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brianeyci wrote:If you want to be a semantic whore, Ripley lost :P. She missed an alien somehow on the ship even though they had motion sensors (she should have swept the fucking ship for more aliens) and it impregnated her. Then she dies in Alien Three.

You know James Cameron saying, "The audience now thinks that Ripley is alright and she'll be a better person after this," he, the creator of Aliens, was wrong duh :D.

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Alien 3? What are you talking about?
There was no Alien 3. No sir. Not at all. There was no Alien Ressurection either. Yep.

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brianeyci wrote:If you want to be a semantic whore, Ripley lost :P. She missed an alien somehow on the ship even though they had motion sensors (she should have swept the fucking ship for more aliens) and it impregnated her. Then she dies in Alien Three.

You know James Cameron saying, "The audience now thinks that Ripley is alright and she'll be a better person after this," he, the creator of Aliens, was wrong duh :D.

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Alien 3? What are you talking about?
There was no Alien 3. No sir. Not at all. There was no Alien Ressurection either. Yep.

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Dear Hollywood:

Do not expand on what James Cameron does, do not make any sequels to any movies he makes.
But I am sure we will see Titanic 2: Ascension in our local theatres any day now....
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Steven Snyder wrote:Dear Hollywood:

Do not expand on what James Cameron does, do not make any sequels to any movies he makes.
But I am sure we will see Titanic 2: Ascension in our local theatres any day now....
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Darksider wrote:
Steven Snyder wrote:Dear Hollywood:

Do not expand on what James Cameron does, do not make any sequels to any movies he makes.
But I am sure we will see Titanic 2: Ascension in our local theatres any day now....
Dear Steven Snyder:

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Cao Cao wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Steven Snyder wrote:Dear Hollywood:

Do not expand on what James Cameron does, do not make any sequels to any movies he makes.
But I am sure we will see Titanic 2: Ascension in our local theatres any day now....
Dear Steven Snyder:

DO NOT GIVE HOLLYWOOD ANYMORE FUCKING IDEAS!
Leonardo DiCaprio reprises his role, this time as a ghost intent on raising the Titanic then launching it into space at the behest of Tom Cruise in order to meet up with Emperor Xenu.

Oh and his best friend's a talking pie.

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Skylon wrote: Escape pods weren't much of an option. The Nostromo had ONE shuttle with ONE cryo-tube for a ship with a crew of SEVEN.

Someone at WY was cutting costs there.
Yeah but that was my point.. by the time 5 of the crew were dead I'd have started using my gun (I'd have been carrying it from scare one :P)... so that leaves 2 of us.. and there were two tubes.. IIRC the cat had one.. sorry but the cat misses out in my version.
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So where did they get the iddea for giving the Aliens acid blood? Sure the facehugger has it but theyonly seem to live for a day or so after leaving the egg and it seems to be a defensive mechanism. So is it a brainbug on the directors part?
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In Aliens they definately have it and in the first one it has acid, not quite sure how often but the chestburster went through things to damn easily not to.
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So where did they get the iddea for giving the Aliens acid blood?
It always had acid blood. In the first film there was a deleted (never filmed) SFX scene in which it was wounded and managed to escape an airlock trap, and the blood almost burns through the hull again.

Also, even in the final film, the adult's blood is the same color as the facehugger's acid blood.

I suppose that, based only on the final cut of the first film and not Giger's original concept, Cameron could have said for Aliens that the adults had neutral blood. But come on. That's not nearly as cool. 8)
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Skylon wrote: Escape pods weren't much of an option. The Nostromo had ONE shuttle with ONE cryo-tube for a ship with a crew of SEVEN.

Someone at WY was cutting costs there.
Yeah but that was my point.. by the time 5 of the crew were dead I'd have started using my gun (I'd have been carrying it from scare one :P)... so that leaves 2 of us.. and there were two tubes.. IIRC the cat had one.. sorry but the cat misses out in my version.
No, the cat slept on top of Ripley in the same pod.
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No, the facehugger has acid blood in Alien. In Aliens for some reason the xenos themselves end up having acid blood.

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What about Alien vs Predator, where it was revealed that certain Predator metals were immune to the xenomorph acid (hence the reusable throwing star) but they chose not to use those particular metals for their armour? :lol:
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Darth Wong wrote:What about Alien vs Predator, where it was revealed that certain Predator metals were immune to the xenomorph acid (hence the reusable throwing star) but they chose not to use those particular metals for their armour? :lol:
Maybe they consider armor which protects against alien acid unsportsmanlike?
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Darth Wong wrote:What about Alien vs Predator, where it was revealed that certain Predator metals were immune to the xenomorph acid (hence the reusable throwing star) but they chose not to use those particular metals for their armour? :lol:
Maybe they consider armor which protects against alien acid unsportsmanlike?
But blowing yourself up in a nuclear blast just to take the guy that beat you with you is? :roll:
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Darth Wong wrote:What about Alien vs Predator, where it was revealed that certain Predator metals were immune to the xenomorph acid (hence the reusable throwing star) but they chose not to use those particular metals for their armour? :lol:
Maybe they consider armor which protects against alien acid unsportsmanlike?
But blowing yourself up in a nuclear blast just to take the guy that beat you with you is? :roll:


Even humans consider different things sportsmanlike. There are humans which consider hunting bears and tigers with helicopters sportsmanlike.

The Preadator in the 2nd movie did not kill a pregnant women but was still trying to use the self destruct when it looked bad for him.
It's rather easy for me to imagine that an alien which does not think like us considers the self destruct sportsmanlike.
There is after all a visible countdown, they could carry a self destruct without countdown instead.
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I always thought the self destruct was a way of erasing any evidence of their existence. Perhaps one of the rules of the hunt is that they cannot reveal themsleves to a more primitive species and having a cadaver around violates that rule so they cleanse the area in nuclear fire.
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Well, true it could be that way.
My impression of the event in the first movie being the act of a sour loser comes from how the Predator laughs like a maniac as he arms the self-destruct, kinda like "You think you beat me?? Take THIS, asshole!".

But then again even alien societies must have their pricks so that doesn't prove much. :twisted:
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Cao Cao wrote:Well, true it could be that way.
My impression of the event in the first movie being the act of a sour loser comes from how the Predator laughs like a maniac as he arms the self-destruct, kinda like "You think you beat me?? Take THIS, asshole!".

But then again even alien societies must have their pricks so that doesn't prove much. :twisted:
Before Predator 2 came out a friend of mine had theorized that the Pred just shut the safeties off to screw Dutch over. Of course that didn't work after 2.
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Stravo wrote:I always thought the self destruct was a way of erasing any evidence of their existence. Perhaps one of the rules of the hunt is that they cannot reveal themsleves to a more primitive species and having a cadaver around violates that rule so they cleanse the area in nuclear fire.
I would speculate that it is more about not letting us pesky humans have cool toys, like the shoulder cannon and shit.
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Stravo wrote:I always thought the self destruct was a way of erasing any evidence of their existence. Perhaps one of the rules of the hunt is that they cannot reveal themsleves to a more primitive species and having a cadaver around violates that rule so they cleanse the area in nuclear fire.
I would speculate that it is more about not letting us pesky humans have cool toys, like the shoulder cannon and shit.
Or perhaps they've been watching our civilization for centuries and come to the very rational conclusion that horrific forms of torture and experimentation would befall anyone who allowed himself to be captured alive.
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Well i always just assumed that it was like when a Samurai has to kill himself to save face. They've been defeated, so they have to kill themselves to prove they are brave after they lost.

The fact they chose nukes to do this, is most likely out of pure spite.

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No, the facehugger has acid blood in Alien. In Aliens for some reason the xenos themselves end up having acid blood.
Is there any particular reason you ignored my post? Anyone who saw the extra features knows about the deleted scene in which the Alien adult's acid blood becomes a PLOT POINT.

Giger designed everything about the first Alien, including the fact that the adult has acid blood. Cameron was just being consistent.
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Besides the fact that the deleted scene didn't make the cut, relax. This thread's heavy with activity and I skimmed over posts, so sue me.

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I believe my thoughts on the nuke deviated from my original thoughts on the "sportsmanship" subject.

While yes, the nuke isn't proof of bad sportsmanship I think the point of no acid-resistant armor to be sporting is still wrong.
While they are honorable in choosing their targets and have legitimate reasons to nuke themselves when defeated Predators have always flaunted their technology as they hunted using every sophisticated device on them to gain an advantage over their prey.
Thus it's still odd that they wouldn't have acid-resistant armor if they have the tech since they've never shied away from using their tech before, only discarding items if they're damaged beyond repair.
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