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I actually like Shep's idea of a post-nuclear holocaust.

I'm signing off Cya in some hours.

To expand, you could make it so that each "level" is a certain amount of points.

Like say you get 100 points and it breaks down as this:

Imperium - 100 points
Tsardom - 80 points
Kingdom - 60 points
Principality - 40 points
Duchy - 20 points

And you could purchase from there? Each level worked out so there's a semblence of balance, but then there would be advantages and disadvanatges to having only one Imperium as opposed to having five Duchies, or one Kingdom and two Duchies, etc.

EDIT: And instead of having to use your points on territories, you could use remaining points to build up your one territory if you only want one landmass to deal with.

EDIT2: Basically you can choose between say, having one Imperium and be a big bad country, or ruling over five smaller countries as some sort of Union or whatever. Or a mix of the two. Like say you're a Kingdom but you have two Duchy-level colonies out there...

*sigh*

I say we keep it simple.

The only problem last time was for the Duchies, they were too poor. And, well... the finances given to us really weren't big enough.

We just upgrade our GDPs, that's it. Duchies start out with 300 mil. As I've said before.



Duchies get Saudi Arabia's - 300 billion (OR Hong Kong, for 200 billion)

Principalities get Sweden - 500 billion

Kingdoms get Netherlands's GDP - 750 billion

Tsardoms get Canada - 1.4 trillion

Imperiums get twice that, Germany - 3 trillion


That's it. Too many technicalities and game mechanics is too hard. We were going very fine the last time - the only problems were that Duchies were marginalized and that Shep and Skim were being DICKS.

With the dickery hopefully gone, all we have to do is just give the Duchies an infusion of cash and size, and we're all good to go!

Since it's been a lot of fun seeing you folks deal, ally, contra-deal and backstab, I'd like to join the new game. As a piddling Duchy most likely - but hey, something's better than nothing .

We've had an audience all this time?

We need to keep it simple to start, that will encourage more participation, and not make it so that only the number-crunchers have the advantage.

Let's put several small Duchies and the like together on one landmass, and have borders-- that way they won't be hobbled by needing to maintain a navy for trade. We can also make the landmass they are on a rather resource-rich place, so they have a pretty nice economy to make up for their small sizes. Kind of like a collection of Switzerlands and Monacos.

If someone specifically wants a small island paradise (liek WesFox had, for example) they can do that, and have a heft economy based off of offshore deposits of stuff and tourism.

Otherwise, let's agglomerate some of the larger Kingdoms and Tsardoms together so that there's at least two governments per landmass.

Only Imperiums would qualify for a landmass all their own.

And we could sprinkle in a few small Duchy-size or Kingdom-size governments on the edges as NPCs. When a new player shows up, we pick one and say "there's been a revolution, and a new leader arises!" and they step in.

Too bad-- I loved Canissia!

SIEGE TANK!

Side with me, mang. We're going to save the world this time 'round!

I'm going to resurrect my empire, but this time, it will be proper: Byzantine Empire.

And I want more of Greece and land all the way down to Syria and Jerusalem.

I don't mind cohabiting with Stas. He can have all the Balkans all the way to Ukraine.

Would we want to use a duplicate of the actual Earth, or a whole new world?

And how much of the history carries over? Are we basically playing our descendants, who bear remarkable similarities to us?

Coyote wrote:We've had an audience all this time?

Yep! Siegey is an old buddy and our exploits give him the lulz! He was also in the game during the REALLY early stages.

Too bad-- I loved Canissia!

Why surrender Sparta when you can keep it, Leonidas! And carry Shroom's standard into the heart of Europa!

Seriously. I'd love to see a lot of old familiars and favorites return. PeZookia, for sure. And the Red Technocracy, Shinra, CANISSIA!

This will be the spiritual successor and sequel to SDN World.

As those crazy Metal Gear Solid villains say:

IT'S NOT OVER YET!



Fingolfin: Stas already uses an inverted map of Russia. Perhaps he can expand that map to include bits of Europe, and you can be included as well?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:SIEGE TANK!

Side with me, mang. We're going to save the world this time 'round!

*Peers at postcount.*

"We must join with Him, Gandalf. We must join with Shroom Man. It would be wise, my friend..."

I don't mind sharing a landmass with some nations of roughly similar size, as long as there's a decent shoreline somewhere in my newfangled duchy.

(Speaking of which, what are the requirements for duchy/principality/kingdom/etc. again?)

Coyote wrote:Would we want to use a duplicate of the actual Earth, or a whole new world?

And how much of the history carries over? Are we basically playing our descendants, who bear remarkable similarities to us?

I'd think it'd be a whole new world. There would be some similarities (I'm going to be the Shinra Republic again, for instance) but it's basically a clean slate (though we personally might remember SDN World of old).

Think of it as Q saying "Well, that's done now" for the old SDN World, and deciding to start a new sandbox with slightly different conditions to see what we do with it.

For reference:

HERE is where I got the awesome MAP OF SHROOMANIA.

HERE and HERE are other maps you guys can use for the land masses!

DUDES! These maps are from Ace Combat and Ace Combat is AWESOME!

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Fingolfin: Stas already uses an inverted map of Russia. Perhaps he can expand that map to include bits of Europe, and you can be included as well?

Oh that would be excellent. Saves money and travel time for the Ecumenical Patriarch.

I'm basically going to be an independent island myself, though hopefully placed somewhere near some of my MESS allies or other friends.

Mostly because I already have a map of an island and don't want to go through the trouble to make a new one.

I'll keep the Spain map, with Portugal cut out, and link the rest of it to a larger landmass. Maybe even just do a Spain-Europe-Russia thing, with everyone else cut away, so it doesn't look too familiar (ie, Central & Southeast Asia, Middle East, Africa cut away).

Coyote wrote:I'll keep the Spain map, with Portugal cut out, and link the rest of it to a larger landmass. Maybe even just do a Spain-Europe-Russia thing, with everyone else cut away, so it doesn't look too familiar (ie, Central & Southeast Asia, Middle East, Africa cut away).

Perhaps if you did that you could hook up with Stas and Fingolfin on their little landmass?

I wouldn't mind being the overly large island near your little mini-continent.

You guys should seriously consider using this.

I already got dibs on the Usean Continent.

RogueIce wrote:

Coyote wrote:I'll keep the Spain map, with Portugal cut out, and link the rest of it to a larger landmass. Maybe even just do a Spain-Europe-Russia thing, with everyone else cut away, so it doesn't look too familiar (ie, Central & Southeast Asia, Middle East, Africa cut away).

Perhaps if you did that you could hook up with Stas and Fingolfin on their little landmass?

I wouldn't mind being the overly large island near your little mini-continent.

That'd be cool. Having a bunch of different alliances on one landmass would be more interesting.

In fact, you could take the outline of Portugal and break it away a bit and it would look like continental drift... Heh. Some other players should populate the rest of "Europe" betwee me, Stas and FN. Or we could have locals-- I like the idea of indigs that may or may not be overly pleased about us being there.

I think Terra Libertia and Neverhood should be imported much as they are, except with some NPC group filling in for East Neverhood. We'll entrench things a little more to show the passage of time...

The rest of the solar system can remain the same.

I wouldn't mind having the extent of the Byzantine Empire under Heraclius I before the Arab invasions (minus Egypt and Carthage).

Shroom Man 777 wrote:You guys should seriously consider using this.

I already got dibs on the Usean Continent.

Ohh, that looks good. You posted it while I made my post, apparantly.

Wanna just go with this?

If we do, I'll claim SOTOA. (far to the west on the map).

Coyote:

I was thinking we could resize and rearrange that, and cut the landmasses to chunks. There are several continents.

Shroomania uses up one continent, Usea. But apparently Shroomania itself ISN'T continent sized (I am not an Imperium) - so my "continent" is going to be resized into just a large-ish island surrounded by many other lesser island nations.

You guys can have your land masses! I can have island archipelagos surrounding me.

That works.

Let's see what the advantages are-- after all, using "real world" countries, you can use Google Images to find blank outline maps and fill them in as you want. They are designed for children to learn geography, but they also work well for our purposes.

Of course, I think I was one of the few that made topographical features on my map, most of us just did political features.

Coyote
Using the old maps, you and Byzantium could go one of two ways if you want to link together:



or



Obviously you'd have to modify the coastlines a bit to get a good fit, but that's the general idea.

Use this as the starting point for the Byzantines:



Then find Greece and add them together in Paint (it's on every Windows machine in "Accessories") and fill in what you need.

The base for this is "aboutGeography.com" and they have all sorts of blank maps.

EDIT: Or, go to Google Images and type in "Map of ______" and poke through the results-- anyone can find a map in there.