defected ST commander survivabilty under vaders command

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-13 10:40pm

Hedge Clippers

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-13 10:43pm

air brush.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-13 10:57pm

Nose Hair Trimmmer!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-14 12:29am

Ok OK, how's about Kirk under Vader's command? Talk about a devastating combination. God forbid Kirk gets his shirt ripped....at that point the rebels should just lay down their arms.

Great potential scene. Kirk and Han, mano a mano.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-14 08:12am

Ok OK, how's about Kirk under Vader's command? Talk about a devastating combination. God forbid Kirk gets his shirt ripped....at that point the rebels should just lay down their arms.

Great potential scene. Kirk and Han, mano a mano.

While I might pay money to see that I imagin its one of those Stand-off things, ending with one runnning away or..
The reactor Core overloading.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 05:15pm

John Clark wrote:...most of the leadership in the Imperial Navy at least seems to consist of sociopaths...

Huh? I thought the majority of the Imperials depicted in the original trilogy were anything but sociopaths. I for one genuinely felt sorry for Captain Needa.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 05:19pm

John Clark wrote:How about Tarkin? "We will crrrrrrush the rrrrrebellion!" Now THERE'S a guy who tied cats' tails together and dropped 'em on a fence to watch 'em fight.

The destruction of Alderaan was an atrocity, yes, but his quest to destroy the rebellion was no worse than what any "good soldier" would do during an insurrection. If you're going to indict Tarkin for that, how about some of our own war heroes from ages past? Sherman? Patton?

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 05:21pm

Mr Bean wrote:Tarkin?
He's a Moff agian not a part of thier Navy but rather he Managed the Construction of the DeathStar and seems to have hunge around to show everyone his cool new toy

Agian he's not a memeber of the Navy

I'm not even convinced that Moffs are military officers. I've felt for a long while that, as governors, they're civilians with political authority over the military.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 05:31pm

TheDarkling wrote:The Empire is evil and its policy makers are also evil.

However people in the Imp navy need not be evil however the closer you get to the policy makers the closer you become to evil.

Not even all the policy makers were evil. The Imperial Senate still had considerable power throughout the emperor's reign until the Death Star gave him the leverage he needed to disband it. Before that, however, they gave (at least) tacit support to the rebellion.

"If word of this gets out it could generate sympathy for the rebellion in the Senate."

"The Rebel Alliance will continue to gain support in the Imperial Senate..."

"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us."

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-14 05:34pm

Thats my point Moffs are exactly like Governers in fact so much to the point there is a comment in X-wing errr somthingoulgy(What did you call a series of nine books) err triple trillgagy where they ask whos the Governer and the cmoment its is Moff XXX(name forgotten

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 05:36pm

BenRG wrote:I think that competent officers would do well in any structured millitary environment. However, most Starfleet officers lack the amoral attitude that a good Imperial officer would require.

Why would they require an amoral attitude any more than, say, your average US Army general?

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2002-07-14 07:09pm

Mr Bean wrote:Thats my point Moffs are exactly like Governers in fact so much to the point there is a comment in X-wing errr somthingoulgy(What did you call a series of nine books) err triple trillgagy where they ask whos the Governer and the cmoment its is Moff XXX(name forgotten

Moffs are governors. This is common knowledge. What's up for debate is whether they're military governors or if the "rank" of Moff is a political title for a regional governor with civil authority over the military. Follow?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-14 07:44pm

This is common knowledge. What's up for debate is whether they're military governors or if the "rank" of Moff is a political title for a regional governor with civil authority over the military. Follow?

Aye I do but I don't think your getting what I'm saying, Moffs are exactly like Modern day Goveners except the Nationa Guard is always there and he never calls them up
Moffs are Governers who have authority over Local Defense Forces not the Navy though just like modern relations the Governer can go in and annoy the real Soliders when they show up and set up shop

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-15 06:42pm

Typical good-guy vs. good-guy cliche... they fight to a draw, bloodying each other up pretty good but neither really getting the upper hand. Then the core threatens to go up and they Work Together (tm) to prevent the breach, in the end realizing they're Not That Different After All (r)!

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-15 06:45pm

The destruction of Alderaan was an atrocity, yes, but his quest to destroy the rebellion was no worse than what any "good soldier" would do during an insurrection. If you're going to indict Tarkin for that, how about some of our own war heroes from ages past? Sherman? Patton?
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Oh, I beg your fucking pardon! Sherman and Patton did not set out to annihilate civilians!

John Clark · Post by **John Clark** » 2002-07-21 11:49pm

Git 'em, boy!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-22 12:06am

Oh, I beg your fucking pardon! Sherman and Patton did not set out to annihilate civilians!

Patton you are right, he fought the German army and certainly did not go after the civilian population, in fact he was a very decent military governor in Bavaria, being smart enough to realize that teh Nazis knew how to run their own country, fix the roads and electricity so he kept them in place and everything was fine.

Sherman...he deliberately set out to punish the south, he bruned his way across Georgia in his march to the sea and ruined all the rail lines, set fires to towns and cotton stockpiles and essentially his troops became a plague of locusts descending upon and living off the land until it was stripped bare then moving on. There was no other strategic goal than to attrite the shit out of the South and in many ways it worked. So Sherman's hands are pretty dirty in that regard.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-22 01:49am

Sherman still didn't literally go out and kill all the civvies though. IIRC he went after anything that could possibly be considered infrastructure, logistical materials, or anything of wartime value. He didn't slaughter people wholesale though.

He wasn't free of guilt by any means, but he didn't commit an Alderaan-level atrocity (even leaving scale aside).

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-27 12:05pm

Mr Bean wrote:Thats my point Moffs are exactly like Governers in fact so much to the point there is a comment in X-wing errr somthingoulgy(What did you call a series of nine books) err triple trillgagy where they ask whos the Governer and the cmoment its is Moff XXX(name forgotten

Well, Tarkin is a special case since he was a navy officer taht was promoted to the position of Grand Moff. Now this didn't happen overnight but he is the case of a Imperial Moff that did have some legitimate military athority as a militay officer. I beleive that his position as Governor of the Galaxy was kept under wraps as much as possible, but i can't be sure.