We all thought the Eclipse was huge...

[Rye]

That said, I notice a distinct lack of women-written awesome character films in the past few years. I mean, where are the female versions of American Beauty and Fight Club?

[Redleader34]

And female universe have the problem of being too into over emotional characters, and unrealstic protryals of males. I'm looking at you Rumiko Takahashi!

on the orignal topic, That ship is over 4 Xbox units in lenth, it would make most men cry upon seeing it, and then the chaos would come upon their souls... Who would create such a monstroicty?

[Pick]

You might also note that most well-established screen writers are men. It's not exactly a fair comparison when the representative samples are inherantly massively skewed in favor of one division.

[Rye]

Given how many films were released in the last 10 years or so, I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect women to have produced one awesome film as equally memorable as fight club if they are as equally likely to make awesome stories and less likely to involve wanky storytelling, regardless of how sexist the industry is.

Perhaps the industry looks more sexist than it is because women are less likely to produce decent material?

[Pick]

1. I think Fight Club wasn't a very good movie.

2. Women are less prone to make movies that are "awesome" from your perspective, because you're viewing it from a perspective where you perceieve wank and steriotypical "uber-power" to be the qualifying ideal. I think Sense and Sensibility was a rockin' good film, for instance. I would, indeed, label is completely awesome. So was My Big, Fat Greek Wedding. That was an awesome film, and memorable, too. Women don't tend to write works that men consider "awesome" and "badass", because we don't tend to consider them "awesome" and "badass" the same way as males. Why waste your time writing in a genre that doesn't appeal to you?

And I still don't think that it is fair to compare the works of a huge amount of male screenwriters to the works of female screenwriters, which are much less in number and still mostly restricted to traditionally female genres.

[Adrian Laguna]

Perhaps the industry looks more sexist than it is because women are less likely to produce decent material?

At least the woman you're talking to produces decent material. Don't know if she could make a good movie, but Dark Councilors would probably be a good TV show, as has already been discussed in her art threads.


EDIT:

Women are less prone to make movies that are "awesome" from your perspective, because you're viewing it from a perspective where you perceieve wank and steriotypical "uber-power" to be the qualifying ideal.

The magic bands worn by Edge Argus are not only "badass" and "awesome", I'd say they're horribly wanked too.

[Uraniun235]

Women don't tend to write works that men consider "awesome" and "badass", because we don't tend to consider them "awesome" and "badass" the same way as males. Why waste your time writing in a genre that doesn't appeal to you?

So, out of curiosity, if you come across the rare woman that does seem to get a big kick out of guns and badasses, what do other women think? I mean, guys will sometimes mock other guys for liking movies like "Steel Magnolias", do women mock women who like "Rambo"?

[Pick]

I've never noticed liking "guy" films to be a problem amongst females. After all, the general assumption is that if you're looking at a "man" film, you're just lusting after some random number of the cast .

The magic bands worn by Edge Argus are not only "badass" and "awesome", I'd say they're horribly wanked too.

The biggest difference, however, is that the story isn't about his application of that strength. Hell, we're over a quarter-million words in, and he's used it... once, as a demonstration .

Also, this thread doesn't need to be an ad, though thanks for the mention .

[Stofsk]

Perhaps the industry looks more sexist than it is because women are less likely to produce decent material?

Or... perhaps the industry is actually sexist. That's certainly a more believable assumption than a blanket generalisation over the writing capabilities of female writers vs male writers.

[Alan Bolte]

brute force and huge guns."

I sense redundancy.

[Pick]

brute force and huge guns."

I sense redundancy.

Not necessarily! There can be brute force without huge guns (maybe just teeny guns!) and huge guns without--- oh wait!

[Adrian Laguna]

Also, this thread doesn't need to be an ad, though thanks for the mention .

Your participation in any thread automatically makes it an ad for your writing. My post was more of a quick review.

[Ford Prefect]

It's goddamn silly .

Please. I write a universe which is the very definition of ridiculous. My favourite character from it is the size of the moon. There was an entire story where the climax was singing Big Love so hard that the crust of a planet cracked. Another story had a plan to capture someone involving the blasting of a continent into orbit. There's a box the size of a planet and more dense than a neutron star that serves no purpose. There's a cannon that runs on love. Elvis Presley is the most powerful man in the universe and could give the Death Star a run for its money.

I am the Chairman of Silly.

[Lord Zentei]

Verunhive is considerably larger than Necromunda Hive Primus, as I recall.

So?

You are correct, that these two things are not necessarily connected in every cirumstance, just a overwhelming percentage thereof.

And seriously. Look at that big ship in the OP. Step back for a moment. Just one moment. Now think about it --not in terms of destructive capacity, or artistic merit, no, just think about that ship in the most general sense.

It's goddamn silly .

It is. It is also a continuity-violation.

The 40K Death Star

No, that would be the Planet-Killer. If this were the planet killer rather than some BB or other, I would be raising much less of a fuss.

[Pick]

It's goddamn silly .

Please. I write a universe which is the very definition of ridiculous. My favourite character from it is the size of the moon. There was an entire story where the climax was singing Big Love so hard that the crust of a planet cracked. Another story had a plan to capture someone involving the blasting of a continent into orbit. There's a box the size of a planet and more dense than a neutron star that serves no purpose. There's a cannon that runs on love. Elvis Presley is the most powerful man in the universe and could give the Death Star a run for its money.

I am the Chairman of Silly.

Hey now, there's silly, and then there's SiLlY!!!

One is definitely more fun.

[Ford Prefect]

Verunhive is considerably larger than Necromunda Hive Primus, as I recall.

So?

You used the height of Necromunda Hive Primus in response to 'size of cities' quote from Necropolis. The most notable city in that is Verunhive which is what, seventy kilometres across (or was it miles? Interestingly, that thing probably comes out to seventy miles long)?

City is a variable term, but it can be quite large.

[Lord Zentei]

Verunhive is considerably larger than Necromunda Hive Primus, as I recall.

So?

You used the height of Necromunda Hive Primus in response to 'size of cities' quote from Necropolis. The most notable city in that is Verunhive which is what, seventy kilometres across (or was it miles? Interestingly, that thing probably comes out to seventy miles long)?

City is a variable term, but it can be quite large.

I know: that was my point. That there are ships the size of cities does not mean that any 'ol city can be used as a benchmark. As it is, the size of BBs in 40K is in the 5-10 mile range; not the 50 mile range.

[Ford Prefect]

I know: that was my point. That there are ships the size of cities does not mean that any 'ol city can be used as a benchmark. As it is, the size of BBs in 40K is in the 5-10 mile range; not the 50 mile range.

Frankly, just because the Retrobution class is in that range doesn't mean that's the be all and end all. Adeptus Mechanicus transports are known to be sixteen klicks long. There's another ship of unknown class of some 20,000m long.

Yes, that's larger, but it's not so much larger that it's impossible.

One is definitely more fun.

Admittedly if I can't do something because its funny I probably won't do it at all.

[Lord Zentei]

I know: that was my point. That there are ships the size of cities does not mean that any 'ol city can be used as a benchmark. As it is, the size of BBs in 40K is in the 5-10 mile range; not the 50 mile range.

Frankly, just because the Retrobution class is in that range doesn't mean that's the be all and end all. Adeptus Mechanicus transports are known to be sixteen klicks long. There's another ship of unknown class of some 20,000m long.

Yes, that's larger, but it's not so much larger that it's impossible.

Bullshit. 16 klicks is in the range specified: 10 miles. And the AdMech mass conveyors were supposed to be much larger than the BBs. And that ship of "unknown class" you mentioned was presumably extraordinary, yes?

Increasing the length by an order of magnitude increases the volume by a factor of 1000. It's much greater a leap from a Retribution class to that wankfest than from a destroyer to a Retribution class. It's nonsense. Period.

[Shinova]

Battleship is obviously just a term used to describe those kinds of ships. They could've used "warship" instead. Doesn't really matter.

[Lord Zentei]

Battleship is obviously just a term used to describe those kinds of ships. They could've used "warship" instead. Doesn't really matter.

Yes, it matters. We are talking about three fucking orders of magnitude increase in volume: a much greater jump than from an escort to a premier BB. There are limits to how large ships can be built in 40K (*). If writers and artists don't honour these limits, the franchise descends into bullshit dickwaving contests.


(*) We know this because the Chaos Planet Killer and the Eldar Craftworlds are far, far larger than other ships that can be constructed.

[Ford Prefect]

Bullshit. 16 klicks is in the range specified: 10 miles.

My bad. Sorry.

And the AdMech mass conveyors were supposed to be much larger than the BBs. And that ship of "unknown class" you mentioned was presumably extraordinary, yes?

Yes, it was special. Just like that one from the page in Bloodquest is. Unless you're suggesting that it is completely impossible for the Imperium to build something of that size.

Increasing the length by an order of magnitude increases the volume by a factor of 1000. It's much greater a leap from a Retribution class to that wankfest than from a destroyer to a Retribution class. It's nonsense. Period.

I realise it's large. It's also atypical, but frankly the Imperium has a tradition of vastly more insane industrial feats, so no, it isn't nonsense. Titan was once stuff with enough high-density material that it has one gee. A seventy kilometre long warship vastly pales compared to that.

[Lord Zentei]

And the AdMech mass conveyors were supposed to be much larger than the BBs. And that ship of "unknown class" you mentioned was presumably extraordinary, yes?

Yes, it was special. Just like that one from the page in Bloodquest is. Unless you're suggesting that it is completely impossible for the Imperium to build something of that size.

If 20 km was extraordinary, and 16 km is way bigger than any BB in use...

And going from 20 km to 70 km is an increase of 3.5x. Volume increase is more than 42x - like the difference between an average ship and an entire sector fleet...

Yes, it is impossible. Why do you think that they were gaping in shock and horror at the Chaos Planet Killer - I mean apart from its firepwower? The AdMech claimed that the Chaos forces must have built it in Warpspace because such a huge ship could not be constructed in realspace.

Increasing the length by an order of magnitude increases the volume by a factor of 1000. It's much greater a leap from a Retribution class to that wankfest than from a destroyer to a Retribution class. It's nonsense. Period.

I realise it's large. It's also atypical, but frankly the Imperium has a tradition of vastly more insane industrial feats, so no, it isn't nonsense. Titan was once stuff with enough high-density material that it has one gee. A seventy kilometre long warship vastly pales compared to that.

It is nonsense: there is a difference between warp capable ships and idiotically dense materials for titans. Moreso, since uberships that have been described such as the CPK and the Craftworlds are meant to be beyond the capabilities of the Imperium, and the 16-20 km Mass Conveyors are in fact from ancient times (with the 20 km being extraordinary).

And in any case: was that ship in the OP supposed to be a show stopper for the entire Galaxy above and beyond anything seen before? Or was it meant to be a Chaos BB, powerful but not all-defeating? Seriously: the artist has no sense of scale, or he was masturbating when he drew that. Possibly both.

[Shinova]

Yes, it matters. We are talking about three fucking orders of magnitude increase in volume: a much greater jump than from an escort to a premier BB.

That's why I said obviously they're handling the term battleship in not so constrained terms. It may offend your sense of correctness, but I don't have a problem with it.

[Lord Zentei]

Yes, it matters. We are talking about three fucking orders of magnitude increase in volume: a much greater jump than from an escort to a premier BB.

That's why I said obviously they're handling the term battleship in not so constrained terms. It may offend your sense of correctness, but I don't have a problem with it.

Jesus fucking Christ, I don't give a shit about the fucking terminology. I'm talking about the fucking scale of the goddamn thing.