Korea versus America

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2007-01-29 01:37am

ray245 wrote:Now, this might be more possible if korea has allies including china or japan.

Nope, it really doesn't make much difference.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2007-01-29 01:56am

I love the part where the entire Korean navy is destroyed, and half the US navy is destroyed. After that, I stopped reading, though I did catch glimpses of "illegal mexicans" among other things.

How the hell do they have 1.6 million infantry? How the hell do they sealift those? 20,000 tourists?

wat?

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2007-01-29 02:09am

Ok, so I decided to read the whole thing. It's kinda funny. I love the random descriptions, like "commandos operating in groups of 4" or "burned down by angry white and black people."

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2007-01-29 02:33am

Wow, I mean, wow.

The funniest part is taking Texas with ground troops. Texas has its own brand of loyalty. I find it hard to believe any forgien power could hold Texas, even if the US had no military. If you think Iraq was bad......

Korea's Navy versus two or three US carrier group that could happen, not against the entire US Navy.

Thats just the lousy strategic side.

How about Koreas economy. Germany still has not fully recovered after unification. (This is often over looked by Koreans.)

Logistics? Even if the military situation "destroyed half the US Navy" Korea would be blockaded. The invasion of the Texas and seizing US equipment. If that ever came to be they would not be able to keep the planes in the Air.

And a foot note, National guard fighter pilots often get more flying hours than their active duty counter parts (due to a smaller roster), and many have served in actual wars, vs korean pilots which have not done much. So no, Korean pilots will not be better trained.

Comedy Gold at its best.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2007-01-29 04:00am

Just back to the Texas thing.
1) The rest of the country may joke about giving Texas back to Mexico or whatever but people would be chomping at the bit demanding retribution the likes of which have never been seen if a foreign power was occupying a fucking square inch of US soil, much less a state.
2) You couldn't hold fucking Delaware with 20,000 men. For people armed with weapons acquired in a Mexican civil war (boy is that supply train going to be lovely, hostile territory, mismatched weaponry (lots of different ammo types), any vehicles commandeered, most of your supply troops are illegals who at best would have tenuous loyalty to you and would probably desert at the first chance) you'd probably need at least half a million men to hold down Texas. And that would be if the National Guard just stood up and walked away and none of the Texans could get to their equipment before the Koreans could gank it.
And The Aircraft Carrier(s)
1) So, they get some rust bucket POS, equip it with carrier based fighters that they magically pull out of their asses and suddenly it can take out half the USN?
2) So, you're making a secret infantry infiltration force, OF COURSE, you're going to load it up with a bunch of pilots, armor operators and the people to run a carrier. Were there any actual ground pounders there or was all just people to run the stuff that American soldiers would magically just give up and let them have despite the fact that even with overwhelming numerical advantage their defensible positions and combined arms tactics (due to the fact that they have other arms than infantry to combine) should buy at least enough time to fuck up any equipment they can't carry back with them beyond any possible usage. Plus, if there was a foreign army on US soil even the most inept, career oriented, corrupt, sleazy sack of shit president in history would activate the national guard nation wide so fast your head would fucking spin. There'd be support from across the fucking nation on it's way before they'd even figured out what a stupid fucking move it is to invade a state that in addition to being guarded by a vastly superior army to your own is full of trigger happy maniacs, a large number of whom probably don't even need the excuse of a war to shoot at "brown people" with a force composed largely of pilots and technicians you need for all the equipment you're sure you'll capture.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-01-29 04:24am

I love this bit:

The US President was in a dilemma, if he cancelled the invasion of Korea he might lose the election; but if he didn't kick out the KEF he might face impeachment.

If he cancelled the invasion he might lose the election? I know the US public has some odd voting habits, but considering that the only thing keeping Bush afloat is his ROAR AMERIKA STRONG!! rhetoric, how the hell would anyone in their right mind vote for a president who allows an invasion of US soil by a foreign power!?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-01-29 05:05am

I stopped reading when the Koreans sent troop divisions over into Mexico in secret, as tourists...

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2007-01-29 05:40am

Its official, this is worse than Eric L Harry's crap where China invades the US with human wave tactics after the US military spending has been decreased over the years by a Democrat administration of course. Did I also mention the US president is an ex hollywood movie star.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-01-29 05:45am

The sad thing is that today, you probably can write a story where a militarily weak, but determined nation can cause the US real grief, but not by a goddamn straight invasion; you'd do it through PR, by turning it's allies, by isolating it internationally. You'd want to write a story about a nation using it's strengths on the US's weaknesses, not a masturbatory Rambo-times-1000 fantasy.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2007-01-29 05:56am

You know, whenever I see one of these books or fanfics with highly contrived and flatly stupid ideas ending up with the taking down of the US, I keep thinking of Zap Branigins line from Futurama.

"Lets show them what a runaway defence budget can do!"

I mean the US might have trouble in asymmetric warfare in situations like Iraq when the leaders don't have a clue how to FIGHT one, but a straight up knock down slugfest against a conventional army?

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2007-01-29 07:41am

Big Orange wrote:I stopped reading when the Koreans sent troop divisions over into Mexico in secret, as tourists...

Ditto.

Now that's the most stupid thing I ever heard.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2007-01-29 07:54am

That NOS Guy wrote:There's a thousand flaws I can point out in this fantasy, yet like diseases trying to get into Mr. Burn's body, they block each other at the tip of my tongue.

For reference, that's called the Three Stooges Effect.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2007-01-29 08:25am

Did I read that wrong, or did a single Korean super-sub keep the entire US Pacific Fleet cowering in fear at San Diego?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-01-29 09:10am

Jim Raynor wrote:Did I read that wrong, or did a single Korean super-sub keep the entire US Pacific Fleet cowering in fear at San Diego?

Talk about continuity problems, earlier it was said the entire Korean Navy was wiped out to take out half the Pacific Fleet.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2007-01-29 09:12am

Hawkwings wrote:How the hell do they sealift those? 20,000 tourists?

Isn't it obvious? By cleverly taking advantage of every cruise and airline discount offer.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-01-29 09:18am

Not the worst of these things I have read that have been published, but it brought a few good laughs.

Still these bits always follow the same formula. Start up that fails horribly for both sides, but somehow the plucky protagonist's armies are not obliterated...just merely wounded. Antagonists are so mind numbing stupid that they might as well order their men to walk to the sun. Step 3 is profit.

And it ends the same way depending of it the person is masturbating with or against America.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-01-29 09:18am

Also, if their was a Special Forces group attacking in Virginia, wouldn't they evacuate the President to one of the bunkers? I believe they have one here in WV at Greenbrier, I'd love to see them try and assault WV.

xammer99 · Post by **xammer99** » 2007-01-29 10:00am

Chaulk this one up to a patriotic author who doesn't have a real idea of what he's writing about.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2007-01-29 11:26am

You don't need a carrier for defense. Carriers are inherently tools of power projection.

TithonusSyndrome · Post by **TithonusSyndrome** » 2007-01-29 11:53am

Who else here got a laugh out of all the world's powers sitting idly by while America was invaded to the tune of a trillion dollars in damage and let their own economies suffer?

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-01-29 12:11pm

Who could be so stupid to think that Korea could invade the U.S? And to actually think that people will pay money for that crappy book?
I mean the only thing worse would be if someone wrote a story in which U.S. defeats an advanced interstellar civilization which can construct 500km long space ships and...Oh wait.

Deathstalker · Post by **Deathstalker** » 2007-01-29 01:57pm

Independence Day was a popcorn flick, meant to show big explosions and humanity truimphant. No one takes it seriously. The author of the Korea wank, from what I gather, is quite serious and has no tongue in cheek humor. And Degan said he couldn't believe something couldn't be typed with one hand, this guy used his nose, because this crap was a two hand wankfest.

frogcurry · Post by **frogcurry** » 2007-01-29 02:16pm

20000 people / 400 people per plane = 200 round-aircraft trips.

I'm sure that for all its flaws US intelligence would notice 200 aircraft flights carrying nothing but Korean men (possibly a negligible spattering of women but not many) flying into a country on their border during peacetime, never mind war...

frogcurry · Post by **frogcurry** » 2007-01-29 02:19pm

ehmm... ignore the number screw-up in the above post. I got my numbers messed up.

50 flights at 400 per plane is the correct number (20,000), 200 flights is 100000 - 20000 which was what I was using for some reason.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-01-29 04:37pm

And I thought the Japanese were delusional with their "We can beat the US in 20XX!" manga and anime. At least they have the money to keep a war effort going for... oh... FOUR MONTHS.

This crap is worse than most of the military thrillers written by Americans after 1989. I mean, if you're going to write about China invading the US... oh, yeah. China doesn't have the political will to invade and conquer a nation thousands of miles away-- with the exception of Taiwan, which was part of China anyways-- doesn't have the military capability to launch such an invasion, doesn't have the logistics necessary to sustain an invasion, and THEY KNOW IT! And if you're going to write about Japan invading Siberia... oh, yeah. Japan has China's problems TIMES 10 (number of personnel in uniform).