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Their vast empire was devoted to hedonism for centuries, if not millennia.
Star Wars can make up in quantity what 40K have in quality. How many violent deaths did it take to taint the warp? Because if it is less than a quadrillion, they will pull it off in less than a century.
Why would the acts of the Imperium, made up of a species which is significantly more psychic than the Tau and their client species, matter in this case? Have you ever even heard of a Kroot psyker?
They do have several human worlds, although given the Tau, probably lightly populated. It wouldn't have a major effect on the galaxy, but it would be odd to have alot of people who have force powers that are not force powers come from one planet. Except they get it from tapping into the warp...

Yeah, if the warp doesn't come with them, you don't see any major reprecussions. And then everything I have said is pointless and since the OP implies it doesn't... sorry for wasting your time.
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This thread was not intended to have Chaos play a factor. No Chaos influences that could give rise to dark gods have been brought along with the Tau Empire.

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Zor wrote:This thread was not intended to have Chaos play a factor. No Chaos influences that could give rise to dark gods have been brought along with the Tau Empire.

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Than the Tau are insighnificant. They have worlds numbering in the hundreds to Wars billions and their race was outnumbered by a single hive world, which Wars has even bigger versions of. They get crushed in the coming expansion of the Galactic Empire under Palpatine.
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bobnik wrote:Slaanesh wasn't created by a single ritual, it was millennia upon millenia of depraved activities that did it.
Incorrect.
Vision of the Fall of the Eldar, Bill King, Farseer, P214 wrote: Centuries passed, then millennia, and the cities grew. As they did so the images became darker, the people more debauched. More and more power borought greater and greater wealth and luxury, and that in turn, brought spiritual corruption. He saw the eldar grow corrupt. He saw great orgies of indulgence and torchlit rallies where painted prophets spoke words of wickedness to a willing audience. One of them was somehow familiar. It was not anything about his appearance: it was his aura. It was the same as the demon Janus had encountered in his last vision. It was in some strange way Shaha Gaathon or someone possessed by him. He moved through the crowds talking and preaching, hidden by potent spells from even the psychic senses of the eldar. The Harbinger of Slaanesh, come to prepare the way for the god's birth.

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The days grew darked, strange savage rites stained the streets with blood, and eldar hunted eldar for pleasure through the streets of the city. Red garbed priests rose, preaching the coming of a new god, a deity created by the eldar themselves, who would lead them into an age of ever greater wonders and life everlasting. Janus did not know how he understood what was going on, but he did. It unreeled before his eyes like scenes from a vast pagent.
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Then came a day when a mighty ritual was performed under the supervision of those perverse and dedicated priests, the ritual they promised would usher in a new age of even greater splendour and pleasure. He saw the faces of the crowd aglow as they watched the rituals being performed. He saw the creation of mighty fortices of energy linked between many worlds. He saw the pride and the power written on every face, and then saw the horror enter their expressions as the watchers realised that something had gone wrong.
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The priests emerged from the shrine of Asuryan [ed. virtuous priests, if you've not guessed] armed with their weapon that had been so long in forging. it was a blade that glowed brighter than the sun, and was pregnant with the power of death, a blade powered by the mighty spirit engines that slept beneath the temple. They came for Shaha Gaathon, the dark prophet. The leader of the priests cut and wounded him, and the prophet vanished, fleeing beyond their reach. Filled with triumph the eldar high priest turned on the newborn god.

He struck the growing thing and wounded it, but it was not enough. The new being was too strong. It threw itself at the priests and consumed them, and they died scremaing in ecstasy and horror. The few that survived snatched up the sword and were driven back within their fotress temple. They forced closed the doors, but not even the mighty seals they invoked could save them. The tentacles of the dark god reached into the heart of the temple, found them and consumed them. All save the one who bore the blade, who sealed himself into the ultimate sanctuary beneath the temple and vanished behind its spell walls.
Do you seriously think the Black Library contains the secrets of creating a warp god, and the Eldar never used those secrets?

The depravity created the potential for Slanessh, but it was the ritual that brought it into existance.
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open_sketchbook wrote:Well, we better hope some vestigial warp forms with the Empire's arrival, or, well, it won't be pretty for the Tau Empire. Things don't tend to go too well for 40k residents without souls.
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Samuel wrote:They would be like Jedi, except much more common. I'm pretty sure that the number of psychers is much higher per person than force ability in Star Wars- you have entire species that have so few members it only pops up occasionally, while 40K has enough that they have to send ships on occasion to every world. Of course, this cold be biased based on the Jedi ignoring people with slight ability, while the Inquisition cannot.
Arrgh. What is it with people saying 'psychers' these days?

Anyway. WH40K humanity is developing to becom universally psychic like the eldar. That is why the incidence is so high. Until the Age of Strife, human psykers were phonomenally rare outside of the Navigators.
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NecronLord wrote:
bobnik wrote:Slaanesh wasn't created by a single ritual, it was millennia upon millenia of depraved activities that did it.
Incorrect.
Vision of the Fall of the Eldar, Bill King, Farseer, P214 wrote: <snip>
Do you seriously think the Black Library contains the secrets of creating a warp god, and the Eldar never used those secrets?

The depravity created the potential for Slanessh, but it was the ritual that brought it into existance.
Most of the other fluff implies that the Eldar almost completely unwittingly raised Slaanesh, and that s/he simply awoke when s/he gained critical mass. I wish GW would keep their canon straight.
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Most of the other fluff implies that the Eldar almost completely unwittingly raised Slaanesh, and that s/he simply awoke when s/he gained critical mass. I wish GW would keep their canon straight.
Most of the other background info isn't actually saying anything other than "eldar debauchery and vice = Slaanesh"

This isn't a case of keeping "not keeping the canon straight at all".
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Rabbit is correct. As far as I can recall, and I've read a lot of fluff pertaining to the fall, there is no direct statement that addresses whether or not the creation of Slaanesh was a conscious act. The majority of it simply reads along the lines of, "after centuries of decadence, a vile God was borne of their hedonism." or something similar.

Even Eldrad Ulthran does not address the subject directly, merely referring to Slaanesh was a creature that [the Eldar] "in our reckless pursuit of hedonistic indulgence, gave birth to."
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Tau basically do whatever the fuck they want out in the ass-end of space, we know from plenty of sources that by this time the Republic couldn't enforce things out there even if they wanted to and that such things were the norm. They either get dragged into the Clone Wars and do about as well as any other small power does in them (read as: gets absorbed into the Empire after their worlds are devastated by the two armies), of while aggressively spreading the Greater Good they over reach and piss off one of the Great Powers, who roll in and annihilate them (eg while expanding they take over a system that houses a KDY shipyard and Kuat decided to punish them for it)
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I don't thinkthe godmaking ritual is irreconcilable with the idea that Slaanesh came into being on her own; when the twisted nexus in the warp got thick enough, it may have influenced the Eldar subconsciously into taking that final step, completing it and giving it the freedom and independence it wanted.


On topic, the Republic is already pretty much a proponent of the greater good (non-capitalized), so the Tau should fit in just fine. Of course, the Greater Good (capitalized) is just a thinly veiled excuse for their expansionist ambitions.
The Tau Ethereals will probably end up being another nasty little group going for a power grab through politics or something, but they'd get lost in the shuffle.. I'm sure SW has plenty of those already.
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Cykeisme wrote:I don't thinkthe godmaking ritual is irreconcilable with the idea that Slaanesh came into being on her own; when the twisted nexus in the warp got thick enough, it may have influenced the Eldar subconsciously into taking that final step, completing it and giving it the freedom and independence it wanted.
That's the idea there, it'd actually given birth at least one greater demon, (Shaha Gaathon) which went around urging the Eldar that they should create a new pleasure god. But it was nonetheless, them that brought it into existance - if they'd listened to their farseers, they wouldn't have done it.

But then, if they'd listened to their farseers, they'd have not got into that mess in the first place.
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NecronLord wrote:
Cykeisme wrote:I don't thinkthe godmaking ritual is irreconcilable with the idea that Slaanesh came into being on her own; when the twisted nexus in the warp got thick enough, it may have influenced the Eldar subconsciously into taking that final step, completing it and giving it the freedom and independence it wanted.
That's the idea there, it'd actually given birth at least one greater demon, (Shaha Gaathon) which went around urging the Eldar that they should create a new pleasure god. But it was nonetheless, them that brought it into existance - if they'd listened to their farseers, they wouldn't have done it.

But then, if they'd listened to their farseers, they'd have not got into that mess in the first place.
Was there any clouding of the Farseers abilities? (As was the case when the Chaos gods corrupted Horus, at least vis a vis the Emperor), or did everyone ignore their reliable, proven prophets going "We see the death of the empire! doom and destruction! in no uncertain terms, if you don't stop, we'll all die! Seriously, cut it out guys! Guys? Stop orgasming when i'm talking to you!"
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No. At the time, the Farsighted eldar said 'bad shit is happening' - the first waves fled as Exodites, and later generations fled on craftworlds. So clearly there were doomsayers running around saying that a bad end was coming.
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NecronLord wrote:No. At the time, the Farsighted eldar said 'bad shit is happening' - the first waves fled as Exodites, and later generations fled on craftworlds. So clearly there were doomsayers running around saying that a bad end was coming.
Still, it's pretty suprising that the best they could do was make some people/planets flee, the Eldar can see what a group of people will do in 10,000 years on a planet, predicting the end of their civilization due to being eaten by the Apocalypse Vagina should be readily accepted. (Though, true, the script has the priests taking a sword to the "prophet").
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DEATH wrote:
NecronLord wrote:No. At the time, the Farsighted eldar said 'bad shit is happening' - the first waves fled as Exodites, and later generations fled on craftworlds. So clearly there were doomsayers running around saying that a bad end was coming.
Still, it's pretty suprising that the best they could do was make some people/planets flee, the Eldar can see what a group of people will do in 10,000 years on a planet, predicting the end of their civilization due to being eaten by the Apocalypse Vagina should be readily accepted. (Though, true, the script has the priests taking a sword to the "prophet").
Perhaps this could be made into another thread?

I wonder if the future became somewhat addictive to the Eldar. If only 1 in a million Eldar was strong enough to turn away from their nature to run away from the fall (no idea of the true number just picked at random) then perhaps only one in a million far seers was strong enough as well. Maybe they all saw and felt the future but the vast majority of them became hooked / corrupted and said yep the future's fine one big orgy for ever, nothing to worry about and only the small minorty saw the problem with this. Given how exact a science prodiction is for Eldar it would be like one scientist in a field saying bad things are going to happen and the rest saying nope everythings fine.
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I think we can quite confidently divide the possibilities, sparing the details, into two distinct categories:
1) The masses were unaware
2) They knew, but didn't care

Considering the Eldar are supposed to feel emotions and sensations many times more intensely than a human being, ithat might explain how the second came to pass. They could've known but simply denied it, since having fun is so much.. fun.

I like how Death and Bedlam put it..
Bedlam wrote:Given how exact a science prediction is for Eldar it would be like one scientist in a field saying bad things are going to happen and the rest saying nope everythings fine.
DEATH wrote:"We see the death of the empire! doom and destruction! in no uncertain terms, if you don't stop, we'll all die! Seriously, cut it out guys! Guys? Stop orgasming when i'm talking to you!"
When taken in combination, it outlines a highly plausible situation.
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Bedlam wrote:
DEATH wrote:
NecronLord wrote:No. At the time, the Farsighted eldar said 'bad shit is happening' - the first waves fled as Exodites, and later generations fled on craftworlds. So clearly there were doomsayers running around saying that a bad end was coming.
Still, it's pretty suprising that the best they could do was make some people/planets flee, the Eldar can see what a group of people will do in 10,000 years on a planet, predicting the end of their civilization due to being eaten by the Apocalypse Vagina should be readily accepted. (Though, true, the script has the priests taking a sword to the "prophet").
Perhaps this could be made into another thread?
"How well can Eldar predict things" has been done before, and quickly devolved into wanking, "Chaos did it" and "Necrons know everything".
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