Comment thread for Anarcho-Libertarian Coliseum debate

[K. A. Pital]

I recall several members talking about how some books spend an inopportune amount of time talking about how great said anarcho-liberal society would be.

There aren't too many anarchists, especially anarcholibertarians, in sci-fi anyway. Well, you could always count Heinlein as the prominent guy, but he wrote a fascist diatribe and felt good about himself just for doing it, so I guess he's not the normal representative of sci-fi.

[wjs7744]

The biggest problem isn't his failure to take an economics course. It's the fact that he doesn't recognize challenges to the axiomatic "truths" upon which his argument hinges. For example, he will simply declare that unregulated industries always outperform regulated ones, or that industries with no government participation are invariably superior to industries which are government funded or subsidized. Others will post rebuttals to these claims, often including working examples which defy his predictions. He will simply handwave away these examples by casually categorizing them as either free-market or government in order to suit his conclusion (without ever having produced a coherent litmus test to determine which category something actually belongs in), and then restate his axiomatic "truths".

Oh, of course that's not his biggest problem, but it is quite an obvious one. Again, I'm seeing parallels to the creationist; their biggest problem is not their ignorance of science (although this shows quite clearly), but their sheer refusal to be corrected about their misconceptions.

[Schuyler Colfax]

My bad, wrong thread, I'm an idiot, watever.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Okay, I'm not proud of it but, I ate a lot of fucking food today. I was at IOA I had burger. My friends wanted to eat again, (later) I had pizza. We sat there for an hour talking, got up and I got another pizza while they got some other crap. And then we all ate again before we left (I had a burger). I'm still not full. Right now I'm just filling up on water.

Man, you just keep fucking up.

[Guardsman Bass]

Okay, I'm not proud of it but, I ate a lot of fucking food today. I was at IOA I had burger. My friends wanted to eat again, (later) I had pizza. We sat there for an hour talking, got up and I got another pizza while they got some other crap. And then we all ate again before we left (I had a burger). I'm still not full. Right now I'm just filling up on water.

Man, you just keep fucking up.

Why the fuck would he even post that kind of crap in this thread?

In any case, Volleyball isn't MartianHoplite reincarnated, is he? He's bringing out the same type of bullshit arguments Hoplite did (including my pet favorite, the "private securities = better!" crap).

Specifically what is keeping his world of "private security services" from simply carving up areas of land into quasi-feudalistic little principalities gangland-style? Why should, say, the Brotherhood of Steel spend money and lives going into SteelForce's territory to catch a murderer if it is really going to cost them, and you can't really enforce a lawsuit against them for breach of contract? What's keeping SteelForce from breaking the kneecaps of anyone in their turf who tries to pick a different security service as a warning?

It's kind of sad, really. At the very least, he seems to believe that there are power-hungry people out there who will exploit weakness (unless he believes government magically appeared out of nowhere), so why doesn't he think that said people wouldn't try to exploit the utter dependence of his Libertopia on competing gangs - er, I mean "Security Contractors."

[Oskuro]

I fear the answer might actually be absinthe-induced Kylie Minogue fairies. They make the world go round, you know?

[Zixinus]

Well, you could always count Heinlein as the prominent guy, but he wrote a fascist diatribe and felt good about himself just for doing it, so I guess he's not the normal representative of sci-fi.

Isn't Heinlein popular?

[K. A. Pital]

Well, you could always count Heinlein as the prominent guy, but he wrote a fascist diatribe and felt good about himself just for doing it, so I guess he's not the normal representative of sci-fi.

Isn't Heinlein popular?

He is popular, but he's just one of many, not much special. Even in the right-wing circlejerks I doubt too many people know him or lift his name as a banner. One person does not signify a trend.

As for Smith and Kartman those are completely internationally unknown whackaloons - I wouldn't have known about them if not for people here, and I know many famous sci-fi authors - so it's not like the libertarian hardcore nuts enjoy much reader popularity, just as I said.

[Imperial Overlord]

Victor Milan has strong libertarian leanings that often leak through in his fiction, but in his sci-fi at least he stays away from full blown wackaloon territory. The best actual depiction of a (semi)-functional anarchist society is S. Andrew Swann's Revolutionary trilogy. The planet depicted is in no way a paradise.

[Ghost Rider]

Split because Volly asking why is Surlethe taking his time is hypocrisy at it's finest.

[The Vortex Empire]

Split because Volly asking why is Surlethe taking his time is hypocrisy at it's finest.

How many times has Volley HOSed a thread so far?

[Kodiak]

Split because Volly asking why is Surlethe taking his time is hypocrisy at it's finest.

How many times has Volley HOSed a thread so far?

I believe this is his 5th in as many weeks.

[The Vortex Empire]

Split because Volly asking why is Surlethe taking his time is hypocrisy at it's finest.

How many times has Volley HOSed a thread so far?

I believe this is his 5th in as many weeks.

Is that a record?

[CaptainChewbacca]

I think my own personal best beats it, but many of those threads are no longer available for public viewing. I'm also fairly certain Cloudstrife beat that.

[The Vortex Empire]

I think my own personal best beats it, but many of those threads are no longer available for public viewing. I'm also fairly certain Cloudstrife beat that.

How about his 1 a week stat? That must be a record.

[Enforcer Talen]

The fact that its all on the same topic and he hasnt gotten banned must count for something.

[Imperial Overlord]

The fact that its all on the same topic and he hasnt gotten banned must count for something.

Fucktards who become chew toys tend to last longer than the average moron. His delay in posting in the Coliseum and Surlethe's fiancee's medical problems have just given him a longer lease. Nothing special here.

[Enforcer Talen]

Personally, Im betting we'll get the chewtoy title before we see a banning. He doesnt run out of energy! He can be our case study in liber-anarchy.

[Ghost Rider]

Honest reason why he hasn't gotten banned? He's not honestly trolling, the little retard either truly believes this shit or he's an emo whore who wants to be edgy and thus adopted this shit.

But that only lasts so long, and he's been gathering rope with these shit displays.

[Darth Wong]

I have to be honest here: if I had known that the debate would move so slowly, I would have put a time limit on responses when I started the thread. This is like watching a Peter Jackson film.

[Ghost Rider]

I have to be honest here: if I had known that the debate would move so slowly, I would have put a time limit on responses when I started the thread. This is like watching a Peter Jackson film.

There's always next time.

Besides, it's funny to watch the dipshit to have the gall to ask "What's taking Surlethe so long?", when he took his dumb sweet time to vomit his last response.

[Zixinus]

Regarding Volly's bit about firearms for everyone: he reasoned that the American Revolution that founded the USA was successful as every household already had a gun at home.

Wasn't that shot down in another tread, where it was mentioned that the American Revolution was successful because the British found the war too expensive when compared to the potential cost to get the land back?

[The Spartan]

Regarding Volly's bit about firearms for everyone: he reasoned that the American Revolution that founded the USA was successful as every household already had a gun at home.

Wasn't that shot down in another tread, where it was mentioned that the American Revolution was successful because the British found the war too expensive when compared to the potential cost to get the land back?

The Carribean rum makers who were subsidizing the Colonies were making noise about that.

There's also the fact that it wasn't the militias that defeated the British, it was the regular army trained by the French. The French also helped with warships and by fighting the British on other fronts, which just made it even more expensive.

But there's a mythos built up around the Patriot Sharpshooter killing Redcoats to the point that people tend to shunt the actual reasons aside. Most especially when it suits there needs, like Vollyball here.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I have to be honest here: if I had known that the debate would move so slowly, I would have put a time limit on responses when I started the thread. This is like watching a Peter Jackson film.

You could just step in and say 'from now on there's a 72 hour time limit on responses'. Its your board.

[Surlethe]

If we need to institute a time limit on replies, I'll abide by it.