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At the risk of a tangent can i ask for a bit more information as to just how powerful these custodes are?

I mean the only info i've found so far is 'made from the emperor's geneseed' (weren't the primarchs made the same way?) 'emperor's personal guard' 'streamlined golden armour' 'halberds with guns inside'
Most of what I've gathered upon the Custodes comes from others comments towards them. IoM commanders usually consider a Space Marine (I.E. strong enough to pick 3+tons up overhead, run at speeds that enable them to cross in hours what take normal units weeks (100+ clicks a day over mountainous terrain) move fast enough to cross a room in the time it takes a human to pull the trigger on a gun, and sturdy enough to have 2 of their lungs wrecked, one of their hearts shot out of their body, half their ribs broken, get run through by a power sword and still manage to disarm the silly bastard who stuck them by twisting their torso's sidways and ripping the sword out of his hands, before in turn using it to kill him/taking a hypersonic 20mm adamantinum round to the face at point blank range and just getting pissed off super soldiers) are usually worth 1,000 Imperial Guard (the rank and file 'normal' humans). Custodes are considered to be worth a thousand Space Marines.
That's not entirely true, save in the absract. A Space Marine battallion (called a chapter) is very far superior to greater number of normal soldiers, because they are far better equipped, more mobile, better led, and so on. In actual battle, one marine is worth about ten imperial soldiers; "Give me a hundred Space Marines. Or failing that, give me a thousand other troops" to quote Rogal Dorn. Of course, this would be the very well trained and equipped Imperial Army of the era Rogal Dorn lived in, which even included some lesser genetically augmented soldiers.

In a campaign, however, thanks to their powerful and dedicated starships, a chapter may well achieve what hundreds of thousands or millions of ordinary soldiers could not (say, defeating the defenders of a city), but this should not be seen as indicative of them being individually that powerful.

The kill ratio observed in battle by what one might call 'the Hands of the Emperor' against the traitorous Thousand Sons legion was five to one. But that battle (IIRC) included the Custodes' (somewhat literal) sister organisation, the Sisters of Silence, whose abilities were no doubt greater against the Thousand Sons, due to the Sisters being specialist psyker-hunters, immune to psychic powers, and the Thousand Sons relying heavily on psykers.

In the ten thousand years since the Heresy, the Sisters of Silence appear to have been wiped out, and the Custodes have abandoned the use of armour, preffering to dress like those idiot Spartans from 300, in leather underpants and capes. Pictures(!) and quotes on that last bit are available on request.
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Darth Servo wrote:Simple in that his arguments are easily refuted. But he does employ the broken record tactic for forever and a day.
I don't simply want to beat him over the head with his blatant idiocy. I want to do it calmly, politely, and without giving him any potential ammunition to accuse me being an "evil Warsie."
Like I said, knock yourself out. I debated that fuckwad for about two years without him conceding a single damn point. He really isn't worth my time.
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Well, posted. That was much more grueling than I expected. At this point I expect him (oh boy, Spocky showed up again too) to degenerate into even more pathetic knee-jerk pro-Trek idiocy.

This could turn out hilarious.
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TC Pilot wrote:Well, posted. That was much more grueling than I expected. At this point I expect him (oh boy, Spocky showed up again too) to degenerate into even more pathetic knee-jerk pro-Trek idiocy.

This could turn out hilarious.
Jay will make excuses and evasions that don't actually deal with the point. Then after a few posts, he'll simply repost his original "list".

Example:

He claims SW has poor leadership and cites Piett being a yes-man as proof.

I would respond that military officers are SUPPOSED to follow orders from their superiors.

He cites an exception to the rule concerning not following orders that would result in reckless endangerment of lives. His specific example is using actual soldiers to clear a minefield by walking through it.

I respond that this exception has nothing to do with any of the examples he cited from SW.

He repeats his laundry list again.
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Darth Servo wrote: He claims SW has poor leadership and cites Piett being a yes-man as proof.

I would respond that military officers are SUPPOSED to follow orders from their superiors.
I imagine he gets this thinking from the various instances when Star Fleet will order him to do or not to do something, at which point the captain will say "Fuck that!" that do something silly and irrisponsable in order to save a planet from an asteroid or something.
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In the ten thousand years since the Heresy, the Sisters of Silence appear to have been wiped out, and the Custodes have abandoned the use of armour, preffering to dress like those idiot Spartans from 300, in leather underpants and capes. Pictures(!) and quotes on that last bit are available on request.
The 300 look doesn't appear to have carried on past Rogue Trader, the 2nd edition Codex Imperialis along with a few other depictions of the Custodes has them in the pointy helmets and ornate golden battle armour of the Heresy era.

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white_rabbit wrote:The 300 look doesn't appear to have carried on past Rogue Trader, the 2nd edition Codex Imperialis along with a few other depictions of the Custodes has them in the pointy helmets and ornate golden battle armour of the Heresy era.

Thank god.
Aye. The 4th edition rulebook also has an image of (what's presumably) the Emperor's throne with some Custodes in front of it. The relevant part:

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That's not the throne room, it's a pilgrim area. But yeah. I looked through the Heresy Artbook just now; I thought it had the old stuff about putting their armour up; it actually doesn't. My mistake.
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Talk about your acts of plot. I figure Kirk could get around some orders by the very fact he had to wait for dsaid orders from Star Fleet command thus he had to have some leeway. Picard on the other hand. What let him get away with it? Especially in Insurection?
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Darth Wong wrote:
TC Pilot wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Simple in that his arguments are easily refuted. But he does employ the broken record tactic for forever and a day.
I don't simply want to beat him over the head with his blatant idiocy. I want to do it calmly, politely, and without giving him any potential ammunition to accuse me being an "evil Warsie."
What will you do when he simply ignores your points over and over and repeats himself no matter what you say?

What he's doing is a lot like the "I can't hear you la la la la la" tactic. It may be childish, it may be stupid, it would be unforgivable in a mediated debate, but like it or not, it's very effective at frustrating and annoying people until they just get fed up and flame the user, at which point he declares Miss Manners victory.
It just occurred to me that all these trektards act as if their winning the argument when they are obviously losing. Is this some effect related to their wall of ignorance, or just general stupidity? Also, have you noticed that people who call us "warsie's" or "Disciplines of Wong" are all scooter cock-goblins? Am I far off here? In any event it's an interesting, if depressing, study of the lowest common denominator of intelligence on the web.
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skies wrote:

It just occurred to me that all these trektards act as if their winning the argument when they are obviously losing. Is this some effect related to their wall of ignorance, or just general stupidity? Also, have you noticed that people who call us "warsie's" or "Disciplines of Wong" are all scooter cock-goblins? Am I far off here? In any event it's an interesting, if depressing, study of the lowest common denominator of intelligence on the web.
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Sorry for the double post, but has anyone seen Jay's newest rant? The origin of Husker?

Ye Gods... more pathetic than I thought possible.
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Aratech wrote:
skies wrote:It just occurred to me that all these trektards act as if their winning the argument when they are obviously losing. Is this some effect related to their wall of ignorance, or just general stupidity? Also, have you noticed that people who call us "warsie's" or "Disciplines of Wong" are all scooter cock-goblins? Am I far off here? In any event it's an interesting, if depressing, study of the lowest common denominator of intelligence on the web.
There's a clinical definition of what they suffer from: Denial. It most commonly manifests itself in the posts of the all too commonly encountered Fanboyus Rabiosus Stupidus, who suffer from a condition that ranges from Mild (Ryan) to moderate (Kinkade001) to advanced (Spocky, Husker) to Terminal (RSA).
Actually, I think it's because they are a very small group of people who talk mostly amongst themselves and have little other social validation in their lives, so they spend a lot of time boosting each other up. We have no particular need of emotional validation from each other so we flame each other at least as much as we agree, particularly on political subjects. I have flamed the shit out of many people on this forum even if they agree with me about SW vs ST, because I don't care for the kind of person who only agrees with me about SW vs ST because he likes me or wants my approval. That kind of person is an annoyance rather than a help, and I will not encourage it. But I get the feeling that those kids are all having a big ol' love-in.
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Darth Wong wrote:
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skies wrote:It just occurred to me that all these trektards act as if their winning the argument when they are obviously losing. Is this some effect related to their wall of ignorance, or just general stupidity? Also, have you noticed that people who call us "warsie's" or "Disciplines of Wong" are all scooter cock-goblins? Am I far off here? In any event it's an interesting, if depressing, study of the lowest common denominator of intelligence on the web.
There's a clinical definition of what they suffer from: Denial. It most commonly manifests itself in the posts of the all too commonly encountered Fanboyus Rabiosus Stupidus, who suffer from a condition that ranges from Mild (Ryan) to moderate (Kinkade001) to advanced (Spocky, Husker) to Terminal (RSA).
Actually, I think it's because they are a very small group of people who talk mostly amongst themselves and have little other social validation in their lives, so they spend a lot of time boosting each other up. We have no particular need of emotional validation from each other so we flame each other at least as much as we agree, particularly on political subjects. I have flamed the shit out of many people on this forum even if they agree with me about SW vs ST, because I don't care for the kind of person who only agrees with me about SW vs ST because he likes me or wants my approval. That kind of person is an annoyance rather than a help, and I will not encourage it. But I get the feeling that those kids are all having a big ol' love-in.

That's a good point, especially when you consider that ANY criticism of their beloved Trek franchise is blasphemy. I'm probably rehashing old news here, but it's striking that us "evil warsies" are happy to admit that the Star Wars franchise has dropped the ball on more that one occasion (Jar Jar Binks anyone?), or that their are other Sci-fi franchises that would hand SW its collective ass, whereas nobody but nobody can measure up to the mighty Federation (because Right makes Might(tm), and the Federation couldn't be wrong if they tried).

On another note, am I right in thinking that the term "Warsie" is a Darkstar original? It's got that 'you called me a bad name, so I've got to show you up' quality to it.
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I just read that more of Husker's post, but apparently, he called 'Warsie' debators pedophiles, and somehow we're the assholes? :?
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General Schatten wrote:I just read that more of Husker's post, but apparently, he called 'Warsie' debators pedophiles, and somehow we're the assholes? :?
What were you expecting? Our dear little reactionary troll employs double standards on the level that he makes Fox News look fair and balanced.
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General Schatten wrote:I just read that more of Husker's post, but apparently, he called 'Warsie' debators pedophiles, and somehow we're the assholes? :?
Yes, that was his favorite comeback when I first met him a few years ago.
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General Schatten wrote:I just read that more of Husker's post, but apparently, he called 'Warsie' debators pedophiles, and somehow we're the assholes? :?
That doesn't even make any sense. Thinks SW > ST = Pedophile? Is this Husker guy completely deranged? (Sorry, stupid question :wink: )
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skies wrote:
General Schatten wrote:I just read that more of Husker's post, but apparently, he called 'Warsie' debators pedophiles, and somehow we're the assholes? :?
That doesn't even make any sense. Thinks SW > ST = Pedophile? Is this Husker guy completely deranged? (Sorry, stupid question :wink: )
I don't think its because he's deranged.

I think its because he's pathetic, idiotic, wasting my precious O2, and deranged. I would add that I think he might be further polluting the already misaligned gene pool if I honestly believed he had any chance with the opposite sex.
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Actually, their debating psychology is much simpler than that. They view it as a sporting event, where you have opposing teams and the objective is to score more points than the other team.

They couldn't care less if they blatantly contradict themselves or use dishonest tactics: it's all about scoring points. If they can "burn" the other team, they figure they scored a point.
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Quick question: Anyone know what trek episode dealt with that Cadriassian super bomb that was supposed to combine about 1,000 kilograms of M/AM? I can't find it on the board history.
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VOY S2E17 'Dreadnought', and I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant.
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Batman wrote:VOY S2E17 'Dreadnought', and I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant.
I'm in another debate, and I need some details on the weapon. Thank's a bunch, man.
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Batman wrote:VOY S2E17 'Dreadnought', and I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant.
I'm in another debate, and I need some details on the weapon. Thank's a bunch, man.
There's no apostrophe in thanks and since the amount of reactant puts an inevitable upper limit on the yield (43GT or thereabouts) I'm not entirely sure how that makes any difference whatsoever in the vs debate. Even assuming that Cardassian warhead was NOT an omnidirectional explosive it's roughly the equivalent of 1/5th of a single Acclamator's MTL discharge.
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Batman wrote:
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Batman wrote:VOY S2E17 'Dreadnought', and I'm not entirely sure how that's relevant.
I'm in another debate, and I need some details on the weapon. Thank's a bunch, man.
There's no apostrophe in thanks and since the amount of reactant puts an inevitable upper limit on the yield (43GT or thereabouts) I'm not entirely sure how that makes any difference whatsoever in the vs debate. Even assuming that Cardassian warhead was NOT an omnidirectional explosive it's roughly the equivalent of 1/5th of a single Acclamator's MTL discharge.
My apologies for the grammar error. :oops:

And you are quite correct. But its not a versus, but a techical debate with someone once again claiming that TDIC indicates terraton level power for UFP ships. I'm using this things 43 gigaton punch, its super-weapon classification, and the fact that it sent everyone on Voyager scrambling, as evidence that they most certainly do not.

Yes, yes, I know, TDIC is a dead horse, its been shot down no less than seven times over at SB, but it doesn't stop them from trying. :roll:
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