The most deranged military rant I've seen.

[Sidewinder]

Really...I kinda expected a rant that included a super-secret 4th Reich Antarctica base

It's been done before, in one of the Mack Bolan books.

[Questor]

Really...I kinda expected a rant that included a super-secret 4th Reich Antarctica base

It's been done before, in one of the Mack Bolan books.

Didn't Cussler run that plot as well?

[Coiler]

Oh boy, Sparky's wall of ignorance is stronger than ever. In response to me pointing out his cowardice, he said this:

You obviously know how to BE envious but you don't know what it is as per JEALOUSY.

They are two different things.

When you learn what envy is you might even learn to stop having it as your mindset.

Mike =o)

What a nut.

My reply:

Is that all you got, Sparky? A completely unsupported personal attack? What evidence do you have that I and everyone else at am envious and/or jealous of you?

I on the other hand, do have evidence of your cowardice. You only allow comments that you approve to appear on your videos, and you have refused to debate on SDN, so when I call you a coward, I can back it up what I say.

What's the matter, afraid to face the evidence that your plans for the US military may not be the best for it after all?

[Rogue 9]

Notice how he clammed up after you linked him to this thread; he suddenly became aware that the debates he was having via PM were becoming public. The last thing he wants is a public debate, so now that he knows he's having one, he's not going to give anything more except insults.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Really...I kinda expected a rant that included a super-secret 4th Reich Antarctica base ;)

It's been done before, in one of the Mack Bolan books.

Didn't Cussler run that plot as well?

The whole thing is based on the fact that one branch of Esoteric Hitlerism (a religion based around Hitler being a demigod created by a crazed Greek convert to Hinduism, Savitri Devi--who was also the originator of all holocaust denial, btw. Charming person--but she loved cats.) holds that the Earth is hollow, with holes at the north and south poles (which are hidden by government conspiracy) leading to the inner surface of the hollow Earth, where God Hitler rules a fourth reich of pure Aryan supermen that he is preparing to conquer the rest of the world and cleanse it of mud people, and UFOs are Fourth Reich reconaissance craft which fly up out of the holes in the poles. Also the Byrd expedition of 1946 to Antarctica was actually an attempt to defeat the Nazis in the hollow Earth, but despite the use of nuclear weapons it failed due to their flying saucers

This is all believed by people such as Zundel, who actually in the early 1980s almost managed to raise enough money amongst Neo-Nazis so they could rent a 747, repaint it with Swastikas so it would be recognized as friendly by the Fourth Reich UFOs and not get shot down, and fly through the hole in the Pole to go live with Hitler in the all-white paradise of the Hollow Earth.

[Patrick Degan]

It's been done before, in one of the Mack Bolan books.

Didn't Cussler run that plot as well?

The whole thing is based on the fact that one branch of Esoteric Hitlerism (a religion based around Hitler being a demigod created by a crazed Greek convert to Hinduism, Savitri Devi--who was also the originator of all holocaust denial, btw. Charming person--but she loved cats.) holds that the Earth is hollow, with holes at the north and south poles (which are hidden by government conspiracy) leading to the inner surface of the hollow Earth, where God Hitler rules a fourth reich of pure Aryan supermen that he is preparing to conquer the rest of the world and cleanse it of mud people, and UFOs are Fourth Reich reconaissance craft which fly up out of the holes in the poles. Also the Byrd expedition of 1946 to Antarctica was actually an attempt to defeat the Nazis in the hollow Earth, but despite the use of nuclear weapons it failed due to their flying sources.

This is all believed by people such as Zundel, who actually in the early 1980s almost managed to raise enough money amongst Neo-Nazis so they could rent a 747, repaint it with Swastikas so it would be recognized as friendly by the Fourth Reich UFOs and not get shot down, and fly through the hole in the Pole to go live with Hitler in the all-white paradise of the Hollow Earth.

That's pretty much the weird little fantasy mocked by the Church of The SubGenius, in addition to their wider-scale parody of Scientology.

[PeZook]

This is all believed by people such as Zundel, who actually in the early 1980s almost managed to raise enough money amongst Neo-Nazis so they could rent a 747, repaint it with Swastikas so it would be recognized as friendly by the Fourth Reich UFOs and not get shot down, and fly through the hole in the Pole to go live with Hitler in the all-white paradise of the Hollow Earth.

Holy shit! I just realized you can scam such people for money.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I liked it when Clive Cussler did Nazis in Antarctica.

I just wish I could find some clear-cut info on the Milennium 2002 thing. Did he break the rules and act like a douche, or is the OPFOR guy a tactical genius?

[Sea Skimmer]

I just wish I could find some clear-cut info on the Milennium 2002 thing. Did he break the rules and act like a douche, or is the OPFOR guy a tactical genius?

Broke the rules blatantly and got his ass kicked out the door for it. Then he ran to the media and started whining about how his brilliance was being ignored, and the military just kept right on ignoring him.

[Sidewinder]

This is all believed by people such as Zundel, who actually in the early 1980s almost managed to raise enough money amongst Neo-Nazis so they could rent a 747, repaint it with Swastikas so it would be recognized as friendly by the Fourth Reich UFOs and not get shot down, and fly through the hole in the Pole to go live with Hitler in the all-white paradise of the Hollow Earth.

Holy shit! I just realized you can scam such people for money.

If the Neo-Nazis are stupid enough to fall for a scam that screams, "IT'S A SCAM!!!" like email urging you to pay a banker in some African shithole to get a piece of a secret bank account with millions of dollars, that puts a Boeing 747-sized hole in their claim that Aryans are (intellectually) superior to other races.

[Edward Yee]

Broke the rules blatantly and got his ass kicked out the door for it. Then he ran to the media and started whining about how his brilliance was being ignored, and the military just kept right on ignoring him.

Wasn't his problem with the rules in the first place?

[Morilore]

The whole thing is based on the fact that one branch of Esoteric Hitlerism (a religion based around Hitler being a demigod created by a crazed Greek convert to Hinduism, Savitri Devi--who was also the originator of all holocaust denial, btw. Charming person--but she loved cats.) holds that the Earth is hollow, with holes at the north and south poles (which are hidden by government conspiracy) leading to the inner surface of the hollow Earth, where God Hitler rules a fourth reich of pure Aryan supermen that he is preparing to conquer the rest of the world and cleanse it of mud people, and UFOs are Fourth Reich reconaissance craft which fly up out of the holes in the poles. Also the Byrd expedition of 1946 to Antarctica was actually an attempt to defeat the Nazis in the hollow Earth, but despite the use of nuclear weapons it failed due to their flying saucers

Didn't we have a swiftly-banned poster here at one point who posted some rantings by that person? I recognize the name.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

The whole thing is based on the fact that one branch of Esoteric Hitlerism (a religion based around Hitler being a demigod created by a crazed Greek convert to Hinduism, Savitri Devi--who was also the originator of all holocaust denial, btw. Charming person--but she loved cats.) holds that the Earth is hollow, with holes at the north and south poles (which are hidden by government conspiracy) leading to the inner surface of the hollow Earth, where God Hitler rules a fourth reich of pure Aryan supermen that he is preparing to conquer the rest of the world and cleanse it of mud people, and UFOs are Fourth Reich reconaissance craft which fly up out of the holes in the poles. Also the Byrd expedition of 1946 to Antarctica was actually an attempt to defeat the Nazis in the hollow Earth, but despite the use of nuclear weapons it failed due to their flying saucers

Didn't we have a swiftly-banned poster here at one point who posted some rantings by that person? I recognize the name.

He was quoting excerpts from her book The Lightning and the Sun, yes, in which she laid out her philosophy/religion of The Godhood of Adolf Hitler, the book being dedicated with:

"To the god-like Individual of our times; the Man against Time; the greatest European of all times; both Sun and Lightning: ADOLF HITLER, as a tribute of unfailing love and loyalty, for ever and ever."

[Sidewinder]

It amazes me that Savitri Devi didn't become a Darwin Award winner early in life.

Born as Maximine Julia Portaz, Savitri Devi was the daughter of a Greek/Lombard Italian father and an English mother. She was born two and a half months premature, weighing only 930 grams (2.05 lbs) and expected to not live. She formed her political views early on. From childhood and throughout her life, she was a passionate advocate for animal rights, which was related to her views of Jews as the practitioners of Kosher slaughter. Her earliest political affiliations were with Greek nationalism.[1] During World War I, she was outraged by the Triple Entente's invasion of neutral Greece.

Despite the country's numerically small and ill-equipped armed forces, Greece made a decisive contribution to the Allied efforts in World War II. At the start of the war Greece sided with the Allies and refused to give in to Italian demands. Italy invaded Greece on 28 October 1940, but Greek troops repelled the invaders after a bitter struggle (see Greco-Italian War). This marked the first Allied victory in the war.

Primarily to secure his strategic southern flank, German dictator Adolf Hitler reluctantly stepped in and launched the Battle of Greece. Troops from Germany, Bulgaria, and Italy successfully invaded Greece, overcoming Greek, British, Australian, and New Zealand units.

On 20 May 1941 the Germans attempted to seize Crete in a massive attack by paratroops—with the aim of reducing the threat of a counter-offensive by Allied forces in Egypt—but faced heavy resistance. The Greek campaign delayed German military plans against Russia and it is argued that German invasion of the Soviet Union started on the 22nd of June instead of the planed 20th of May. The heavy losses lead the Germans to launch no further large-scale air-invasions.

During the years of Occupation of Greece by Nazi Germany, thousands of Greeks died in direct combat, in concentration camps or of starvation. The occupiers murdered the greater part of the Jewish community despite efforts by the Greek Orthodox Church and many Christian Greeks to shelter Jews. The economy was devastated.

I can understand the appeal of Holocaust denial, considering the anti-Semeticism present in "Christian" nations, but "Nazis committing mass murder in your own homeland, killing people of your own race" denial? That's as logical as a real-life rape victim falling in love with a rapist. (I use "real-life" because too many works of Japanese writers portray just that.)

[The Duchess of Zeon]

By 1940, Savitri Devi was living in Lucknow India and married to a member of the Indian Fascist Party.

[Sidewinder]

After World War II, she travelled to Europe in late 1945 (as the wife of an Indian — she was Savitri Devi Mukherji now — she had a British passport). Her first stop was England, where she made contacts. She then visited her mother in France and then travelled on to Iceland where she witnessed the eruption of Mount Hekla.
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Arrested for posting bills, she was tried (in Düsseldorf on April 5, 1949), for the promotion of Nazi ideas on German territory subject to the Allied Control Council, and sentenced to two years imprisonment. She served eight months in Werl prison, where she befriended her fellow Nazi and SS prisoners, (recounted in Defiance) before being released and expelled from Germany. She went to stay in Lyon, France.

In April of 1953, she obtained a Greek passport in her maiden name in order to re-enter Germany, and she began a pilgrimage, as she called it, of Nazi holy sites.

So after visiting places that have been directly affected by Nazi violence (including a place that, according to Wikipedia, was "a centre for the occupying German forces and also a stronghold of resistance during World War II"), she was STILL in love with the madman who ordered the razing of her homelands of France, England, and Greece? That requires either blindness AND deafness, or obsessions and delusions to the level where she might think she's a tree and stand still for an entire day, to NOT notice the damaged by the war, the reconstruction to repair this damage, AND the anger and grief of those who've suffered and/or lost loved ones to Nazi brutality.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Hitler was the avatar of the Gods, so it was all part of some ineluctable divine plan by which to halt the descent of Earth into the Kali Yuga.

[That NOS Guy]

By 1940, Savitri Devi was living in Lucknow India and married to a member of the Indian Fascist Party.

Did she fall in with Chandra Bose and his ideals at all?

[Zixinus]

So after visiting places that have been directly affected by Nazi violence (including a place that, according to Wikipedia, was "a centre for the occupying German forces and also a stronghold of resistance during World War II"), she was STILL in love with the madman who ordered the razing of her homelands of France, England, and Greece? That requires either blindness AND deafness, or obsessions and delusions to the level where she might think she's a tree and stand still for an entire day, to NOT notice the damaged by the war, the reconstruction to repair this damage, AND the anger and grief of those who've suffered and/or lost loved ones to Nazi brutality.

A scene from a film comes to mind, about the Nobel-prize winning book "Sorstalanság" ("Fatelesness" I guess). After a boy (the protagonist) who gone trough hell arrived to his home town, there was a man in the train station that stopped him (to his credit, politely). The man was asking about the concentration camps, right after a woman whom was asking for a lost loved one. I don't recall the question excatly, but I think he was asking about whether there were even and what happened in them.

The boy didn't indulge him, and like a good, well-mannered Hungarian shrugged and said something annoyingly ambiguous, then went on without a word (with the wisdom that there is no use shouting with an imbecile, as politely annoying him will archive far more). I don't remember much more then that, but it was meant to portray the holocaust-deniers.

Keep in mind, that the film is not (entirely) fictional: this was a film based on a book that was the real-life experiences of a Jew whom experienced the holocaust and suffered, even nearly died, in labour camps.

[Big Orange]

Hypocritical, possibly delusional traitors like Davi were irrational misanthropes who wanted to inflict harm on everybody and saw the Nazis as a golden opportunity to fulfill their malicious urges.

[Adrian Laguna]

I wonder how a debate between Hollow Earth Hitler-God nutcases and Hollow Earth Lizard Men nutcases would go.

Maybe after a while they'll agree that they're both sort of right. Hitler doesn't rule the Hollow Earth, the Lizard Men do. But he does await there for the day when his Aryan hordes shall return to the exterior and cleanse the world. In exchange for their hospitality the Lizard Men get advanced Nazi technology, and maybe some enclaves on the surface. I'm not sure how the Greys fit into this, though.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

[Sidewinder]

I wonder how a debate between Hollow Earth Hitler-God nutcases and Hollow Earth Lizard Men nutcases would go.

Somewhere, some sci-fi writer is pitching the idea for a story where the US gets caught up in a conflict between the Nazi and Lizard Men inhabiting the Hollow Earth, resulting in a three-way war between the powers. Someday, this writer will pitch an idea for a movie, based on that premise, to Michael Bay. The resulting movie will be crap, but it'll still make money because it has lots of cool gunfights and pretty fireballs in it, and teenagers love gunfights and fireballs.

[Ohma]

Wasn't that the plot for Super Atragon?

[Winston Blake]

I wonder how a debate between Hollow Earth Hitler-God nutcases and Hollow Earth Lizard Men nutcases would go.

Maybe after a while they'll agree that they're both sort of right. Hitler doesn't rule the Hollow Earth, the Lizard Men do. But he does await there for the day when his Aryan hordes shall return to the exterior and cleanse the world. In exchange for their hospitality the Lizard Men get advanced Nazi technology, and maybe some enclaves on the surface. I'm not sure how the Greys fit into this, though.

The Greys are obviously interdimensional philosopher-warriors who have been drawn to Earth by the Immortal God-Fuehrer's powerful psychic energy signature. Having laid eyes upon his muscular greatness, their entire civilisation bowed down, and now serves Him by spreading the good word of Nazism to the shadow realms. Duh.

Somewhere, some sci-fi writer is pitching the idea for a story where the US gets caught up in a conflict between the Nazi and Lizard Men inhabiting the Hollow Earth, resulting in a three-way war between the powers. Someday, this writer will pitch an idea for a movie, based on that premise, to Michael Bay. The resulting movie will be crap, but it'll still make money because it has lots of cool gunfights and pretty fireballs in it, and teenagers love gunfights and fireballs.

Wasn't that the plot for Super Atragon?

Note to self: must see Super Atragon.

[PeZook]

A movie about future space Nazis battling Reptillian aliens for dominance of a hollow earth would be incredibly awesome. Squadrons of Nazi UFOs battling it out over Europe with the combined might of the world's air forces! Huge battles against Nazi supermen SS soldier armed with magical antigravity guns! Intrepid Reptillian resistance rescuing defecting Nazi scientists! Resurrected Stalin (you know the Russkies have him cryogenically frozen, right?) facing Hitler in epic single combat!

Add boobs and you have a winner.