Japan Wins the World Cup!

[Crown]

I've also seen them miss those massive as fuck nets repeatedly. The best soccer players can't even hit the net when they might only get a few shots per game. Fuck are they ever piss poor at aiming.

I fear for you mate, this is yet another example of how critical thought and rational reasoning have - for whatever reason - decided to steer fucking clear of you.

Riddle me this buddy; if putting the football in the back of the huge net is so easy then why isn't football a high scoring game?

I mean, this is all rational and logical thought; if an action requires very little 'skill' or can be deemed to be 'easy' then surely it should be present with a high occurrence of accomplishment. Rational, reasonable, critical thought.

I await with baited bre--- nah, I'm telling lies if I say that haha!



Here's another one for you all;

[Big Phil]

Let's all face it... the reality is that Canadian hockey players (like Norade ) are the best soccer players in the world. They can do things at the age of six that full grown men of other nationalities cannot. It's only because all of these kids grow up to play hockey that Canada hasn't won every World Cup ever played. We can only hold our breaths and PRAY that Canadian hockey players never take up soccer... once they do, it's game over for the rest of the world.

[Norade]

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No, instead you just keep moving the goalposts, and can't seem to grasp that the physical attributes required to be a great soccer players are different from those required to be a great hockey player.

I wonder what you think about Wayne Gretzky? He couldn't fight worth shit, so he must have been an awful hockey player... at least he went on to become the World's Greatest Footballer after his hockey career ended.

So stamina, hand eye, strength and all the others are now worthless in soccer? I wasn't aware you could just skip some traits and still be a complete athlete...

Also, Gretzky was an untouchable, he was rarely hit and speared the way he would be today. The goalies were shit in the '80's as well.

No you haven't... you stated your opinion that it did and then kept repeating it time after time after time.

Note the ESPN study.

Which has what to do with anything?

Higher minimum skill floor. You can run and kick you play soccer, you can't just expect to even stand on skates at first.

It does? Based on what objective measure? Kicking a ball with accuracy and power isn't exactly easy, but I'm sure you know that since you played 5th grade soccer.

Which player is moving faster while lining up a shot? Hockey. Which player has to avoid sticks and checks to score? Hockey. Who has a smaller target to hit? Hockey.

Standing in front of something takes skill?

Haha, all goalies would be equal were that true. Piss of you worthless asshole.

[Norade]

Kicking a ball, and missing a huge net takes far less overall coordination that preforming a deke, dodging a check, or even just making a pass on a full speed hockey play.

Critical thought is not only something that you clearly don't possess, but something that completely passed you by while flipping you the finger isn't it?

You quoted me discussing specifically hand-eye co-ordination, and you reply with; deke, dodging a check or making a pass in ice hockey. Only one of the three relates to hand-eye co-ordination (the last one just so we're clear) and we'll get to that in a moment. Now regarding to performing a deke & dodging a check this is not 'co-ordination' a stat that isn't present in your precious ESPN study, that would be a measure of 'agility'. Which they define as 'AGILITY: The ability to change direction quickly. Example: Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm.'.

And how do footballers rate compared to ice hockey players? Well, 8.25 for 'soccer' and 7.63 for ice hockey...

EDIT :: Forgot this part, in relation to it takes more hand-eye co-ordination to make an ice hockey pass than a football pass which is made with the feet ... no shit, really?

Deking with your stick takes hand eye or anybody could pull it off. The same with retaining a puck on your stick while side stepping a check. The same with passing and shooting. On the agility thing, the ability to jump likely puts them ahead. Otherwise dodging a guy running versus dodging a guy skating faster than that... no real contest.

[Norade]

I've also seen them miss those massive as fuck nets repeatedly. The best soccer players can't even hit the net when they might only get a few shots per game. Fuck are they ever piss poor at aiming.

I fear for you mate, this is yet another example of how critical thought and rational reasoning have - for whatever reason - decided to steer fucking clear of you.

Riddle me this buddy; if putting the football in the back of the huge net is so easy then why isn't football a high scoring game?

I mean, this is all rational and logical thought; if an action requires very little 'skill' or can be deemed to be 'easy' then surely it should be present with a high occurrence of accomplishment. Rational, reasonable, critical thought.

I await with baited bre--- nah, I'm telling lies if I say that haha!



Here's another one for you all;

Of course it takes skill to score or it wouldn't be a sport now would it? I'm just saying tiny ball, massive net, you do the math.

As for the goal, nice shot, but hockey has better.



Number three in the above looks like the impossible goal, but passing two defenders.



These are also nice, they show a ton of agility to, especially when Crosy dekes at full speed.

Now for some shootout goals.







Now for some hits.







We have agility, skill, hand eye, and raw power all in one sport.

[Crown]

Deking with your stick takes hand eye or anybody could pull it off. The same with retaining a puck on your stick while side stepping a check. The same with passing and shooting.

Hold up troll, you said 'overall coordination' and now you're pulling it back to hand eye. Have you completely missed the part where I said saying ice hockey players having better hand eye coordination is like saying the sky is blue? We expect them to excel in this, this is why it's a useless comparison to make with football, which requires the sum total of ZERO hand-eye coordination for outfield players.

What are ice hockey player's foot eye coordination then? Bet you it's low, those pussies!

On the agility thing, the ability to jump likely puts them ahead. Otherwise dodging a guy running versus dodging a guy skating faster than that... no real contest.

Bullshit. They've shown their definition of agility as 'AGILITY: The ability to change direction quickly. Example: Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm. No where do they say 'and can jump'.

Of course it takes skill to score or it wouldn't be a sport now would it? I'm just saying tiny ball, massive net, you do the math.

I have done the math you idiot, and the math tells me that football is a lower scoring game than ice hockey. The study of the brain's evolution also tells me a few notable changes in human development coincided with massive 'upgrade' in brain function; eating meat is one and developing opposable thumb being the other. Our brain is wired to provide great dexterity and control to our hand movements, which is why scoring a goal in football is harder than in ice hockey.

The footballers aren't using their hands which the brain is well versed in manipulating, their using their feet which they have less natural control over in terms of accuracy and speed. It's a harder skill set, and then you add to this, that they're using their feet to control/pass/shoot a ball, while their feet are also providing; locomotion and balance. Simply put; in order to influence the ball, a footballers has to sacrifice his own balance and control.

As for the goal, nice shot, but hockey has better.

Bullshit, for all the reasons I mentioned above.

We have agility, skill, hand eye, and raw power all in one sport.

Jesus mother-titty-fucking Christ. Exactly how THICK are you? Let me break it down for you as simple as I can.

What is harder to do; everything you just showed me or everything you just showed me minus the sticks? What would be harder ice hockey or ice footpuck?

And just for shits and giggles some examples of agility, look at them all jumping! ;

[Big Phil]

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I thought hockey players were supermen who never missed... Here's some more examples of hockey players missing wide open nets

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The Tampa Bay Lightning play in the National Hockey League, but thanks for letting us know it's a low quality league.

No, instead you just keep moving the goalposts, and can't seem to grasp that the physical attributes required to be a great soccer players are different from those required to be a great hockey player.

I wonder what you think about Wayne Gretzky? He couldn't fight worth shit, so he must have been an awful hockey player... at least he went on to become the World's Greatest Footballer after his hockey career ended.

So stamina, hand eye, strength and all the others are now worthless in soccer? I wasn't aware you could just skip some traits and still be a complete athlete...

Also, Gretzky was an untouchable, he was rarely hit and speared the way he would be today. The goalies were shit in the '80's as well.

I'm not sure you could sound more like an uneducated douchebag if you tried. I'll just enlarge and highlight your douchebaggery for everyone to enjoy, rather than waste any time trying to point out why you're an idiot.

No you haven't... you stated your opinion that it did and then kept repeating it time after time after time.

Note the ESPN study.

This is the same study that you apparently can't read, as you keep lying about what it says?

]Which has what to do with anything?

Higher minimum skill floor. You can run and kick you play soccer, you can't just expect to even stand on skates at first.

I'll go slow, since I know you're stupid: What does "higher minimum floor skill" have to do with the skill and athleticism required to play at a professional level?

]It does? Based on what objective measure? Kicking a ball with accuracy and power isn't exactly easy, but I'm sure you know that since you played 5th grade soccer.

Which player is moving faster while lining up a shot? Hockey. Which player has to avoid sticks and checks to score? Hockey. Who has a smaller target to hit? Hockey.

Christ you sound like a Trektard. If you're not Dan Dan the Ninja Man then you have to be channeling him.

The reality is that if Norade can do something in a sport, retarded and uncoordinated a virgin as he may be (are you still a virgin if you allow hockey players to ream your asshole?), then the sport is probably utter shit.

Standing in front of something takes skill?

Haha, all goalies would be equal were that true. Piss of you worthless asshole.

You mean like those shit goalies from the 1980's? Those guys must be great athletes, standing in front of a box only barely larger than they are... takes some fucking skill, I tell you what, to stand...


Norade, why exactly do you feel the need to shit up every thread in which you participate? Are you 15, lonely, and desperate for any sort of attention? Or are you 35, lonely, and desperate for attention? I have no doubt that you'll ignore everything I've written in this thread, and come back with yet more bullshittery, but in the slim hope that you'll actually read what I say and stop masturbating for 10 seconds, I'll end with this thought.

This guy thinks hockey players are pussies for wearing pads:

[ray245]

Jesus fucking christ, are we actually having a debate about which sport is better?

Norade, while I understand that no argument can ever persuade you into liking football, what's your fucking deal with the sport? Did it rape you as a kid or something?

[Big Phil]

What is harder to do; everything you just showed me or everything you just showed me minus the sticks? What would be harder ice hockey or ice footpuck?

And just for shits and giggles some examples of agility, look at them all jumping! ;

Please, Gordie Howe scored SIX of those goals YESTERDAY in his sleep, playing for Real Madrid. And that's nothing compared with Bobby Orr's quadruple hat trick against Spain in the 2010 World Cup Final. All hail Canada!

Given that Norade thinks the consensus Greatest Hockey Player of All Time (Wayne Gretzky) is utter shit, how can he be anything BUT a troll?

Jesus fucking christ, are we actually having a debate about which sport is better?

We are not... we are simply making fun of a troll

Norade, while I understand that no argument can ever persuade you into liking football, what's your fucking deal with the sport? Did it rape you as a kid or something?

Team America: World Police anyone?

[Molyneux]

I may be coming into the thread a bit late, but: Jesus, I wish we had more televised soccer in this country. I was glued to the Cup final, I'm deeply proud of the US team for doing as well as they did, and many congratulations to the Japanese team for a great game - it's not too often that I can honestly be happy with both teams in a major sporting event like that.

[Flagg]

This thread has gotten so retarded it's an honest fucking miracle it hasn't been split and HoS'd.

[White Haven]

HOS is that way. Go play. Or maybe just play in traffic. Seriously. Discussion about the actual specific match itself is drowned out behind the thunderous noise of you two yammering at each other. Also, Norade, just to be perfectly clear, you're a fucking tool.

[Patrick Degan]

I may be coming into the thread a bit late, but: Jesus, I wish we had more televised soccer in this country. I was glued to the Cup final, I'm deeply proud of the US team for doing as well as they did, and many congratulations to the Japanese team for a great game - it's not too often that I can honestly be happy with both teams in a major sporting event like that.

I'm coming to this thread late as well. Had to follow the tournament online given my schedules recently. It was a great Cup overall, with the only snooze of a match being the one between the pathetic Columbian side and the even more pathetic North Koreans (who, I suppose, never quite recovered from the lightning strike on their team bus). Ninety minutes of keep-away and no creativity whatsoever at either end of the pitch. Noteworthy was the French women's team making up for the utter disgrace that was their men's side in South Africa last year.

The U.S. run was spectacular, especially that nail-biter with Brazil. But when it went into extra time with the Japanese, I began to see the wheels come off when they failed to put them away when they had the chance. It was sort of the Brazil match in reverse, with the Japanese coming off more confident going into the penalty shootout the way the U.S. were after surviving extra time with the Brazilians.

I was pulling for the U.S., naturally, but I'm not unhappy Japan won. After the horrible year that country has experienced, they needed this win.

[Thanas]

If you are truly interested in soccer, I'd suggest to start watching men's matches as well.

[Patrick Degan]

Oh, I do. I've got online links to catch MLS, EPL, Bundesliga, Serie-A and the Irish Premier League (I refuse to call it by it's corporate moniker).