SDN computer RPG questions

[Edi]

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[Shroom Man 777]

Before you blow up FROD's gundamechanimumango, and actually before you start your Kill the Mecha Scum sidequest, you can go to FROD when he is still a friendly or neutral NPC and learn a few useful tricks from him. If you do the WHORESWHORESWHORES quests and get FROD a nice petite animu girl with an enormous bossom, he will teach you the coveted ability known as the Space Juijitsu. You can teach this ability to your mechanical summons, normally only gundamechanimumango enemies can do it, but after learning it from FROD now your own T-34s can learn Space Juijitsu and can use Turret Headbutt on the gundamechanimumangos in the Outer Space Karate Tournament Missions. With the Chobham armor upgrades, the Turret Headbutt is actually more damaging then the Robot Headbutt. A modernized T-34 mechanical summon with Space Jiujitsu is actually a better swordsman/lancer build then most (all) gundamechanimumango, so you don't need to get a gundamechanimumango for your party.

Whoa whoa whoa, that is total bullshit. First of all, if you're using the T-34 you're doing it wrong. I know it looks like the best of the tank-type mecha summons on its face due to its really strong growth in DEF and END and all the modernisation upgrades you can get in Motherland and the Balkanised Regions, but that's only if you ignore the fact that all the upgrades totally kill stat growth, like with all tank-types. You can see the problem, right? Without modernisation the T-34 has abysmal RES and only has AP has a special resistance, and its basic attacks are almost pointless. The only tank-type worth a damn is the Leopard 2, especially if you want to use Space Jujitsu.

Wrong! I had to play the game again for the last few days to check this again, but using Shinn's advice, I can definitely say that the T-34 definitely throws its weight even in late-game. There's a reason why Shinn recommended it during the Thanas boss fight over your Leopard 2s and Gundamechanimumangoes! It's because the T-34 actually has a Power of Communism boost and has +10 Resistance and Damage for the Germanian race class man. Also because "Stas also gives you an item that lets you call in additional T-34/85s or IS-2s if you don't have the ability to do so yourself" and by stacking these summons, you get the Soviet Tank Horde of Doom, and only with the Soviet Tank Horde of Doom can you get the "Blow Thanas' Reichstag Up" limit break! Yeah!

Also in the context of dealing with Gundamechanimumangoes, like it's +10 boost against the Germanian race class, the T-34 also gets boosts against any Space Nazis you encounter in the game. Not a +10 boost, but a +20! This is handy when dealing against the Sieg Zeon Gundamechanimumangoes during the 'Just What The Heck Were They Thinking (Gundamechanimumango)?' side-quest. When fighting against Gundamechanimumangoes, it's better to teach the T-34 the Russian Bear Wrestling ability over the Space Jiujitsu ability though, since Space Jiujitsu needs lots of DEX and unfortunately Gundamechanimumangoes have DEX in spades. But the Russian Bear Wrestling ability totally plays into the T-34's strengths. This also makes it an effective mechanical summon to use in the Cow Tipping quest, since AT-ATs also fall under the Space Nazi classification and are susceptible to Russian Bear Wrestling. You can also equip the T-34 with rope to tip the AT-ATs. If you combine the Zhukov Special Upgrade of the T-34 and let it reach Zangrief Level in Bear Wrestling Ability, it can perform Tank Piledriver which I don't think any other mechanical summon has. The only thing that comes close is the Gundamechanimumangoes' Space Jiujitsu Suplex, but using a 1960s GRAPH Spell from the HAB nullifies that ability by degrading the Gundamechanimumangoes' leg joints or something.

Also, I found out that the anti-Nazi boosts of the T-34 extends to aircraft summons as well. Upgrade the T-34's cupola machinegun with tracers and it will have improved effectiveness against Nazi-German WW2 fighters like Stuka dive bombers, Messerschmitts and TIEs.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Also if you go to the Justice League before the second Thanas boss fight, you can use the "Golden Age" bonus summons, and bring up the Captain America, Invaders, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, and Superman all for a single low cost. Strangely this doesn't work against the Japanese Race Class for some reason.

[Ford Prefect]

Wrong! I had to play the game again for the last few days to check this again, but using Shinn's advice, I can definitely say that the T-34 definitely throws its weight even in late-game. There's a reason why Shinn recommended it during the Thanas boss fight over your Leopard 2s and Gundamechanimumangoes! It's because the T-34 actually has a Power of Communism boost and has +10 Resistance and Damage for the Germanian race class man. Also because "Stas also gives you an item that lets you call in additional T-34/85s or IS-2s if you don't have the ability to do so yourself" and by stacking these summons, you get the Soviet Tank Horde of Doom, and only with the Soviet Tank Horde of Doom can you get the "Blow Thanas' Reichstag Up" limit break! Yeah!

Also in the context of dealing with Gundamechanimumangoes, like it's +10 boost against the Germanian race class, the T-34 also gets boosts against any Space Nazis you encounter in the game. Not a +10 boost, but a +20! This is handy when dealing against the Sieg Zeon Gundamechanimumangoes during the 'Just What The Heck Were They Thinking (Gundamechanimumango)?' side-quest. When fighting against Gundamechanimumangoes, it's better to teach the T-34 the Russian Bear Wrestling ability over the Space Jiujitsu ability though, since Space Jiujitsu needs lots of DEX and unfortunately Gundamechanimumangoes have DEX in spades. But the Russian Bear Wrestling ability totally plays into the T-34's strengths. This also makes it an effective mechanical summon to use in the Cow Tipping quest, since AT-ATs also fall under the Space Nazi classification and are susceptible to Russian Bear Wrestling. You can also equip the T-34 with rope to tip the AT-ATs. If you combine the Zhukov Special Upgrade of the T-34 and let it reach Zangrief Level in Bear Wrestling Ability, it can perform Tank Piledriver which I don't think any other mechanical summon has. The only thing that comes close is the Gundamechanimumangoes' Space Jiujitsu Suplex, but using a 1960s GRAPH Spell from the HAB nullifies that ability by degrading the Gundamechanimumangoes' leg joints or something.

Also, I found out that the anti-Nazi boosts of the T-34 extends to aircraft summons as well. Upgrade the T-34's cupola machinegun with tracers and it will have improved effectiveness against Nazi-German WW2 fighters like Stuka dive bombers, Messerschmitts and TIEs.

Those are true, but specific. You can't rely on special traits which are only effective against a fraction of the enemy types in the game - after all the Gundam is the first robot-type you get in the game it also has an attack bonus against enemies in the Nazi-category. But I'd never suggest using the Gundam late game because it has the same sort of stat growth you get on all early mecha-summons. I mean, think about it: sure, the T-34 can be competetive against a lot of the Thanas bosses in the first couple of playthroughs, but do you really think that it would be that useful against Final Thanas in your sixth playthrough on SDN Must Die - Heaven or Hell? Of course not, because it just doesn't have the base stat growth or synergies required to be a top tier mecha-summon. This is why the Leopard 2 is so good: it rivals even top plane-types for growth and has a stat spread which favours serious end game power. It's one of the few mecha-summons that is really useful in the last playthrough and Chapter X. The T-34 is just something that casuals latched onto due to second hand accounts of SDN Ultimania that have never been properly debunked.

Seriously, next people are going to try and tell me that Apprenticing is better than Replays. It took months to stop that crap getting circulated.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Okay, this freaking SUCKS! I got through Fundieland, and I had an awesome party. Stuart, Stas, Shep, and the Duchess altogether when suddenly BAM!

A random encounter. No problem, right? Only its that RAR! Hippo and he gives a side quest: Conquer Hell and Liberate Heaven.

My whole party sat down and started WRITING, and Stuart keeps giving me 'research' and 'proofread' sidequests. I've done 60 of them and they just keep coming. Is this a bug, or some questline that didn't get finished?

Also, how do I get the +5 vs. reality bow the Twinkie Messiah drops. I tried occam's razor, but I guess that doesn't work on him even though he's not a fundie subtype. Do I have to get Tev and her hammer attack, cuz thats a pain to get them all the way across the map when I havn't even unlocked them.

[PeZook]

Jesus christ, I wonder how such glaring bugs got through the betatest.

While doing Goddamn Libertopians, my party keeps doing something odd: whenever I get a random encounter, they dogpile the mob, and before I can get a shot in, it's dead and they stand around in a circle congratulating each other. I can't break them out of it, the only way is to aggro another mob and lead it back to them, at which point they immediately dogpile it as well. The battle music doesn't even start...

It's a fucking pain in the ass: moving across Libertopia is taking me ages because of it. And they're carrying all those awesome upgraded weapons and armor and my blinged out gundamechanimumangos, so I don't want to just leave them there

I even loaded up a previous save and tried with a different party, but it doesn't work. Fucking hell, I'm thinking of skipping that quest line altogether, but that will mean moving all the way back to Fundieland, or maybe even SWvsST.

[Ford Prefect]

Also, how do I get the +5 vs. reality bow the Twinkie Messiah drops. I tried occam's razor, but I guess that doesn't work on him even though he's not a fundie subtype. Do I have to get Tev and her hammer attack, cuz thats a pain to get them all the way across the map when I havn't even unlocked them.

As far as I know, the only real way is to hit up the Golden Twinkie and Item World it. He shows up pretty regularly past phase 30, and you can get it as a random drop so you're more likely than not to get it. Of course, if you're Item Worlding the Golden Twinkie, and I assure that you'll find something better than on the bottom level.

[CaptainChewbacca]

As far as I know, the only real way is to hit up the Golden Twinkie and Item World it. He shows up pretty regularly past phase 30, and you can get it as a random drop so you're more likely than not to get it. Of course, if you're Item Worlding the Golden Twinkie, and I assure that you'll find something better than on the bottom level.

What? The notes said the thing was supposed to be the best bow against delusion in the game. So I wasted all that time on a weapon thats no good?

[Scottish Ninja]

I heard (from a friend of a friend) that there is another way to do it; he said that you need to have Darth Wong in your party and then get a copy of "LeMay's D-Day speech" from Shep, but he wouldn't give me any other details.

[Shroom Man 777]

Those are true, but specific. You can't rely on special traits which are only effective against a fraction of the enemy types in the game

I thought the majority of enemies everywhere would be Nazis! Or Germans! Wasn't SDN Must Die - Heaven or Hell supposed to be hyper-realistic and politically relevant? I am sads.

I also assumed the Leopard 2 would have the same disadvantage against Thanas due to the same "Overengineering" weakness of Panzers.

[Ford Prefect]

What? The notes said the thing was supposed to be the best bow against delusion in the game. So I wasted all that time on a weapon thats no good?

It's good, but trust me, if you want a weapon good against delusion, get to the bottom level of a Golden Twinkie Item world. I can't tell you any more because it would ruin the surprise, but make sure your mains are around effective level 11,200.

I thought the majority of enemies everywhere would be Nazis! Or Germans! Wasn't SDN Must Die - Heaven or Hell supposed to be hyper-realistic and politically relevant? I am sads.

I also assumed the Leopard 2 would have the same disadvantage against Thanas due to the same "Overengineering" weakness of Panzers.

SDN Must Die - Heaven or Hell doesn't really change the Raceclass spread compared to what you would encounter in previous playthroughs - you'd run into more Nazis than you would compared to a normal game, but not a hugely different number. Also the Leopard 2 doesn't have Overengineered as a special trait. Not that it would matter if you're going up against Final Thanas: if you have time to worry about the AP loss due to Overengineered then you've probably already lost.

[dworkin]

I'm stuck on the Stewie quest at the moment. You have to find his secret base in the Trollands and get the 'Adult Drinks' so he cannot use them on you in the boss fight. However after searching his base (just a shack really), I cannot find any such item! Help!

[TimothyC]

I heard (from a friend of a friend) that there is another way to do it; he said that you need to have Darth Wong in your party and then get a copy of "LeMay's D-Day speech" from Shep, but he wouldn't give me any other details.

You have to have Shep and Stuart in your party to get the speech. And it's the TBO speech, not the D-Day speech. It's also only unlocked if you already used AWPD-1.

[The Yosemite Bear]

also in Heaven and Hell, if you rescue 18 kittens back in the pet zone missions before handling the castrated by a cat mission, you can get the COTK status ability, which allows you to use unblockable demonic cats in Heaven and Hell.

[Ford Prefect]

I'm stuck on the Stewie quest at the moment. You have to find his secret base in the Trollands and get the 'Adult Drinks' so he cannot use them on you in the boss fight. However after searching his base (just a shack really), I cannot find any such item! Help!

Some of the random enemies you can encounter in academic themed areas will have the special trait 'PhD-plus'. Get some high LOG characters into your battle party and attempt to Sway them to your cause, which may be hard because they will have very high LOG and the academic-type enemies are hard to bribe in a Sway. It sounds like you're on your first playthrough, so you may not have a Thanas yet, but if you do load him with some of the good history texts and that will really help you out. If you can get eight on-side (yeah I know), you'll get a special event when you hit SDI where they have lunch with Stuart at SDI, and he'll actually give them Adult Drinks, which means he doesn't have them available as a skill in the second stage of his boss battle.

Oooor you could get Darth nostril, which is hard but less tedious, because he gets a serious buff when Adult Drinks are used on him, good enough to take out a boss like second stage Stuart at SDI in only a couple of rounds, so long as you're in the right level range - about 85-98 for that point in the game.

[The Yosemite Bear]

so what advice on the Boondock Saints vs. Old Ones quests, or Trinity vs. Mary Poppin's optional side quest...

[CaptainChewbacca]

so what advice on the Boondock Saints vs. Old Ones quests, or Trinity vs. Mary Poppin's optional side quest...

The Saints vs. Old Ones is easy, you just need to have some rope.

[PeZook]

Trinity vs. Mary Poppins is a real bitch, though I'm suspecting it's due to content that's been rumored to have been cut from the game so that it could get a Teen ESRB classification.

[Solauren]

I'm stuck on the Stewie quest at the moment. You have to find his secret base in the Trollands and get the 'Adult Drinks' so he cannot use them on you in the boss fight. However after searching his base (just a shack really), I cannot find any such item! Help!

Some of the random enemies you can encounter in academic themed areas will have the special trait 'PhD-plus'. Get some high LOG characters into your battle party and attempt to Sway them to your cause, which may be hard because they will have very high LOG and the academic-type enemies are hard to bribe in a Sway. It sounds like you're on your first playthrough, so you may not have a Thanas yet, but if you do load him with some of the good history texts and that will really help you out. If you can get eight on-side (yeah I know), you'll get a special event when you hit SDI where they have lunch with Stuart at SDI, and he'll actually give them Adult Drinks, which means he doesn't have them available as a skill in the second stage of his boss battle.

Oooor you could get Darth nostril, which is hard but less tedious, because he gets a serious buff when Adult Drinks are used on him, good enough to take out a boss like second stage Stuart at SDI in only a couple of rounds, so long as you're in the right level range - about 85-98 for that point in the game.

Go East of the Shack, and climb down the burned tree. You'll enter a secret area. A nice house with garden.

you'll get Stewie's mom. Add her to your party. When you fight Stewie, he immediately grabs him by his ear, and tells him to stop using Grandpa's pictures on the Internet. Stewie will then turn into a 10 year old and start crying. Stewie's mom will drag him off screen. Do this and you get Double XP.

Triple Xp if you manage to seduce his mom first.

[dworkin]

Thanks for the advice. In the Heaven/Hell quest people claim you just need to spam armour attacks to win but I don't think I there are enough material components and that's what the NPCs seem to be saying. Would some science attacks mixed in help relieve the burden or should I just spam armour?

Also occasionally all of Shep's attack options changes to 'NUKEY NUKEY!'. Is this a bug? If it's not a bug, how does it activate?

[Solauren]

Thanks for the advice. In the Heaven/Hell quest people claim you just need to spam armour attacks to win but I don't think I there are enough material components and that's what the NPCs seem to be saying. Would some science attacks mixed in help relieve the burden or should I just spam armour?

Also occasionally all of Shep's attack options changes to 'NUKEY NUKEY!'. Is this a bug? If it's not a bug, how does it activate?

That's an Easter Egg. Just wait a bit, and 'Shep' will calm down.

We tried to base things on real life, after all

[RedImperator]

Triple Xp if you manage to seduce his mom first.

You need Red in your party for this.

[The Yosemite Bear]

how about OLD ASVS zone, and the "Chicken Ranch" where gaint inbred radioactive chickens attack for 1k points minimum of pecking damage, and are usually hasted, berzerk and giving off rad poisoning status effects.s

[Solauren]

how about OLD ASVS zone, and the "Chicken Ranch" where gaint inbred radioactive chickens attack for 1k points minimum of pecking damage, and are usually hasted, berzerk and giving off rad poisoning status effects.s

I didn't have anything to do with the development of that area. I vague remember something about using Calculator attacks.

[dworkin]

That's an Easter Egg. Just wait a bit, and 'Shep' will calm down.

Damn. Thought it could cut down my 1960s GRAPHS expenditure.