that over inane bullshit? Because that's not how the real world works and that's what the dad was trying to get across.
And instead, what he actually got across was that people in position of authority can take your possessions because you said things about them they don't like, destroy them in whatever manner they see fit, broadcast it to anyone who cares to tune in, and you are expected to not only accept this, but actually pay for the privilege. Land of free speech, rah rah!
I repeat, she was warned about this once prior, so she knew what was considered acceptable behavior by her parents. Now in what real world situation is it appropriate to publically complain in a fashion that is potentially embarassing and humiliating to others in such a way (demonizing her parents when others could see it but they couldn't)? It is the role of a parent to correct a child's behavior when they are acting improperly and many people believe, rightfully so in my opinion, that stunts like this are clearly not appropriate. This is not equivalent to being upset and generally bitching about chores in private, This is the equivalent of taking out an ad in the paper and broadcasting it to as many people as possible in an attempt to paint someone in a negative light.
And if she took out an add in the paper calling her parents tyrants, this would still be an issue. Stunts like hers are not appropriate. Fair enough, I don't think children should be encouraged to lie or swear unreasonably either. Neither do i think that her parents should get their panties in a twist because their daughter was 'disrespectful' and used the dreaded naughty words, and then react by essentially throwing a tantrum and smashing her things. An actual reasoned and measured approach might have worked. That speech he gave. The one he posted on facebook, which he deliberately took steps to ensure she couldn't access. That might have been more effective if he had actually given it to her. And then not thrown a tantrum. Just, you know, made her delete the post, explain why it was inappropriate, ensure she wouldn't do it again and then applied a reasonable punishment.

I'm not really surprised he finds her disrespectful, because going from this video the man is simply a bully, not someone worthy of respect.
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The issue that I have with this situation is not that the that the video was posted on YouTube, or that child was disciplined, but that such an absurdly over-the-top method was used. The usage of a gun can be interpreted as nothing more than an implicit threat directed at the child, and this behaviour is so far beyond the pale for a parent that it isn't even funny any more. If the parent wanted to discipline the child they could have simply removed the laptop from the child's possession; directing such excessive violence at the object in this situation (whether or not the laptop was owned by the child) borders on child abuse.
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Everyone in this thread should post their age so we can gauge just what spoiled brats you are. I'm 30.
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I'm 22. And I'm sure you'll be enormously comforted that you can dismiss everything I've said now that you know you're older than I am. Bravo.
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SCRawl wrote:He said that he was going to post the video on her Facebook page, so he'd have to have access to her account to do that. He said that he worked in IT, so it wouldn't shock me to find out that he had installed a keylogger on her laptop. As Thanas pointed out, he's a dick.
Fisher pointed this out but I'll explain a bit more; you don't need access to her account, just to be friends with her, or if she's as dumb as the average uset, her account could be totally open for everyone to see.

No need for nefarious shit. Personally I thought it was hilarious because of what we learned about both of them.
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^ Heh, shows you what I know about Facebook. I have an account, which I barely use.

Full disclosure regarding my opinion that it's a dick move: I'm a father (age: 40) of daughters, though the oldest is just seven. I suppose that I could get angry enough to smash something of theirs to make a point, but I'm pretty sure that if I took the time to set up a video camera, work out a rough script, load a pistol, etc. I'd have calmed down enough to think better of it.
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Yeah I have two kids, wouldn't go that far but would probably just confiscate the computer.
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I'm 26, with a 3 year old son, for disclosure.

At anyrate, I think the father's reaction was over-the-top, but not horribly egregious or likely to, in and of itself, completely ruin his daughter's life and force her to mainline heroin under bridges in Eastern Europe or something of that nature. Seems to be a bit of a tough guy response, and my and my wife have agreed that should our son pull shit like this when he's a teenager to either sell off the computer or to reformat it and use it for personal use with a strong password to keep him from using it. But, hey, it was the dad's laptop anyway, so I suppose he could waste his own time and money if he felt it necessary rather than something more practical.

Also, at least he also seems to be using the resulting media backlash to show his daughter that, yes, shit you put on the internet can haunt you.
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I'm frankly more bothered that "she had been warned in the past about this behavior". What, did the family dog magically stumble on each of these posts? Because if he didn't, it sounds like he is monitoring what she posts on Facebook. Yes, as her father and the owner of the laptop, he has the technical right to. I still find the idea of policing the Facebook posts of one's children to be... scary, not to say controlling.

And yeah, using parental authority in a bullying fashion = bad parenting lesson.

On the other hand.... JESUS, what a brat.
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Faqa wrote:I'm frankly more bothered that "she had been warned in the past about this behavior". What, did the family dog magically stumble on each of these posts? Because if he didn't, it sounds like he is monitoring what she posts on Facebook. Yes, as her father and the owner of the laptop, he has the technical right to. I still find the idea of policing the Facebook posts of one's children to be... scary, not to say controlling.

And yeah, using parental authority in a bullying fashion = bad parenting lesson.

On the other hand.... JESUS, what a brat.
He also said that the dog only had the family members as friends on Facebook, so if the daughter was the latest family member to post, he would have seen it.

Also: despite growing up with the technology, how many teenagers really know what the fuck they're doing with Facebook? I have a 13 year old cousin who friended me on Facebook, and I've told his mother numerous times about the stupid shit he pulls. Some monitoring/policing is necessary simply because most teenagers don't think about consequences to their actions.
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He seemed particularly bent out of shape at his daughters friends thinking badly of him and wanted to show what a tough guy he is. I don't think exposing yourself to be a hybrid between Yosemite Sam and a stuttering Porky Pig is going to make her friends think he's any less of a joke. And if he thinks his daughter is spoiled and doesn't appreciate what she has I don't think the solution is to senselessly destroy an expensive material possession. He doesn't look like he appreciates what he has either.
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Destructionator XIII wrote:There's more reasons than profit to restrict duplication. He might not want something to become a further embarrassment down the line, or for people to misattribute an impersonation to him (he's said a few times about how he doesn't want the words to be edited or changed).
If he's in IT he should know that trying to suppress this is futile. It still smells like bullshit.
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Dragon Angel wrote:I'm not going to trust this guy's word at 100%; then again, I have personal experience with a parent that was a pathological liar, and was very manipulative. So, please feel free to think that I am "biased" on this issue.
I am sorry for your past experiences, however one of your parents being a liar does not make all other people's parents liars. This guy has been under such media scrutiny I doubt that any actual abuse is going to go hidden for long, and if this girl really wanted to I'm sure she could find a way to get that message across. Also note that the video references the fact that the girl disrespected her mother and stepmother, so there is a family dynamic there where the divorced/unmarried parents agree on this. I can't imagine in that scenario one parent would cover up the abuse by the other.
I'm trying to think of how him publicly humiliating his daughter to the entire Internet is in any way equal to her publicly ranting about her parents, most likely to a circle of her friends. I mean, as people have mentioned this is probably normal teenager bullshit, and had it stayed private would have just been quickly flooded over with more teenager bullshit. Now that it has gone viral, this could possibly stick with Hannah for a very long time, and he as an "IT person" should know this.
Do you realize what you just wrote? They posted their comments in the SAME PLACE, on a specific facebook wall. The same number of people have access to both. You are basically condemning him for doing the same thing she had already done at least twice, and the only thing he is really guilty of his doing something catchier.
Right now, all that we know is - basically - she posted a rant about her parents on Facebook. If this is just normal teen bitching and whining, then by all means she was a dipshit and should be rightfully punished. But this punishment is so excessive that I wouldn't be surprised if she was just faking her "positive" attitude after the event. If anything, I would be scared of him because he basically used a fucking gun to exact retribution on her through the laptop she used.
Translation: "Well, because I can't find any statements to support my position out there, i'll just toss out a theory that I think might be true but really has litte to no basis in reality."
Speaking of retribution... I'm also trying to think of what the point of this video even was in the first place. Was it to make her listen? Well, it'll only make her withhold more information from you out of fear, thanks to your macho-man gunplay. Was it for plain vengeance? If so, then you are even more immature than your own daughter, and this shows a lot more about you than her Mr. Tough Man.
Yes because shooting inanimate objects is clearly the sign of a tough guy.
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Re: Facebook Parenting (Viral video)

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Alkaloid wrote: Look at my post, I actually said potentially hundreds (because of where it was posted, actually the hundreds most relevant, because they may actually know her personally), because he posted it on her facebook wall, the same place where you feel her complaints were inappropriately public, although I'm willing to accept that millions would almost certainly see it because, again, this is the fucking internet and shit like this is popular here.
Easy for you to say after the video has already gone viral. "Millions would almost certainly see it." Don't make me laugh.
And instead, what he actually got across was that people in position of authority can take your possessions because you said things about them they don't like, destroy them in whatever manner they see fit, broadcast it to anyone who cares to tune in, and you are expected to not only accept this, but actually pay for the privilege. Land of free speech, rah rah!
*SHOCK!* Parents can take away their kids toys/gadgets! This has fuck all to do with free speech.
And if she took out an add in the paper calling her parents tyrants, this would still be an issue. Stunts like hers are not appropriate. Fair enough, I don't think children should be encouraged to lie or swear unreasonably either. Neither do i think that her parents should get their panties in a twist because their daughter was 'disrespectful' and used the dreaded naughty words, and then react by essentially throwing a tantrum and smashing her things. An actual reasoned and measured approach might have worked. That speech he gave. The one he posted on facebook, which he deliberately took steps to ensure she couldn't access. That might have been more effective if he had actually given it to her. And then not thrown a tantrum. Just, you know, made her delete the post, explain why it was inappropriate, ensure she wouldn't do it again and then applied a reasonable punishment.
What is unreasonable about being grounded and having a laptop taken away? You are confusing the over the top method of destroying the laptop with the punishment itself, and judging by follow up stuff that we have the family appears to have moved on from this far faster than everyone else. Or do you just write that entire article off as "lies" too?
I'm not really surprised he finds her disrespectful, because going from this video the man is simply a bully, not someone worthy of respect.
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Re: Facebook Parenting (Viral video)

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Darth Fanboy wrote:I am sorry for your past experiences, however one of your parents being a liar does not make all other people's parents liars. This guy has been under such media scrutiny I doubt that any actual abuse is going to go hidden for long, and if this girl really wanted to I'm sure she could find a way to get that message across. Also note that the video references the fact that the girl disrespected her mother and stepmother, so there is a family dynamic there where the divorced/unmarried parents agree on this. I can't imagine in that scenario one parent would cover up the abuse by the other.
While I, of course, do not think that all parents are liars (now that would just be silly), I am not going to take this guy's word as full gospel either. I held off on accusing him of abuse for a reason. But I doubt that him and his daughter's relationship has been healthy for a long time. Him going 8-bullets on a laptop out of complete rage on the Internet is enough to make me think that he is not the most mentally sound of people, and as the only one with a voice in this he has all the room to stretch a truth here or there.
Do you realize what you just wrote? They posted their comments in the SAME PLACE, on a specific facebook wall. The same number of people have access to both. You are basically condemning him for doing the same thing she had already done at least twice, and the only thing he is really guilty of his doing something catchier.
He posted the video on his wall, while according to the story she posted her rant on her own wall. Where are you getting this "posting in the same specific place" from?
Translation: "Well, because I can't find any statements to support my position out there, i'll just toss out a theory that I think might be true but really has litte to no basis in reality."
Yeah, let's not try to think about this too much. That would be hard!

Put yourself in her position. Your father just decided to make a display and shoot a laptop for everyone to see, as an example to you. Shoot a laptop. He used a gun to drive his point across. Are you really going to, as a 15-year old, ignore that detail? Seriously?

This is how children grow up with screwed-up thoughts.

And before you stretch this and say "no he's not going to point a gun and shoot his daughter", no, I don't believe he is stupid enough to actually do that. But that is me being charitable. The image of this example being stuck in her mind, though, is a real possibility. As is the fear that would generate. And he wants to try to fix a broken relationship with this Yosemite Sam solution?
Yes because shooting inanimate objects is clearly the sign of a tough guy.
It is, because there are many other actually civil and more effective ways in which he could have handled this, as many people in this thread have mentioned. And I'm sure that he isn't the only parent in the world who has had a mouthy, rebellious teen. But he chose to use a gun, on YouTube. You read the subtext here.

I myself don't care if he was raised in a "tough love" life either. Actually, I rewatched that video: "lived on my own, worked two jobs, was a volunteer fireman, attended college while in high school"... Wow, what a detail I missed.

I have known people in situations like that, and even I find half of this hard to believe. I can believe that he lived on his own, worked in two jobs, and went to high school all at once. But also working as a volunteer fireman and taking college classes at the same time? Are you fucking joking me? That kind of super-exaggeration sounds all too familiar to me.

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