common ailments of atheists?

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-08-05 11:49pm

What would George W. Bush think?

"Saddam's behind it!"

David · Post by **David** » 2002-08-06 01:32am

Shaolin:
This board has little to no sympathy for Christianity or anyother type of religion. You can argue all you want, the people here either already believe what you are saying and accept it as the truth, or they do not believe what you are saying and will not accept it as truth. You are missing the basic point of what everyone is making here, you cannot prove that your religion ( whatever that might be) is the true way, and until they see tangible evidence that it is, they will not believe it. They might not even believe it if they do see proof. Christianity and all other religions must be accepted by faith, which the majority of the people on these boards do not have in God or any religion.

In short, you cannot argue someone into faith.

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-08-09 10:26am

Dave:
The problem with the aforesaid user appears to be, rather than his desire to convert, his dogged unwillingness to persue an arguement in a logical and consistent manner and answer rebuttals likewise.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-09 02:42pm

In a way, he seems like DarkStar, but he seems to at least be making an effort to justify his statements, which just gets him into more trouble. I think he is clearly a fundamentalist.

ShAoLiN · Post by **ShAoLiN** » 2004-10-26 10:56pm

This board has little to no sympathy for Christianity or anyother type of religion. You can argue all you want, the people here either already believe what you are saying and accept it as the truth, or they do not believe what you are saying and will not accept it as truth. You are missing the basic point of what everyone is making here, you cannot prove that your religion ( whatever that might be) is the true way, and until they see tangible evidence that it is, they will not believe it. They might not even believe it if they do see proof. Christianity and all other religions must be accepted by faith, which the majority of the people on these boards do not have in God or any religion.

In short, you cannot argue someone into faith.

Its all good. I don't expect anything from anyone. It would be nice to have a real open minded conversation with some atheists, but its not something I'd imagine happening with this bunch.

The problem with the aforesaid user appears to be, rather than his desire to convert, his dogged unwillingness to persue an arguement in a logical and consistent manner and answer rebuttals likewise.

The 'problem' as you say it, is that you people here at stardestroyer.net think that merely saying something justifies it. But I'm back. Have you learned to back up your statements with facts?

We shall see.

In a way, he seems like DarkStar, but he seems to at least be making an effort to justify his statements, which just gets him into more trouble. I think he is clearly a fundamentalist.

Why should making an effort to justify statements be a bad thing? I guess its just not something you see often around here.

Well, I'm back -- expect an answer to all the posts I never bothered to answer before.

PS -- What makes you think I'm a Fundie?

PSS -- Remember to back up your arguments with facts this time, because nothing could be further from the truth.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-10-26 11:02pm

Holy Frell, he's back!

EDIT: You can try to argue with David, of course, but he won't answer you since he's pretty much gone from the board now

EDIT2: So's IDMR. Time flies, doesn't it?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-10-26 11:22pm

ShAoLiN wrote:Its all good. I don't expect anything from anyone. It would be nice to have a real open minded conversation with some atheists, but its not something I'd imagine happening with this bunch.

What's your idea of an "open minded conversation?" The kind where you preach and we just nod our heads?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2004-10-26 11:28pm

ShAoLiN wrote:
In a way, he seems like DarkStar, but he seems to at least be making an effort to justify his statements, which just gets him into more trouble. I think he is clearly a fundamentalist.
Why should making an effort to justify statements be a bad thing? I guess its just not something you see often around here.

Whoever you quoted did not write that and you damn well know it.

ShAoLiN · Post by **ShAoLiN** » 2004-10-26 11:32pm

Hey Shao, if you think the NT doesn't contradict itself, open it up and tell me the last words Jesus spoke before dying on the cross. I guarantee that whatever you answer with, I'll be able to quote at least two more completely different versions, directly from the Bible.

I know the contradictions you speak of, and they do exist -- there are dissimilarities between the accounts of the Apostles about Jesus' life.

The crux of the matter being, the errors prove nothing.

His need to clean up the christian process is so big that he try to sell such lie of a formation of nation - Jews nation, not christian nation like he seems to think the bible was all about - without any shameful act of violence or murderer, when Its almost impossible to find such nations in our history. He must make the christian story looks clean and nice and doing that he almost show how he actually disaprove such acts as well.
Its funny how he claims to know the bible and ask about where there is murderer ordened by God or Slavery...Imagine the same god that told Moses to attack a village, kill the males and get the women to them.
Would be so easy to take off God, and judge it from the human point of view, because that was a human descision. But God is something we "cannt" understand to argue with the ethic consequenses of his decisions...No wonder that I think reading the bible is the best way to create atheists.

Why would you want to "create atheists?" Isnt it more important that people think for themselves? A conflict of interests there.

PS -- So what if Israeli's, Hebrews, or anyone killed. What you have to understand is that if God exists, he has the power to take and give life. If he makes a mistake in killing someone, he can resurrect them, therefore many of the arguments you state about God's immorality are pointless.

God has his followers massacre women and children after capturing them. We're not talking about collateral deaths during battle; we're talking about lining up helpless captives and murdering them. It is directly akin to the Nazi death camps, not bombing runs.

Is ShAoLiN trying to say that God's morality is comparable to that of President Bush or LBJ? Why should we worship a deity whose morality can be compared to people like that? Do we answer questions of morality by asking "what would George W. Bush do in this situation?" Of course not.

Another point. If you're referring to the 10 Commandments and the teaching of "Thou shalt not kill," its been strongly argued that the translation should be: "Thou shalt not murder." There's a wide berth between the two precepts, besides that if you disagree see the answer I gave the last quote.

Bashing: Sorry, it's still bashing to say that all athiests are automatically selfish simply because they're athiests.

Ignore: No, my deluded friend, you are ignoring facts. Anyone who seeks out or wants his followers to seek and murder civilians, especially innocent children, IS A BUTCHER, especially if they feel absolutely no guilt about it afterwards.

Thinking: I'm afraid you are the one who is blinded, by propaganda and religious dogma. I see all too clearly.

Out of Context: Spare me the wounded innocent act. You don't have a leg to stand on here.

Position: First, you said all athiests were inherently selfish, and then you said it was only your impression that some of them may be inherently selfish. Which is it?

In other words, you say all athiests are immoral, and then you change it and say maybe some are immoral. Make up your mind.

And those comments you made that athiests ignore morality to indulge themselves infers that you believe athiests are immoral.

I disagree. Saying that atheists are 'selfish' is at least two steps below what you're likely to see on an elementary playground, in terms of viciousness. As it stands, its just an opinion -- one which if untrue, bears no weight in turns of suffering on your part.

As for the "Atheists are immoral," thing. Some atheists are moral people. My point, which I think many of you missed is that when it comes to morality, and taking up a stance "Against God," so to speak. The motivation behind such an act is often not because said persons are inclined to care about the truth.

But because they want to do away with the system of morality that the religion provides. Why would a person want such a thing? In many cases its because they are (see: opinion) selfish and self centered, and care only about their own wants and desires, which morality stands directly in the way of.

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Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-10-26 11:33pm

ShAoLiN wrote:
In a way, he seems like DarkStar, but he seems to at least be making an effort to justify his statements, which just gets him into more trouble. I think he is clearly a fundamentalist.
Why should making an effort to justify statements be a bad thing? I guess its just not something you see often around here.

It gets you in trouble because YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON WHO CAN'T DO IT PROPERLY. Thus, you run around like a decapitated chicken in a shooting gallery, with everyone taking pot shots at your dumb ass.

Well, I'm back -- expect an answer to all the posts I never bothered to answer before.

Good.

PS -- What makes you think I'm a Fundie?

The fact that you continuously hold positions shared by fundamentalists.

Your title is also a fairly good indicator.

PSS -- Remember to back up your arguments with facts this time, because nothing could be further from the truth.

I see. So statements like

you need to keep in mind, that God could have ways of working things out, that we aren't aware of.

no, what im asking is how can you put God down for ordering a war / killings, or any thing of that type.. and accept the bombing of hiroshima.. or an of the countless acts that men have done... which is in context, because it shows your bias towards God, and haste in judging him.

yeah.. allrite... the point is, how can we engage in wars/killing.. then go around and criticize God, for doing the same. Seems hypocritical. Throughout history, was there ever a country that wasn't forced to defend, or kill to preserve its future?

You NEED Hitler to be a christian.. because it supports your view that christians = assholes.

people are not perfect.. that explains christianity's imperfect record. we never claimed to be perfect.. any who do, are probably uneducated, or not very knowledgeable "christians."

are not indicative of fundamentalist mentalities? Sure. Find one moderate who would use such ridiculous fallacies in defense of Christianity.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-26 11:37pm

Thread necromancy is a dangerous art. I'm putting an end to this abomination once and for all.