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Posted: 2008-07-08 06:36am
by PeZook
Just a few days :D I have books to read and games to run that were put on the back burner for a while, so my country would just get a slow start.

Posted: 2008-07-08 06:46am
by K. A. Pital
They have no means of getting home unless somebody goes up and gets them, and they had to watch the world destroy itself. Now they're stuck in orbit inside a two-person tin can with a month or so worth of supplies, Korolev spaceport almost certainly got nuked...christ. Horrible fate.
Why?

They have a return pod of course, it's the later ALMAZ design (I figured that starting from the 1-port ALMAZ design is stupid, since the 2-port one is already available).

The question is, do they want to return to irradiated land?

Seriously though, aside from Shepnukistan and Saddam (oh, and sorry about Coiler, i hope no one minds) fallout will clear in two weeks to more or less normal in the areas remote from epicenters.

P.S. So what is the damage report?

As far as I gather, 10-12 rivers in Saddamistan and Shepnukistan have been struck with irradiating bombs.
Around 20 major cities (pop. over 100,000) were struck with irradiating bombs directly. Cities with 500,000-1,000,000 and over population were struck by the HELA missiles with 400 kg of cobalt. Even with a very large, Moscow-like area of 1000 sq. km such cities would be subject to ~1g/sqm irradiation, killing most population within the first day (lethal dose within minutes, process of death will take a few hours).

Also, around 6000 VX missiles were thrown from emplacements in the Diocese, Bear Republic and Zoria, poisoning the land. Assuming the SCUDs didn't do well in a surprise attack, I'd say around 20% passed, which means 240 tons of VX were spread over their rural land and small cities.

Military bases were relatively unaffected, due to the long term effects of radiological weapon like cobalt, so tey could carry out their attack. However, in a few days when fallout covers the entire Shepland, they are dead.

I would presume around 500 nuclear devices were initiated against Red Technocracy military targets and civilian centers. This would lead to the loss of 20-30, maximum - 40% of the population in the immediate aftermath. In two weeks, since the military command has not been broken (SSTO and ALMAZ, as well as other orbital assets help greatly here), we can assess the damage.

UKB and many other nations were not affected.

However, Neverhood will be fucked due to fallout from Shepland, and Quidlivun is also dead.

Coiler... let's say it's over for him.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:03am
by Lonestar
El presidente is....dead!

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:09am
by PeZook
Stas Bush wrote: They have a return pod of course, it's the later ALMAZ design (I figured that starting from the 1-port ALMAZ design is stupid, since the 2-port one is already available).
Ah, if they have a return pod, then I guess they're not doomed to die alone in the cold of space :D
Stas Bush wrote:The question is, do they want to return to irradiated land?
Well, I'd return. If only to see if my family's okay (yeah, right...like anybody would be...)
Stas Bush wrote:<snip damage assessment>
Wait, wait...

Does this mean...

Does this mean we've won? ;)

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:13am
by PeZook
Lonestar wrote:El presidente is....dead!
That's why you should've had an Evil Overlord bunker with a helicopter stashed inside :D

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:15am
by RogueIce
PeZook wrote:Wait, wait...

Does this mean...

Does this mean we've won? ;)
Nobody wins Global Thermonuclear War.

The UAR came out the worst though. So I guess that might count as a "win" of sorts.

We're basically fucked over though, except those who got to escape the hammering. Still, I imagine the global economy just took a nosedive.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:17am
by PeZook
RogueIce wrote: Nobody wins Global Thermonuclear War.

The UAR came out the worst though. So I guess that might count as a "win" of sorts.

We're basically fucked over though, except those who got to escape the hammering. Still, I imagine the global economy just took a nosedive.
Won in the sense that we're not ALL dead and civilization as a whole might survive.

You know, I think I'll make another game post or two :D

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:19am
by Shroom Man 777
LOINY! NOOOOOO!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:24am
by PeZook
Heh, BTW, I think Coiler regrets his decision to join the UAR now :P

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:25am
by K. A. Pital
If only to see if my family's okay (yeah, right...like anybody would be...)
Not as far fetched... cosmonaut families usually work for the military. if you're cruising somewhere at M=8 and 30 km up and above, it's kinda hard to kill you ;)
Does this mean we've won?
Technically because I was an ass about it, the world as a whole "won", in the sense that Sheppards and Skimmers nations were turned into irradiated Chernobyl zones for 5 long years, while most nations did not die.

Our "wounds" are far more deadly in the short-term, but only for two weeks.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:27am
by PeZook
Hay Shep, if I lost 200 thousand people does that mean I'm up and running in four years? :P

It's too bad this book isn't available here, i'd love to take a look at the methodology used.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:31am
by RogueIce
PeZook wrote:Hay Shep, if I lost 200 thousand people does that mean I'm up and running in four years? :P
It means all you have to do is say you're downsizing your military (easy enough since they just got blown up) and start churning out advanced weapons systems.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:41am
by PeZook
:D

The General Secretary personally blows up Shep ;)

It's like the Atlantis execution, except with a suborbital bomber :D

BTW, what's the orbital period of the ALMAZ?

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:44am
by K. A. Pital
BTW, what's the orbital period of the ALMAZ?
I presumed it's around 6 hours, but maybe i'm wrong. The orbit must be elliptical for the trajectory... though actually, i"m kinda lost...

Also, I didn't blow up Shep ;) Anna blew up his aerial command post, which was the last thing that commanded UAR forces in the air.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:46am
by Shroom Man 777
I am good with symbolism.

And HUEG KITTENS.

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:48am
by PeZook
Stas Bush wrote:
BTW, what's the orbital period of the ALMAZ?
I presumed it's around 6 hours, but maybe i'm wrong. The orbit must be elliptical for the trajectory... though actually, i"m kinda lost...

Also, I didn't blow up Shep ;) Anna blew up his aerial command post, which was the last thing that commanded UAR forces in the air.
Because I don't feel like calculating the orbit and projecting the trajectory, I'll just go with 6 hours :D

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:53am
by PeZook
Heh, it's fun writing about the world dying!

...for some people :P

Posted: 2008-07-08 07:59am
by K. A. Pital
Yeah, due to the stupid limits I assumed we'd bump ALMAZ as high as possible but a little short of the VA belts, making the orbit greater.

Maybe it'd look more like 3 hours instead of 4, but hey, plus minus 1 hour is not that important.

Considering how many nuclear devices Shep initiated, my nation is basically in nigh complete ravage, sans the Army, who still have a command post in the sky.

We should be downing the cosmonauts though. That psych-stress won't do too well on them. A day or more, in-game, in command should be enough to restore at least some communication between ravaged nations. Tat means in the evening they can go land somewhere, say in PeZookia or Shroomania.

Posted: 2008-07-08 08:15am
by K. A. Pital
http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/ ... arming.htm

Read here, a survivor's manual. ;) My civil defense has disseminated such things for a long time, I guess most people seriously centered on making their people survive did too.

I really feel sorry for Shep. All of it applies to everyone under attack now... except Shep will not see this happening:
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Posted: 2008-07-08 08:20am
by RogueIce
Damn PeZook you're gonna depress me. :cry:

But that seals it. We can't have LtCol. Kulinsky and Plut. Kazimiera Swieta die like that. Reboot!

Posted: 2008-07-08 08:23am
by Shroom Man 777
Fuck...

Goddamn it, PeZook! NO! NO! NO! I WON'T HAVE THAT! FUCK NO! NOT THE ISCA, NOT THE FASTA! NOT LT. COLONEL GODDAMN KULINSKY!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Fuck nuclear war!

Posted: 2008-07-08 08:41am
by PeZook
RogueIce wrote:Damn PeZook you're gonna depress me. :cry:

But that seals it. We can't have LtCol. Kulinsky and Plut. Kazimiera Swieta die like that. Reboot!
I guess I'm killing off the recurring characters as a way to seal the current world ;)

Though I can't help but imagine a scene in the re-booted world, where Kulinsky wakes up in the middile of the night, hyperventilating, after having a nightmare where he's trapped inside his crashed car and desperately trying to fish out his service pistol in order to commit suicide...

Posted: 2008-07-08 08:45am
by RogueIce
PeZook wrote:I guess I'm killing off the recurring characters as a way to seal the current world ;)

Though I can't help but imagine a scene in the re-booted world, where Kulinsky wakes up in the middile of the night, hyperventilating, after having a nightmare where he's trapped inside his crashed car and desperately trying to fish out his service pistol in order to commit suicide...
That's not a half-bad idea. Those of us in Nova Terra Secunda ;) would also remember it, as Q was kind enough to save our asses from certain death.

By the by, what'd you think of my GDP figures in that last PM?

Posted: 2008-07-08 10:21am
by phongn
What's the fallout pattern for Stas' Co-60 weapons and the heavy strikes on Shepnukistan? If I'm getting hit with Cobalt weapons, well, I suppose I could start tossing my own weapons into the fray :P

Posted: 2008-07-08 10:26am
by Coyote
May as well. We're ending it all in atomic wargasm anyway, and going for a reboot.