Imperial Wiki!

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-11-09 11:58am

Darth Wong wrote:Question: should I link to the wiki from the stardestroyer.net main page, or from the Empire page?

It seems like the main page would get it the most exposure, especially since it's started piling up a handful of articles besides the Vs. stuff already.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-09 01:17pm

Darth Wong wrote:Question: should I link to the wiki from the stardestroyer.net main page, or from the Empire page?

Main site.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2007-11-09 01:24pm

Added a proper RAR! article to the Wiki-http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wik ... php/RAR%21

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-11-09 01:32pm

Damnit, Shep went and locked the article before I had a chance to properly oppress it. Uh, I mean clean it up. Yeah.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-11-09 01:34pm

Its unlocked now. I got tired of Zod constnatly changing it while I was cleaning it up.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2007-11-09 02:09pm

Gah, it hurts just to read that article.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-11-09 02:18pm

Oh fuck it. Make the Rar statement into some single sentence and that's it. It's a feature that is coined and used because it's humorous at best, spam at worst and has nothing to do with anything except a bit of board culture.

At this rate, we'll have a ten thousand page dissertation over the great flamewars that'll be longer then the fucking event was.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-09 02:55pm

MKSheppard wrote:IIRC, in one of the WEG books, there's mention of a force sensitivity device being created and used to find force sensitives.

Do you have a way to quantify this device? Is it a passive scan? Does it require a blood or cell sample?

Second, there's already an existing system in the Old Republic set up specifically to FIND force sensitives. How else do you think the Jedi managed to keep their ranks full in the Old Republic? I don't see them having a recruitment service.

By either testing them at birth on well established planets or recruiting adolescents.

Anakin only escaped the midicholoran tests that would have IDed him as a sensitive by living on a backwater mudhole.

You of course have evidence that the Jedi were that desperate for more Jedi? If you remember their were enough Jedi that they could establish secondary Corps for those not taken as Padawan's.

Once the Jedi have been eliminated by Order 66; it's only a matter of sleight of hand to repurpose the existing apparatus in place to identify force sensitives.

Again, there's no evidence to suggest these Force Scanners were that prevalent.

Two problems with that.

1.) Luke lived in a backwater, sparsely populated, dirt poor planet. I don't even think the Imperial Garrison there was probably at full strength; look at them using dewbacks as transportation, instead of repulsorlifts.

Because the repulsorlift vehicles have engines and intakes that can get clogged by sand, beside Tatooine doesn't have much resources to support many people because of it's desert nature, then add in that there was only a thin band around the equator that was even habitable, you shouldn't need anything larger than a couple thousand soldiers for Tatooine

2.) I think Palpatine knew all along about Leia; but he couldn't make any overt moves against her, because her adoptive family was just too strong politically. It's relatively easy to make some nobody disappear because of a high midichloran count being detected in a routine blood test as an enemy of the empire.

It's another thing to do that to an Imperial Senator from a very influental family from an influental world. Remember that Palpatine didn't completely dissolve the Senate until ANH.

You got a quote from a novel or something? 'Cause "I think" isn't very convincing evidence.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2007-11-09 03:13pm

Darth Wong wrote:Question: should I link to the wiki from the stardestroyer.net main page, or from the Empire page?

Main page is my vote.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2007-11-09 03:14pm

I've got what I hope is a working template for Factions, based on what MKSheppard and I ended up making with our dueling edits.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-11-09 06:34pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Stravo wrote:Not neccessarily Shep, I didn't get the sense that Palpy was mass testing people for Force sensitivity from the films and even if he was there's two big points against the thought that he did anything about it.
IIRC, in one of the WEG books, there's mention of a force sensitivity device being created and used to find force sensitives.

Second, there's already an existing system in the Old Republic set up specifically to FIND force sensitives. How else do you think the Jedi managed to keep their ranks full in the Old Republic? I don't see them having a recruitment service.

Anakin only escaped the midicholoran tests that would have IDed him as a sensitive by living on a backwater mudhole.

Once the Jedi have been eliminated by Order 66; it's only a matter of sleight of hand to repurpose the existing apparatus in place to identify force sensitives.

After all, Luke was the most powerful Force user in the galaxy and he lived a relatively obscure life on Tatooine about to enter the academy and Leia was a senator in the Imperial Senate and I bet her Midi count was through the roof. They were left untouched.
Two problems with that.

1.) Luke lived in a backwater, sparsely populated, dirt poor planet. I don't even think the Imperial Garrison there was probably at full strength; look at them using dewbacks as transportation, instead of repulsorlifts.

2.) I think Palpatine knew all along about Leia; but he couldn't make any overt moves against her, because her adoptive family was just too strong politically. It's relatively easy to make some nobody disappear because of a high midichloran count being detected in a routine blood test as an enemy of the empire.

It's another thing to do that to an Imperial Senator from a very influental family from an influental world. Remember that Palpatine didn't completely dissolve the Senate until ANH.

You're missing his point. Without the Jedi, Force-sensitives seem to be clueless and harmless, except in UBER peculiar instances like Kyp Durron, Luke and Anakin Skywalker. Its not worth the political risk to execute everyone with any remote Force sensitivity when they present no risk as all the people with the knowhow to train and unlock their potential are dead as doornails. The Inquisitorious wasn't really that big, but their Force orders-purge was extensive enough that by before DE they had enough people and spare time to organize run-of-the-mill political show trials.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-11-09 06:36pm

Can we have like EU disclaimer pages? Like while discussing the Imperial military on their page, allow a disclaimer saying the EU supports very limited militarization, but the Death Star II supports the ability to covertly raise x numbers of ISDs/Exec's; corporate payments in the Corporate Sector amount to x warships or Sector Groups, etc.

How about that? Because I'd really be interested in writing such a thing.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-09 06:56pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Can we have like EU disclaimer pages? Like while discussing the Imperial military on their page, allow a disclaimer saying the EU supports very limited militarization, but the Death Star II supports the ability to covertly raise x numbers of ISDs/Exec's; corporate payments in the Corporate Sector amount to x warships or Sector Groups, etc.

How about that? Because I'd really be interested in writing such a thing.

I'm interested in ideas on how to present the canon/EU/non-canon stuff for both franchises - having all info available, but having a clear 'this is the real shit' division. For instance, all the crap from the ST:TMs about torpedoes: it's basically bunk and I don' think it should be in any way presented with the actual evidence, but it arguably should be in there somewhere (if only to say 'ha this is obviously bullshit).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-09 06:57pm

Link added to the main page.

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2007-11-09 07:05pm

Rewrote most of the Death Star entry. A lot of bullshit was in there, mainly about the first Death Star taking 20 years to build, and the DS II only being twice the size of the Death Star. i think it was mainly just a copy paste form wookiepedia. I'll get around to the DSII eventually, unless someone wants to write that one.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-09 07:07pm

Thanks, Relvenous. I'd fixed the 'statistics' section yesterday, but didn't have time to rewrite the history.

As a segue, there are many users who are simply plagarising wookiepedia to a greater or lesser extent. It's bad enough they use a single unreliable source with a whole site and forum right here, but often they're just cun tand pasting whole sections. Can anyone tell me where policies should go (or is it just obvious, like 'wiki policies' which we'd link to the main page)?

Schuyler Colfax · Post by **Schuyler Colfax** » 2007-11-09 07:09pm

Completely ignoring the AYVB thing I'm going to say that the site looks really nice and that I will mention anything I can think of that will benefit the site.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-11-09 07:11pm

Stark wrote:Thanks, Relvenous. I'd fixed the 'statistics' section yesterday, but didn't have time to rewrite the history.

As a segue, there are many users who are simply plagarising wookiepedia to a greater or lesser extent. It's bad enough they use a single unreliable source with a whole site and forum right here, but often they're just cun tand pasting whole sections. Can anyone tell me where policies should go (or is it just obvious, like 'wiki policies' which we'd link to the main page)?

Having the policies staring at them, like a link at the top of the main page (perhaps under the logo?) that says: "Please read Wiki policies before editing." seems the most obvious. That way there's no excuse for people to say they didn't read them.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-09 07:11pm

I think the Canon page should be renamed "Admissibility of Evidence", as per the description I used on the main page. I don't like the use of the word "Canon"; it was widespread in the old days but as time goes on I believe that its quasi-religious connotations are partly responsible for the fanaticism that we see in certain parts of the fanbase.

Moreover, it is possible for something to be canon yet NOT be part of the accepted continuity: a fact that came up during RSA's conflict with Paramount. The term "canon" can be used during disputes about what evidence is admissible, but using it as a synonym for admissibility results in false implications and is therefore misleading.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-11-09 07:22pm

The Death Star I has a confirmed acceleration of 1700 G+?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-09 07:24pm

People who just copy-paste other websites need to be caned. We need a caning software extension for WikiMedia.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-09 07:26pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Death Star I has a confirmed acceleration of 1700 G+?

I nabbed that from Mike's DS-orbit-Yavin calcs on the main site, under propulsion technology. Apparently we need an extension for tidy references, unfortunately.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-11-09 07:37pm

Stark wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Death Star I has a confirmed acceleration of 1700 G+?
I nabbed that from Mike's DS-orbit-Yavin calcs on the main site, under propulsion technology. Apparently we need an extension for tidy references, unfortunately.

He's talking about a lower limit for X-Wing's. He gives a 100 G lower limit for the Death Star.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-09 07:39pm

Illuminatus Primus
LOL. Go reading comphrehension?

I'll just... get on that policy page now....

Lord Relvenous · Post by **Lord Relvenous** » 2007-11-09 07:42pm

Darth Wong wrote:People who just copy-paste other websites need to be caned. We need a caning software extension for WikiMedia.

Motion seconded.

Just started on DS II, I'll post the final product when i get done with it. I'll go ahead and change the acceleration, Stark.