Avengers 2 (Spoilers)

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Jarvis turned out to be far more powerful than we've seen him before. Ultron clearly saw him to be enough of a threat that he took him out the first, but didn't account for him being able to restore himself from backups.

Of course, his program capabilities had clearly been boosted somehow by both Thor's lightning blast to his chamber and being connected to an infinity stone. Either way, something in the transformation from Jarvis to Vision made him worthy of picking up Mjolnir.

[Gaidin]

Vision was literally Jarvis + part of Ultron + Infinity Stone. Also, Jarvis in Age of Ultron is years after helping run a military industrial company, as well as solutions for Iron Man fighting. I'm pretty sure he's learned quite a bit.

[Kojiro]

Wouldn't Vision be just Jarvis+ Stone? If we believe that Stark has the capacity to write information to the brain hardware, just as Ultron was doing wouldn't it be staggeringly stupid not to delete whatever portion of Ultron was there? Treating it at the very least as malicious code?

[Gaidin]

Wouldn't Vision be just Jarvis+ Stone? If we believe that Stark has the capacity to write information to the brain hardware, just as Ultron was doing wouldn't it be staggeringly stupid not to delete whatever portion of Ultron was there? Treating it at the very least as malicious code?

For the fight where they stole Vision's body there'd been some time where Ultron had uploaded a bit of himself into it. Also, not enough time to delete, as hilariously fast situation for same reason he can't just casually upload.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Not much evidence for this, but maybe Jarvis lacked in the creativity field in some manner, where he couldn't create entirely new tactics and plans without a proper basis for it and Ultron could. Basically, Jarvis has the ability to react to new events, but not plan ahead for them. Ultron, obviously, could. Throughout the movies I've seen (meaning not IM3) Jarvis has mostly relayed info to Tony, or played a reactionary role in battles where he has to control a suit. Basically just shooting at or defending things. His ability to throw witty remarks at Tony, with an obvious understanding of language equal to any human, puts him well beyond any AI programs we have now. But Tony may hold a different standard, feeling that a "true" AI must be able to adapt to entirely new situations.

Ultron was created from information pulled from the Mind Gem. Obviously, the information they could pull got corrupted in the process, or was left incomplete. So, take the parts that work from the Mind Gem and Ultron and use bits of Jarvis as a mood stabilizer. The Mind Gem was... something. Tony described it as an incredibly advanced AI, but maybe it lacked the "drive" necessary to even bother to try doing anything. So if it was gonna become useful, it needed someone to direct it. Which is why Ultron was such a pain to kick-off, at first. The last person to have used the staff, and thus the Mind Gem, was Loki. Someone we're all aware really wants to be in a position of power and dominance. So, have that sort of drive lingering in there and when you fill in the blanks needed to give it initiative to do things without being told and you get Ultron.

As to why even having the Mind Gem in place was necessary, the Vision needed a way to keep Ultron from jumping into the internet to actually defeat him. Obviously, Ultron still had his wi-fi going, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to body jump into any of the existing bodies he brought with him. Rather than making Ultron physically incapable of accessing the internet, Vision may have created what could amount to a firewall as a means of stopping Ultron's internet access.


All speculation here, of course.

[Replicant]

Even still, apparently people are just immune to things for no great reason, like in Avengers 1 when Loki's not a penis stick didn't work on Iron Man.

Well.. there was that whole 'Tink' of metal on metal.

As in Loki didn't quite realize that Stark a frikkin' reactor in his chest. So.. instead of physically touching (Yeah, yeah, it some how works through clothes... GO figure) Tony.. the not-a-penis staff is touching a dumb piece of atomic engine. Nothing mental for the not-a-penis staff to interact with so no effect.

Tony didn't give Loki time to figure out what was going wrong (As in simply Loki physically smacking Tony up-side the head with the darn thing.) , just made the quip and annoyed him.

Much cheers to all.

Maybe the scepter does need direct skin contact. It is rather pointy. Maybe Loki is poking hard enough that the tip is touching skin, so obviously it would not work when hitting the reactor in Stark's chest.

[Replicant]

Wouldn't Vision be just Jarvis+ Stone? If we believe that Stark has the capacity to write information to the brain hardware, just as Ultron was doing wouldn't it be staggeringly stupid not to delete whatever portion of Ultron was there? Treating it at the very least as malicious code?

For the fight where they stole Vision's body there'd been some time where Ultron had uploaded a bit of himself into it. Also, not enough time to delete, as hilariously fast situation for same reason he can't just casually upload.

Ultron uploaded enough for the Scarlet Witch to read the proto-Visions mind and immediately note Ultron's plan to kill all life on Earth.