Posted: 2003-01-27 10:12pm
I think I like that one better...but I can't compare it to all of the other angles like in the other picture.
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Why on earth would you dump it? You did all the hard work! Anyway it does look good (did you lenghten the fuselage there?), and though for roll control they would be useless at that size, they do fit in better than I thought they would (this is why having others beside me comment is a good thingKenny_10_Bellys wrote:
I realise it's not your vision and I'll dump it right away if you wish, it's just more the direction I would have gone, and it can't hurt to let you see it.
You still stuck on that? I don't think Crix did it intentionally, unless you know something I don't.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:All I did was add a couple of metres to the fuseage forward of the wing and slap on 4 quick fins, it took 2 minutes to do.I still have the original version safely tucked away, along with a few of the older ones as backup in case I screw up something so bad I can't fix it. It also helps when someone nicks yer mesh and you have to try and prove you made the damn thing in the first place, the original reason I ended up registering with this board in the first place.
I apologize. I wasn't paying much attention to what occured, and to what extent. Please forgive me.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Still stuck on that? It takes fucking days of work to make these things, then someone slaps a wing on it and calls it 'all my own work' and tries to brazen it out when confronted with the evidence. Yes I'm 'still stuck on that'. Bare in mind the last guy I caught doing this had downloaded half the models from my site and stuck them on Turbosquid for between $20 to $80 dollars EACH! 17 models at an average of $50 a download is enough to piss anyone off I think, certainly the site and 2 other artists thought so, they sued the bastard. If I'd had the money, I would have too.
Imagine if you'd spent 50 hours making something, then someone comes along and plants a flag in it and claims they did it, not you, then challenges you to prove it. It's the bane of 3D guys everywhere, and as Enlightenment said previously it's heavily frowned upon everywhere, on boards and in the courts. If I find it happening now, I get stuck in.
Look at the model, his IS mine with a few bits added and a change of colour. The same panels in exactly the same places, even down to the number and angle of the slats in the engine vents. That's not inspired by mine, it IS mine with a few modifications. Kitbashes are ok when the guy openly admits it, but Crix didn't and MUST know he didn't make that model himself, no one's that dumb. Even if it came to him with no readme file, he could say it's based on an old model he found. I politely pointed it out and he tried to brazen it out, and I can't help but notice that he went silent when I told him I could prove I made it years ago. Then again, he may be trying to make WIP models of it right now to prove his point...
Go ahead with the original, the picture you provided is now the WM-1T. Here's the history thing I woke up with this morning, comments from all, welcomed and asked for.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:All I did was add a couple of metres to the fuseage forward of the wing and slap on 4 quick fins, it took 2 minutes to do.I still have the original version safely tucked away, along with a few of the older ones as backup in case I screw up something so bad I can't fix it. It also helps when someone nicks yer mesh and you have to try and prove you made the damn thing in the first place, the original reason I ended up registering with this board in the first place.
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So, am I developing this one or the original now? I can do somewhat better 'etheric rudders' as the books call them, they don't take long at all, it's just that any image maps I make for weathering, markings, etc are tailor made to fit as exactly as possible. I'll just continue with the original until I here otherwise.
I like the sensor, maybe a teardrop blister under the nose if Kenny's feeling generous.Knife wrote:My take, if Rob and Kenny_10_Belly do not mind. Both are real nice and Kenny, your a fucking genius.
The landing strunts: well, the whole ship looks like it is ass heavy so the idea of a front strut is, IMHO, not necessary. I think it would still look balanced with two to four strunt in the back end under the engines. (the humps on the rolebar are the engines, right?)
Fins: I really like the fins, it gives it more diamention IMO. For landing, the bottom could fold to allow clearence for the landing struts or perhaps the struts are long enough already so the fins don't have to fold.
The nose: I agree, the nose is lacking something. A set of conards could help. Rob, you already expressed that the small fins in the back look good but wouldn't do the job of atmosphereic control. Adding conards would augment the rear fins and add that "something" to the nose. If not, then some bulge or small turret for a sensor or the like.
Mindreader I have it designed 15 or so years before the Clone Wars. But also still serving and used by the Alliance (best of all worlds - everyoe gets a colour schemeKnife wrote:Color: Hope you don't mind, but I really liked the yellow scheme myself. I don't know what you have in mind for the design history on the ship, Rob. But it does look like it might be an older design so a Rebel neutral scheme just seems right.
Read away, I should have mentioned a CAS role in the Clone Wars section (I'll add that in a minute).Knife wrote:Function: Do you have an idea about its function, Rob? It looks like it would be a heavy assualt "bomber" or maybe even a gunship/missleboat. A good take on the large v small version could be; the large one is a heavy duty, long range attack fighter while the smaller one was designed for local work. More or less just a difference in weapons payload.
There's about to be a New thread in The Mess, I'll appreciate any answers from all members.Knife wrote:Anyway, looks really great and it was a good idea. Rock on.
Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:No sweat Dalton, it's not your fault or problem, it just pisses me off bigtime now. I let it drop but when someone prods me on this subject I go off like a grenade, I'm like that I guess, Sorry.
Got it from the front page of ViewAskew, actually. It's the animated Silent Bob.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:By the way, I assume that's a Jay and Silent Bob avatar you got there, where'd you get it?
Go for it, My hope is to collect all the drawings so far and put together proper O-wing page myself (I think you can tell what my Wallpaper is bound to be real soonDalton wrote:Hey Rob, you want this O-Wing on the Starship Galleries page?
Hehe! I'll add it next update if I remember.Rob Wilson wrote:Go for it, My hope is to collect all the drawings so far and put together proper O-wing page myself (I think you can tell what my Wallpaper is bound to be real soonDalton wrote:Hey Rob, you want this O-Wing on the Starship Galleries page?).
Well a thought I had was for the landing gear modules to be sort of lozenge-shaped with slightly rounded end caps. When the bottom opens the two end caps also hinge open this allows the landing gear to swing down and back at a greater angle than if there were bay endwalls in the way.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:I was thinking that if we keep the fins, the lower fins will be over the actual land gear door and will swing out of the way when the doors open. To be honest I'm having trouble coming up with LG that doesn't look too flimsy to hold such a heavy-looking design. More experimentation needed when I get the chance.
http://www.daltonator.net/fuq/gallery/index.htmlKenny_10_Bellys wrote:What starship gallery is this? If it's to be a permanent addition I'd like the chance to finish it and do a beauty shot of it, you guys need to remember this thing is only about 65-75% percent complete.
it'll also be the only one that doesn't have player character pilot attached.Dalton wrote:http://www.daltonator.net/fuq/gallery/index.htmlKenny_10_Bellys wrote:What starship gallery is this? If it's to be a permanent addition I'd like the chance to finish it and do a beauty shot of it, you guys need to remember this thing is only about 65-75% percent complete.
What's amusing about it is that Rob'll be the only one with a really nice-looking ship graphic and only the second or third with an original pic
Take your time though. This is a "just for fun" thing that we use for TGODs/Story Debates/War Games.
Good, I didn't do all that work for nothin'Rob Wilson wrote:it'll also be the only one that doesn't have player character pilot attached.Dalton wrote:http://www.daltonator.net/fuq/gallery/index.htmlKenny_10_Bellys wrote:What starship gallery is this? If it's to be a permanent addition I'd like the chance to finish it and do a beauty shot of it, you guys need to remember this thing is only about 65-75% percent complete.
What's amusing about it is that Rob'll be the only one with a really nice-looking ship graphic and only the second or third with an original pic
Take your time though. This is a "just for fun" thing that we use for TGODs/Story Debates/War Games.![]()
Still it's now in the Warwolves fighter complement, so it's getting some use.
Don't worry about it, I'm having too much fun coming up with a backstory and history for it - including little explaination for all the previous pictures.Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Give me a minute and I'll have a quick bash at landing gear, something dead basic to get us going. I need to detail the engines anyway so it meshes nicely with that. Not been doing anything to it today really, had to leave work early with food poisoning or something and have spent the last 6 hours asleep on the couch in my front room eating paracetamol.
Yeah, that way I won't have to do any workRob Wilson wrote:Hey Dalton, do you want to wait until i do a full page thing, and then put that on the Gallery?