1913 what if: Europe vs USA

OT: anything goes!

Moderator: Edi

Post Reply

What Happens?

The USA falls completely
4
11%
USA repels the invaders
13
34%
Stalemate/armed peace, Europe comes out stronger
8
21%
Stalemate/armed peace, USA comes out stronger
6
16%
Stalemate, no clear winner
7
18%
 
Total votes: 38

User avatar
Glocksman
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7233
Joined: 2002-09-03 06:43pm
Location: Mr. Five by Five

Post by Glocksman »

Weren't the vast majority of ships in that era coal fueled?
That'd make refueling even more time consuming and present more storage problems than oil burners would.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier

Oderint dum metuant
User avatar
Setesh
Jedi Master
Posts: 1113
Joined: 2002-07-16 03:27pm
Location: Maine, land of the Laidback
Contact:

Post by Setesh »

Glocksman wrote:Weren't the vast majority of ships in that era coal fueled?
That'd make refueling even more time consuming and present more storage problems than oil burners would.
50/50 really, the HMS Dreadnought herself was converted at some point from coal to oil (with good reason the 1,120 tons of oil it carried after gave it the same power and range of operation as the 2900 tons of coal it had before hand.) Though German ships had coal burners over a larger portion of their navy. (Only sensible really, Germany had coal at that point lots of it.) Some of the smaller nations would also be stuck with coal burners from a lack of resources to change over.
"Nobody ever inferred from the multiple infirmities of Windows that Bill Gates was infinitely benevolent, omniscient, and able to fix everything. " Argument against god's perfection.

My Snow's art portfolio.
User avatar
Frank Hipper
Overfiend of the Superego
Posts: 12882
Joined: 2002-10-17 08:48am
Location: Hamilton, Ohio?

Post by Frank Hipper »

Setesh wrote:
Glocksman wrote:Weren't the vast majority of ships in that era coal fueled?
That'd make refueling even more time consuming and present more storage problems than oil burners would.
50/50 really, the HMS Dreadnought herself was converted at some point from coal to oil (with good reason the 1,120 tons of oil it carried after gave it the same power and range of operation as the 2900 tons of coal it had before hand.) Though German ships had coal burners over a larger portion of their navy. (Only sensible really, Germany had coal at that point lots of it.) Some of the smaller nations would also be stuck with coal burners from a lack of resources to change over.
Where in the hell are you getting that crap?

Dreadnought converted to oil?
Never. She remained coal fired until being scrapped.

50/50 split between oil and coal in 1913?
Not even remotely.

There were no oil fired capital ships in 1913, Glocksman; destroyers, yes, but no heavy ships.
There were experimental oil firing arrangements in the Russian Black Sea Fleet pre-dreadnought battleship Rostislav, but they were included in the design to take advantage of the oil provided by natural seeps in her area of operations and were almost never used operationally.
Oil sprayed coal was also sometimes used in some navies to generate greater temperatures.

Until the completion of the Queen Elizabeth class, that was it.
Image
Life is all the eternity you get, use it wisely.
User avatar
The Duchess of Zeon
Gözde
Posts: 14566
Joined: 2002-09-18 01:06am
Location: Exiled in the Pale of Settlement.

Post by The Duchess of Zeon »

He may be confused by the experimental practice of "wetting" the coal with a spray of oil before it was used to fire the boilers.
The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- Wikipedia's No Original Research policy page.

In 1966 the Soviets find something on the dark side of the Moon. In 2104 they come back. -- Red Banner / White Star, a nBSG continuation story. Updated to Chapter 4.0 -- 14 January 2013.
User avatar
Patrick Degan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 14847
Joined: 2002-07-15 08:06am
Location: Orleanian in exile

Post by Patrick Degan »

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:He may be confused by the experimental practice of "wetting" the coal with a spray of oil before it was used to fire the boilers.
I forgot about that as well. Stupid error.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln

People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House

Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Post Reply