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[Darth Ruinus]

ON stormtrooper armor

"Due to the sheer firepower of blasters, the protection that any armor can offer is limited; the armor cannot fully protect its wearer from a direct hit, although it may mitigate the impact."

I'd argue that it's actually more effective than is commonly believed.

IIRC; the main blasters we see in the movies are Han Solo's heavy DL-44 pistol (a .454 Casull equivalent) and Imperial issue E-11s. Normal civilians aren't going to have access to those kinds of powerful weaponry; nor will many rebel groups due to weapons restrictions in the Empire.

Secondly, we never see any real quantitative evidence of blaster insta-kills on armored personnel, for all we know, it may reduce a E-11 shot from "instant death to unarmored personnel" to 'cracked ribs, and six days in a bacta tube"

This is true, since in A New Hope we see that one stormtrooper checking on a downed stormie right before Vader enters the area.

Either this guy is dead, and the stormie is just looking at his dead buddy (which I dont think would actually happen) or he is checking to see if he is alive but injured.

Or someone has evidence that blaster bolts always kill stormies?

[Peptuck]

ON stormtrooper armor

"Due to the sheer firepower of blasters, the protection that any armor can offer is limited; the armor cannot fully protect its wearer from a direct hit, although it may mitigate the impact."

I'd argue that it's actually more effective than is commonly believed.

IIRC; the main blasters we see in the movies are Han Solo's heavy DL-44 pistol (a .454 Casull equivalent) and Imperial issue E-11s. Normal civilians aren't going to have access to those kinds of powerful weaponry; nor will many rebel groups due to weapons restrictions in the Empire.

Secondly, we never see any real quantitative evidence of blaster insta-kills on armored personnel, for all we know, it may reduce a E-11 shot from "instant death to unarmored personnel" to 'cracked ribs, and six days in a bacta tube"

Indeed. I believe that several incidents in the Endor battle show blaster bolts hitting Stormtroopers but failing to penetrate their armor, instead simply knocking them down and producing bursts of sparks. This would be consistent with observed kinetic impacts, such as battle droids being flung backward or R2 being slammed against the far wall of the bunker.

[Darth Ruinus]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wik ... ar_banners

I LOLed.

Dammit Stark, I didn think you would do it

Still, its pretty funny.

[Darth Ruinus]

Could someone check out the article on Droideka Personal Shields? I wrote a basic summary, but I think someone (who knows more about this than me) should fix it up a bit.

[MKSheppard]

As my first tyrannical dictatoral decree as admin of the SDN Wiki....

I declare........

That the Messholes Are Protected by Sheppard's Fiat!

After some punctuation cleanups, the Mess Page is now protected so that only sysops can edit it.

[MKSheppard]

As my second tyrannical dictatoral decree as admin of the SDN Wiki....

I declare........

That DEATH is banned.

[MKSheppard]

Battlegroup

Ground Support Wing

[Darth Wong]

As my second tyrannical dictatoral decree as admin of the SDN Wiki....

I declare........

That DEATH is banned.

Good news. His spammy bullshit was intolerable.

[drachefly]

Secondly, we never see any real quantitative evidence of blaster insta-kills on armored personnel, for all we know, it may reduce a E-11 shot from "instant death to unarmored personnel" to 'cracked ribs, and six days in a bacta tube"

This fits perfectly with the old d6 RPG mechanics -- stormtrooper armor was not enough to completely deflect a blaster bolt, but when multiplied for the serious wound or kill checks, it became much more significant.
While game mechanics themselves are not canon, I think one of the books made non-game-mechanical statements to that effect. So at whatever level of canon those are, there it is, if my memory serves me well over the fifteen year span since I've seen those books.

[Aratech]

ON stormtrooper armor

"Due to the sheer firepower of blasters, the protection that any armor can offer is limited; the armor cannot fully protect its wearer from a direct hit, although it may mitigate the impact."

I'd argue that it's actually more effective than is commonly believed.

IIRC; the main blasters we see in the movies are Han Solo's heavy DL-44 pistol (a .454 Casull equivalent) and Imperial issue E-11s. Normal civilians aren't going to have access to those kinds of powerful weaponry; nor will many rebel groups due to weapons restrictions in the Empire.

Secondly, we never see any real quantitative evidence of blaster insta-kills on armored personnel, for all we know, it may reduce a E-11 shot from "instant death to unarmored personnel" to 'cracked ribs, and six days in a bacta tube"

This is true, since in A New Hope we see that one stormtrooper checking on a downed stormie right before Vader enters the area.

Either this guy is dead, and the stormie is just looking at his dead buddy (which I dont think would actually happen) or he is checking to see if he is alive but injured.

Or someone has evidence that blaster bolts always kill stormies?

I'd take this with a grain of salt, as I'm not sure of its cannonicity, but there is evidence (C-canon, at least) that Clone armor is some pretty hefty stuff. In the Clone Wars cartoon (The Battle of Muunalist) a Clone appears to be hit no less than three times by Durge's blaster pistols While the KE impacts cause him to rock backwards and drop his DC-15, his armor isn't breached.

Actually, it can be observed here at 5:19-20. It appears as if at least one heavy pistol round is deflected off the Clone's shoulder armor.

Again, I'd take this with a grain of salt, but Clone armor does appear to be just a bit heavier in its nature compared to that of stormies.

http://www.sci-fire.com/TD8034%20and%20 ... rooper.jpg

[FTeik]

The more I look at the WEG Imperial Sourcebook by WEG as I write up the entries on the imperial OBAT; the the more I realize that the fault lies in the stupid EU writers that Lucasfilm recruited, than in the book or any supposed WEG "minimalism".

The book is full of detailed, yet also vague information, which does the job nicely.

For example, they lay down a detailed set of OBATS for the Imperial Navy and Army, and set the minimum amount of men in an Imperial Sector Army at 1.18 million men.

While also elsewhere in the book, they state that the Emperor has thousands of sectors at his command, and also that these are the baseline non-augmented OBATS; when you fully Augment a unit, it swells out massively.

It's certainly better than the alternatives:

A.) There are only three million men in the grand army!

or

B.) The Empire has one trillion trillion trillion personnel under it's command (a number which would break peoples heads anyway)

I'm termpted to agree. I was looking through WEGs DarkForceRising-SB a few days ago and in its article about the transport-barge it said, that "since many core-worlds are almost completely urbanized ... ."

[Aratech]

Oh, another question: would it be okay if I put up my calculations for the capacity of Imperial war production based off the Death Star, and if so, where should it be put under?

[Stravo]

As my second tyrannical dictatoral decree as admin of the SDN Wiki....

I declare........

That DEATH is banned.

And there was much rejoicing....

[Tribun]

I've altered the headers for the Trek-techindex, so that you can see at once for which side the index is. What do you think of my idea?

[Stark]

Oh, another question: would it be okay if I put up my calculations for the capacity of Imperial war production based off the Death Star, and if so, where should it be put under?

If there isn't an 'Imperial Industry' page (or whatever) you could make it. If you'd like your shit to be up there but don't want to make a new page, slap it in the calcs part of the Death Star article.

[Stark]

Shitballs. Aratech, Tribun has created a relevant link inside the 'star wars technology' category - Industrial technology. Use your calcs as examples there.

[Lonestar]

Created a short overview of Special Operations in Star Trek and Star Wars. More of a outline, really. In fact, Shep saw it half done and modified it while I was at work.

[MKSheppard]

Modified it further, to emphasize the KGB Border guard part; and how they had to have a standing fleet -- it's claimed that the obsidan order/tal shiar having those warships was in violation of their founding charters.

I find that impossibly hard to believe, since they had first line warships, and lots of them.

You're telling me nobody in the Cardassian or Romulan government noticed this huge violation or diversion of warship production?

[Stark]

Didn't they do some ridiculous write-off scam at a shipyard or something? It would never work with any kind of oversight, but in the OO's case I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually supported by their government in fact if not in policy.

[MKSheppard]

Even the write off scam doesn't make sense. I mean, I can understand if one or two ships get fucked up during construction, due to shipyard fires (they have happened in @; USN DDG-51s have caught fire during construction due to stupid shipyard workers, requiring a couple dozen million in repairs), but an entire fleet of them?

[MKSheppard]

Also, the "one or two ships get lost each year over 10 years" scam suggested by stark also doesn't work; because in a dictatorship like the Cardies and Romulans have, any shipyard manager who fucked up like that continually; or any "Naval Construction Manager" in charge of the entire shipbuilding apparatus, would be shot for repeated continuous failures.

[Stark]

Also, the "one or two ships get lost each year over 10 years" scam suggested by stark also doesn't work; because in a dictatorship like the Cardies and Romulans have, any shipyard manager who fucked up like that continually; or any "Naval Construction Manager" in charge of the entire shipbuilding apparatus, would be shot for repeated continuous failures.

Unless you do as I do and assume elements in the dictatorship were supporting the OO, whether with the OO's knowledge or not. The OO getting ships and having it covered up could have been a part of someone's complex powerplay, or something: the Cardassian dictatorship didn't seem to be immune to internal politicking or scams or whatever. The shipyard guy isn't failing if he's a part of a big plan, and indeed killing them off regularly could be a part of the cover for it anyway.

It's still -stupid- but at least it could be -interesting- too.

[Typhonis 1]

Or the government was using the Obsidian order as a cover in case the plan failed. They were fully aware of what was happening but did nothing to stop it for two reaons. If it worked they could claim credit for doing it. If it failed they could purge the OO and replace them with different people.

[MKSheppard]

As my third promulgulation as tyrannical admin, I declare that...

DARTH RUINUS IS BANNED

for deleting the "Jews" page on the wiki for no reason whatsover, except for scribbling "Someone delete this page." in the talk section.

Fucking with pages for no good reason is:

[Darth Ruinus]

I didnt scribble "Someone delete this" it was already there. Though yeah, I guess I deserved it.