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Alyrium Denryle wrote:"My nation has been around for 15 thousand years. Evenif we didnt know of your nations history there are certain stages every society goes through. First they start out as hunter-getherers, then they move into small herding or farming villiages. These villages either by conquest or contract join or merge to form city states or nations. These nations form government and engage in war for territory. Natiosn grow and grow, often in periods of territorial stagnation until the planet is unified. Then they send out colony ships and those colonies will oftne become independant ton begin the process anew. We have seen it hundreds of times

Sovereignthy is THE international law. It doesnt even need to be written it is an axiomatic truth. "

"As I said, you don't know anything about our past. Your last statement was interesting, I give you that. But wrong nonetheless."

Arriving in a small destroyerthe Monacoran Ambassador arrived at the station, sat in a chair, pulled out a book, and started to read it.

lazerus wrote:"Really, well out nation DIDN'T go through those stages. You assume far too much. While whatever system you seem to think everyone follows acts that way, the law WE recognize does not hand over whole systems at once."

"Really? You mean to tell me that no where in your species history have you lived in nation states? YOu simply popped into being as a fully developed culture?. You are aware of the defnition of a nation state and the requirements for such then? To be a nation one must have Government, Territory, Population, and Sovereignty. BY disregarding another nations sovereignty you are essentially not recongizing them as a nation. Is that your intention with the KSE?

Are you declaring war?"

"Really? You mean to tell me that no where in your species history have you lived in nation states? YOu simply popped into being as a fully developed culture?.

"More or less, were a rogue colony, most of our techonogy and ideals we took with us when we secceded from earth."

To be a nation one must have Government, Territory, Population, and Sovereignty. BY disregarding another nations sovereignty you are essentially not recongizing them as a nation. Is that your intention with the KSE?

"Of course not, we would never attack their sovern terriory. We simply do not recognize that the asteroid field is their terriotry."

Dahak wrote:"Souls? You believe in that?" He chuckled. "Let me assure you, I am not a child, even though I may look younger... But I prefer technology over your...magic any day. Again, if it suits you..."

"Do I believe in souls? No, there is nothing to believe. Even now, I can see them with my eyes; if I so chose I could manipulate them--or even consume them. There are fact, except in your case, because you have been dead for a long time. It is just your mental process that has survived, and perhaps that is enough for you," Peipus said.

The duke turned back to the general discussion, "This is not an issue of law or even one of sovereignity. It is one of etiquette. A nation's claims to territorial control of a system, if legitimate, must be respected if one desires his own territory to be respected in turn. Reciprocity is key. Territorial integrity is assumed in all relations with foreign powers, unless one wishes war."

"If you act in this fashion, we may be forced to... reciprocate."

"As for the souls, they do exist. Right now I could open a portal to the Fugue plane where souls wait to be judged"

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Dahak wrote:"Souls? You believe in that?" He chuckled. "Let me assure you, I am not a child, even though I may look younger... But I prefer technology over your...magic any day. Again, if it suits you..."

"Do I believe in souls? No, there is nothing to believe. Even now, I can see them with my eyes; if I so chose I could manipulate them--or even consume them. There are fact, except in your case, because you have been dead for a long time. It is just your mental process that has survived, and perhaps that is enough for you," Peipus said.

"Mental processes, as you call them, is all that matters. Everything else is without importance... But each to his own ideas and believes."

Alyrium Denryle wrote:"If you act in this fashion, we may be forced to... reciprocate."

"As for the souls, they do exist. Right now I could open a portal to the Fugue plane where souls wait to be judged"

"And you're trying to impress...whom?" he yawned. "And I'm sure all your problems could be resolved without entering a war."

Dahak wrote:

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Dahak wrote:"Souls? You believe in that?" He chuckled. "Let me assure you, I am not a child, even though I may look younger... But I prefer technology over your...magic any day. Again, if it suits you..."

"Do I believe in souls? No, there is nothing to believe. Even now, I can see them with my eyes; if I so chose I could manipulate them--or even consume them. There are fact, except in your case, because you have been dead for a long time. It is just your mental process that has survived, and perhaps that is enough for you," Peipus said.

"Mental processes, as you call them, is all that matters. Everything else is without importance... But each to his own ideas and believes."

"Then you shall spend eternity cemented into the wall"

Alyrium Denryle wrote:"Then you shall spend eternity cemented into the wall"

Nethington laughed. "I can assure you, I will spend eternity in a place of my choosing. Certainly not cemented anywhere."

Dahak wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:"If you act in this fashion, we may be forced to... reciprocate."

"As for the souls, they do exist. Right now I could open a portal to the Fugue plane where souls wait to be judged"

"And you're trying to impress...whom?" he yawned. "And I'm sure all your problems could be resolved without entering a war."

"Oh they could be. If we could be sure that certain nations would respect our own territory. What is to stop said nation from not recnizing our planets as our territory?"

"And I'm sure all your problems could be resolved without entering a war."

"This can all end right now, just back down."

What is to stop said nation from not recnizing our planets as our territory?"

"That won't happen is you respect OUR law that you have no claim to any territory unless you have bases there. But if you insist on going to war, there is a very good chance that might come to pass."

"As for the souls, they do exist. Right now I could open a portal to the Fugue plane where souls wait to be judged"

"Hah! I'll belive THAT when I see it."

"Ah, so you can essentially move around our territory at will and strip mine our resouce base? I dont think so. We will not back down from this. And if the KSE calls for our help in the matter, it will be given. And if one of your ships sets reactor in any system we control without our pemission, not only wil they be destroyed, but we will consider it an act of war and respond accordingly. Your law does not superscede the law of other nations to govern territory they have claim to.

As for the fugue plane....

Estvar Incanto Fugue"

And large window opened up in the fabric of the prime material plane. And through it was a plane of existance that spenned as far as the eye could see, and it was pure white(Think THX1138 the prison room). People could be seen milling about with demons walking around propositioning them. Every so often a celestial bieng would gether together the worthy and rightous and carry them into the outer planes

"That was a fancy trick. I'm sure you're proud of yourself," a seriously unimpressed Ambassador said.

"Then we are at war then, if you feel that you can decide what is your simply by saying that it is, with no basis for claim, then this was inevitable anyway."

Dahak wrote:"That was a fancy trick. I'm sure you're proud of yourself," a seriously unimpressed Ambassador said.

"If you want me to push you into the portal, I can do that... but, it is your eternity. Spend it how you will."

lazerus wrote:"Then we are at war then, if you feel that you can decide what is your simply by saying that it is, with no basis for claim, then this was inevitable anyway."

"We will only be at war if the KSE decides to call in our assistance. Or if you enter any system in which we have a planet without our express permission."

"If you want me to push you into the portal, I can do that... but, it is your eternity. Spend it how you will."

"Are we supposed to be scared or somthing?"

"We will only be at war if the KSE decides to call in our assistance. Or if you enter any system in which we have a planet without our express permission."

"Feh."

Alyrium Denryle wrote:

Dahak wrote:"That was a fancy trick. I'm sure you're proud of yourself," a seriously unimpressed Ambassador said.

"If you want me to push you into the portal, I can do that... but, it is your eternity"

Nethington couldn't stop laughing.
"You...You think my mind is here, alone?"
The Marines fell in with the laughter. He wiped some tears from his face.
"That was a good one, I give you that." He pointed at himself. "What you see here is, as I told you, but a hull. A hull which carries one of several instances of my mind. You could kill me here and now, it would not make any difference. Besides you ruining my clothes, that is."

"Well you seem to think that the fugue plane isnt real. It wouldnt kill your body to visit it. The only bad thing that would happen is a possible raid by Tanar'ri"

"I've seen holograms of demons that looked more realistic then that, your act is nothing new."

"Are we supposed to be scared or somthing?"

"No, just well informed. I wouldnt want you to be cemented into the wall would I?"

lazerus wrote:"I've seen holograms of demons that looked more realistic then that, your act is nothing new."

"If you think that is a hologram, you need to have your head checked."

*I-can't-belive-this-guy stare*

Pablo, check your PMs