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Actually, you can do experiments without killing people. Just ask for volunteers; and then carefully start low; like for example; put a drop of mustard onto their skin, and note the reaction; give them minor low level electric shocks "Let me know when it starts to hurt"; etc. It's a lot easier to do non lethal testing of a subject when it's conscious and can tell you what's going on.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

Kodiak wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Good stuff, I wonder who Rahab's military expert is.

Maybe whoever it was that led the VietCong? He'd be good in a fight. Oh lordy, just think if it was Washington!

The leader of the VietCong General Giap is still alive.

Sean Mulligan wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

Kodiak wrote:

Maybe whoever it was that led the VietCong? He'd be good in a fight. Oh lordy, just think if it was Washington!

The leader of the VietCong General Giap is still alive.

Well then, someone shoot him and get him to the resistance!

CaptainChewbacca wrote:

Sean Mulligan wrote:

CaptainChewbacca wrote: Maybe whoever it was that led the VietCong? He'd be good in a fight. Oh lordy, just think if it was Washington!

The leader of the VietCong General Giap is still alive.

Well then, someone shoot him and get him to the resistance!

No, get them Rommel!

Simon Bolivar Buckner (either of them will do)!

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Non-christian or at least somewhat blasphemous, extremely tough and determined (required to immediately break free like that), and very cunning to stay alive all this time while hiding, someone who has experienced extreme poverty and hardship before and would not be devastated, like I suspect Napoleon would, by finding himself punished and humbled so. This would be Temüjin, quite frankly--he survived and supported his family by scavenging for berries when he was young, they were so impoverished. He, unlike many other successful rulers and conquerors, is unlikely to be mentally destroyed by such an abrupt and poor turn of fortune. And he is extremely good at irregular warfare, the kind of skills which would keep one free in Hell for long periods of time, and certainly possesses enormous welfare and seemed to hold to no distinct organized religion, just the vague animism of his people.

I don't think Abigor would be against torture of his followers . He did offer some of them for dissection “Would dissecting a few living demons help? I can assign a few of these to you for that purpose if you wish ?" . So we have willing subjects for our research.

john1761 wrote:So we have willing subjects for our research.

Idiot. There is a WORLD of difference between the leader of the Baldrick prisoners offering to let the Humans dissect some of his followers, and the actual willingness of those subjects to be killed and cut apart.

Wow, not bad for a first post. Is this another Clownshoes sockpuppet?

Gullible Jones wrote:Wow, not bad for a first post. Is this another Clownshoes sockpuppet?

I don't know, it actually sounds a bit too intelligent for LameStrife433 to me.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Non-christian or at least somewhat blasphemous, extremely tough and determined (required to immediately break free like that), and very cunning to stay alive all this time while hiding, someone who has experienced extreme poverty and hardship before and would not be devastated, like I suspect Napoleon would, by finding himself punished and humbled so. This would be Temüjin, quite frankly--he survived and supported his family by scavenging for berries when he was young, they were so impoverished. He, unlike many other successful rulers and conquerors, is unlikely to be mentally destroyed by such an abrupt and poor turn of fortune. And he is extremely good at irregular warfare, the kind of skills which would keep one free in Hell for long periods of time, and certainly possesses enormous welfare and seemed to hold to no distinct organized religion, just the vague animism of his people.

Hmm...I like the idea of Ghengis Khan leading the resistance.

And come to think of it, his tactics are more similar to modern warefare than people like naploean, as in how he deploy his troops.

Mobility, blitz like tactics, and etc.

Junghalli wrote:

Gullible Jones wrote:Wow, not bad for a first post. Is this another Clownshoes sockpuppet?

I don't know, it actually sounds a bit too intelligent for LameStrife433 to me.

However, it would fit his MO of attempting to troll the board. This thread is a tempting target for assholes to spam up, even if it's quite well-defended. Clownshoes has displayed a propensity for suicide-troll attacks already.

ray245 wrote:

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Non-christian or at least somewhat blasphemous, extremely tough and determined (required to immediately break free like that), and very cunning to stay alive all this time while hiding, someone who has experienced extreme poverty and hardship before and would not be devastated, like I suspect Napoleon would, by finding himself punished and humbled so. This would be Temüjin, quite frankly--he survived and supported his family by scavenging for berries when he was young, they were so impoverished. He, unlike many other successful rulers and conquerors, is unlikely to be mentally destroyed by such an abrupt and poor turn of fortune. And he is extremely good at irregular warfare, the kind of skills which would keep one free in Hell for long periods of time, and certainly possesses enormous welfare and seemed to hold to no distinct organized religion, just the vague animism of his people.

Hmm...I like the idea of Ghengis Khan leading the resistance.

And come to think of it, his tactics are more similar to modern warefare than people like naploean, as in how he deploy his troops.

Mobility, blitz like tactics, and etc.

Agreed. I think Genghis would make a damn good candidate on intel grounds as well, assuming he in fact did escape early in his tenure in Hell. He couldn't conceive of any of our weapons or techs beyond our blades, but he likely has volumes of info for us to tell. A good general would instruct his command to observe the enemy as a matter of principle.

Comprehension wouldn't be a problem (lookit Rahab) in the event of a link-up, but it's up to Stuart what exactly happened to Temujin; for all we know he could be even more fucked than other leaders.

I like the idea of Ghengis Khan or Napoleon as much as anyone, but wouldn't a modern general be a lot more useful? It seems to that a guerrilla leader from the past century would be more relevant.

Patton can team up with Rommel, Guderian, Otto Skorzeny, and T.E. Lawrence. 3 mobile warfare experts, 1 SF expert, and 1 guerrilla warfare expert.

EDIT: Changes Ho Chi Minh for T.E. Lawrence and fixed misspell of Skorzeny's last name.

Mongoose wrote:I like the idea of Ghengis Khan or Napoleon as much as anyone, but wouldn't a modern general be a lot more useful? It seems to that a guerrilla leader from the past century would be more relevant.

True, but if it is a modern general, then Rahab won't be that surprised by the modern day troop.

Hence, I say he is a pre gunpowder age general.

General Deathdealer wrote:Patton can team up with Rommel, Guderian, Otto Skorzeny, and T.E. Lawrence. 3 mobile warfare experts, 1 SF expert, and 1 guerrilla warfare expert.

Personally I'd prefer David Stirling to Skorzeny. The later probably deserves to be where he is.

If you wanted a pre-gunpowder general who fights with tactics like the Baldricks, I would go with either Alexander, Hannibal, or Scipio Africanus.

JN1 wrote:

General Deathdealer wrote:Patton can team up with Rommel, Guderian, Otto Skorzeny, and T.E. Lawrence. 3 mobile warfare experts, 1 SF expert, and 1 guerrilla warfare expert.

Personally I'd prefer David Stirling to Skorzeny. The later probably deserves to be where he is.

I agree, Skorzeny probably deserves to be where he is, but anyone that can kidnap Mussolini from a heavily guarded mountaintop is pretty good in my book.

EDIT: Added response to JN1

General Deathdealer wrote:Patton can team up with Rommel, Guderian, Otto Skorzeny, and T.E. Lawrence. 3 mobile warfare experts, 1 SF expert, and 1 guerrilla warfare expert.

EDIT: Changes Ho Chi Minh for T.E. Lawrence and fixed misspell of Skorzeny's last name.

There's been a huge increase in the number of souls being admitted to Hell in the last century or so. My feeling is that this increase will make the denizens of Hell much less inclined to properly categorize them and separate out exceptional individuals, so leaders from that period would not get any special treatment and would probably be languishing in a swamp somewhere. It seems that kings and generals from previous eras would have a greater likelihood of being free than guys from the 20th century. They would have also had much more time to wait for opportunities to escape.

Might I recommend an addition to the band of hell-raisers (no pun intended): Adrian Carton de Wiart. I figure if anyone can get loose in Hell, it's him.

I agree, Skorzeny probably deserves to be where he is, but anyone that can kidnap Mussolini from a heavily guarded mountaintop is pretty good in my book.

You're quite right, I'd just prefer to associate with the co-founder of the SAS rather than a Nazi.

Might I recommend an addition to the band of hell-raisers (no pun intended): Adrian Carton de Wiart. I figure if anyone can get loose in Hell, it's him.

He was quite a bloke, wounded at least nine times; once in the Sudan, when he lost an eye, and eight times in the Great War. He almost seems to have been a real life Captain Scarlet.

Darth Wong wrote:

General Deathdealer wrote:Patton can team up with Rommel, Guderian, Otto Skorzeny, and T.E. Lawrence. 3 mobile warfare experts, 1 SF expert, and 1 guerrilla warfare expert.

EDIT: Changes Ho Chi Minh for T.E. Lawrence and fixed misspell of Skorzeny's last name.

There's been a huge increase in the number of souls being admitted to Hell in the last century or so. My feeling is that this increase will make the denizens of Hell much less inclined to properly categorize them and separate out exceptional individuals, so leaders from that period would not get any special treatment and would probably be languishing in a swamp somewhere. It seems that kings and generals from previous eras would have a greater likelihood of being free than guys from the 20th century. They would have also had much more time to wait for opportunities to escape.

I agree that they would be hard to find, but since Rahab has been around so long she, or another escapee she knows, might have an idea where some of the recent leaders can be found.

Also, when people go to hell, do they get put in the same location that as other people who died around the same time? Are all of the people who died in 1941 in the same area of hell, or are they just spread around in a random manner?

I wonder if Harry Houdini escaped.

The Vortex Empire wrote:I wonder if Harry Houdini escaped.

Isn't that kind of a given?

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:

The Vortex Empire wrote:I wonder if Harry Houdini escaped.

Isn't that kind of a given?

True. He did a lot harder escapes than getting off of a cross, or out of chains.