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New Star Trek Movie/Rapid Trekkie attacks to come(spoilers)

Postby Anarchist Bunny » 2002-07-16 11:04pm

If you've read the new Star Trek script you know that the romulans(accually I think it was the remulans or something like that) have this new technology that uses a special radiation to instantly disolve all living matter on a planet. Ofcourse the ship carrying the only version of this weapon was destroyed and it was the only one or the romulan govt. would of sent a different one to kill everyone on earth and let the main bad guy do his thing with Picard(trying not to give away about something quite surprising) was destroyed on the E-E. The only other known one of it's type was hand held size and only effective on the room scale. And the Federation had no idea that this radiation could even exsist.

[Rabid trekkie dreams of being able to find a way to destroy the empire][sarcasm]
Ofcourse that doesn't mean that in the small time frame that the attack on the federation would take it doesn't mean they couldn't get the Romulans to give them this powerful technology, understand it, adapt it to thier ships, design them for use from insane distances away to prevent an chance of getting fired upon by a ISD, get the number of troops to operate an ISD, instantly understand how an ISD works and how the wiring works cuase ISD don't look sleek and smooth, adapt this technology to an ISD, rinse and repeat. So Mike Wong WATCH OUT!!!!
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Accually I wouldn't be at all surprised if a SB trekkie trys to challege tHEwONG with this exact battle plan with out the sarcasm in a few months.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-16 11:14pm

Lets wait for specifics - it is probably blocked by shields anyway, however we know little else above the device.

You didnt mention the ship can have its shields on while cloaked :).

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Postby SCVN 2812 » 2002-07-16 11:20pm

Okay I'll play the part of the rabid Trekkie here: [Rabid Trekkie]you know they probably have a copy of the plans stuck somewhere, had to be developed somewhere before they installed it on the ship. The title and general tone of your post suggests that you are an ass.[/Rabid Trekkie]

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Postby Anarchist Bunny » 2002-07-16 11:27pm

Okay I'll play the part of the rabid Trekkie here: [Rabid Trekkie]you know they probably have a copy of the plans stuck somewhere, had to be developed somewhere before they installed it on the ship. The title and general tone of your post suggests that you are an ass.[/Rabid Trekkie]

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Yes but they only had one working version. Also there is the whole thing of the Romulans being on bad terms with the Humans, seeing how they wanted to kill everyone on Earth, that could be a snag in getting those plans prototypes.

And no, I wasn't being an ass to trekkies. I was making fun of trekkies who come up with crazy and stupid senarios to try to give the federation an edge.[/quote]
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-16 11:37pm

The way i read it the Remans were he ones attacking earth not the rimulans and since the Feds pull the romulans butts out of the fire maybe they will wise up.

Especially since the old guard of senators are gone more modern open minded ones will likely fill the ranks.

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Postby SCVN 2812 » 2002-07-16 11:38pm

Is it really that suprising or stupid that they do come up with crazy or stupid scenarios to give the Federation an edge considering just how many times crazy or "stupid" scenarios have been responsible for saving the day? Scenarios such as these that boggle the sane mind, are routine in the ST universe and are somewhat important because they do serve as a sort of random variable that could help or hinder the subjugation of the evil Trek universe by the rightous Galactic Empire, in most cases they can make things not so cut and dry, and what's the fun in even considering such a ridiculously uneven scenario as Wong's nauseatingly far fetched resurgent uber Empire vs a pre-Endgame (I was sickened by the bias and (as far as Star Trek goes, inaccuracy of the site, mainly the socio-political garbage, that I didn't read his fan fic and his site does not address the Endgame technology I assume he will not allow his beloved Empire to face an opponent with an actual chance in hell of winning)
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-16 11:42pm

I sense a disturbance in the flame force.

I agree Wongs site has a bias but questioning him will be asking for a napalm response.

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Postby SCVN 2812 » 2002-07-16 11:47pm

If that's my reward for doing the taboo and going so far as to question the holy bible of Warsdom then so be it.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-16 11:50pm

Ekk Wong has a thing about religon, comparing his site to the bible wont be well recieved ;) .

I would agree though that the bias is easily seen in some areas like how the Federation has actions ascribed to it that never happened (to do with the cold war).

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Postby Ai Phling Pu » 2002-07-16 11:58pm

Quoted from AnarchistBunny:

Ofcourse that doesn't mean that in the small time frame that the attack on the federation would take it doesn't mean they couldn't get the Romulans to give them this powerful technology, understand it, adapt it to thier ships, design them for use from insane distances away to prevent an chance of getting fired upon by a ISD, get the number of troops to operate an ISD, instantly understand how an ISD works and how the wiring works cuase ISD don't look sleek and smooth, adapt this technology to an ISD, rinse and repeat. So Mike Wong WATCH OUT!!!!
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Postby DarkStar » 2002-07-17 03:03am

The Reman technology isn't a radically new concept. The Klingon captain in "The Chase"[TNG] used some sort of technobabble to destroy all life on one of the planets with potentially valuable genetic material. Whatever it was he used, it apparently rendered all the DNA on the planet unusable in an extremely short timeframe.

(Been awhile since I saw the ep, but I as I recall we could see the spreading area of brown on the living green world.)

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Postby Kazuaki Shimazaki » 2002-07-17 08:05am

SCVN 2812 wrote:Is it really that suprising or stupid that they do come up with crazy or stupid scenarios to give the Federation an edge considering just how many times crazy or "stupid" scenarios have been responsible for saving the day? Scenarios such as these that boggle the sane mind, are routine in the ST universe and are somewhat important because they do serve as a sort of random variable that could help or hinder the subjugation of the evil Trek universe by the rightous Galactic Empire, in most cases they can make things not so cut and dry, and what's the fun in even considering such a ridiculously uneven scenario as Wong's nauseatingly far fetched resurgent uber Empire vs a pre-Endgame (I was sickened by the bias and (as far as Star Trek goes, inaccuracy of the site, mainly the socio-political garbage, that I didn't read his fan fic and his site does not address the Endgame technology I assume he will not allow his beloved Empire to face an opponent with an actual chance in hell of winning)


Stupid and crazy scenarios are not permitted because you cannot prove them ("prove" used layman-style). The best you can do with them is say there is a weak, VERY WEAK possibility it can occur. They are also unfalsifiable - "You cannot absolutely prove that it won't be possible."

The website was mostly constructed in the pre-TM obsolescence era, so is it really so surprising it didn't have a hell of a lot on Endgame, which 'cept for the new Enterprise series is the latest thing in Trek (and chronologically, Endgame IS the latest thing they've shown us so far in Trek, AFAIK).

Other people had already repeatedly asked why he used a full-strength Empire. It doesn't matter squat. His campaign uses only 50-100 Star Destroyers in its latest incarnation. That's mighty easy to provide. The people I know that asked the question are pinned on his Hate Mail page.

Talking about his Hate Mail page, that John Riehle guy once talked about Endgame tech, namely the Batmobile armor and the transphasic torpedoes. Of course, Wong smacked him in the face.

As to whether his views on Fed socio-politics are accurate, that's up to you. After all, there are no hard cues, no bright red flags, no "Comrades."

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Postby SPOOFE » 2002-07-17 08:11am

Okay I'll play the part of the rabid Trekkie here: [Rabid Trekkie]you know they probably have a copy of the plans stuck somewhere, had to be developed somewhere before they installed it on the ship. The title and general tone of your post suggests that you are an ass.[/Rabid Trekkie]

You forgot the part where they mention Section 31.
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Postby Soontir C'boath » 2002-07-17 09:25am

anarchistbunny wrote:Ofcourse that doesn't mean that in the small time frame that the attack on the federation would take it doesn't mean they couldn't get the Romulans to give them this powerful technology, understand it, adapt it to thier ships, design them for use from insane distances away to prevent an chance of getting fired upon by a ISD, get the number of troops to operate an ISD, instantly understand how an ISD works and how the wiring works cuase ISD don't look sleek and smooth, adapt this technology to an ISD, rinse and repeat..


Isn't it Imperial procedures that if they're ship is captured or will be captured inevitably that the Computer core and all memory Banks be erased and to be self destructed? If so then Star Fleet officers will known notin and may be blown away....Not to mention that they can't cause of the hundreds of stormtroopers on the ship and that almost every officer carries a side arm, but i'm sure Trekkies will find a way to say they died or sometin...

Sooooooo Trekkies have no chance hee hee no matter what..like all of us Warsies say.
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Postby Doomriser » 2002-07-17 12:30pm

1. ST:X will take place after "Endgame." It is doubtful that the Ent-E will employ any tech from "Endgame," suggesting that the temporal police put the stuff away, or that the tech was uniquely adapted to Voyager. Either way, it will be lost tech.

2. The Reman radiation technology will also be lost tech. And besides, how would the Feds ever employ it against the empire. AFAIK it destroys all life in a certain radius. So Starfleet can't use it to defend planets, starbases, etc... against Imperial attack because it will kill their own people. And they won't be able to deploy it against SW installations because they will be too far away by warp no matter what the situation. And I'm generously assuming that the device works through shields. (Earth has no planetary shield.) I'll read the Nemesis script and see what I can learn.

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Postby Anarchist Bunny » 2002-07-17 03:05pm

I don't give a damn about post-Endgame weaponry. A ISD can take any star trek ship in 2 shots max. Supposing that the shot, 400x more stronger than the maximum shields for a ST ship, will be canseled by the shields and not simple burst the shield and continue on to destroy the ship. Even a completely unshielded ISD to tear up Fully shielded ST ships, unless ofcourse they are sickly close to a planet or moon sized battle station, otherwise they can just take over controls from some where eles on the ship. This is also assuming that the Feds know exactly were to fire.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-17 03:10pm

anarchistbunny: If the Endgame weapons worked it would give the feds a fighting chance.

As for being lost tech - the time cops probably locked it up but if the imps showed up the feds would break them out.

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Postby SirNitram » 2002-07-17 03:13pm

TheDarkling wrote:anarchistbunny: If the Endgame weapons worked it would give the feds a fighting chance.

As for being lost tech - the time cops probably locked it up but if the imps showed up the feds would break them out.


Like how they pulled out the Deflector Dish Trick on the Dominon.....

Wait, they didn't.

Then how they pulled out hte planetbuster bomb on the Borg....

Wait, they didn't.

They don't pull lost tech out for new enemies, so they won't for the Empire.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-17 03:18pm

The deflector dish was Borg specific so it wouldnt work on the dominion - why would they use it?

Planetbuster bomb - Im not sure I remeber that one could you refresh my memory?

It isnt lost tech they know its great tech they are just letting their ethics dictate their use/non-use of it.

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Postby Anarchist Bunny » 2002-07-17 03:19pm

No it wouldn't, Transphasic Torps are no more powerful than a quantum torp. They just are unadaptable to hard to adapt to to borg tech. The torps just caused enough damage for borg cube systems to go critical and for the cube to be destroyed. And the other was just think armor plating. Hmmmmm, something Star Wars have never seen before.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-17 03:29pm

anarchistbunny: Where did you get the unadaptable thing from?
Some people seem to think the torps are more than that, I cant remember however but if you have a quote that would help.

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Postby Grand Admiral Thrawn » 2002-07-17 03:35pm

TheDarkling wrote:The deflector dish was Borg specific so it wouldnt work on the dominion - why would they use it?


Wrongo. They tried it in "Night Terrors"
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Postby Anarchist Bunny » 2002-07-17 03:38pm

Well, lets see. It went through borg shields and caused massive damage to Borg Ships like the first photon torps the E-D fired, it didn't seem to be affected by any borg adaptations to fed weapons like even the quantum torps. So either TTs are technology that were picked up by a race completely unknown to the borg(still after the first ship was destroyed the other sheres/cubes would have adapted to them like the second photon torp attack by the E-D) or it's adaptable resistent-proof weaponry. Wasn't there also something about the Borg Queen stated about how they will adapt to them(showing they were having trouble doing so), or was that the virus.
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Postby TheDarkling » 2002-07-17 03:39pm

Yes to put out a whole lot of energy but the weapon is no more use than that.

Therefore its only been used as a weapon once.

Using against the dmoinion would have been dumb - "yes lets destroy one of their ships and cripple ares", yep makes alot of sense.

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Postby SirNitram » 2002-07-17 03:39pm

TheDarkling wrote:Yes to put out a whole lot of energy but the weapon is no more use than that.

Therefore its only been used as a weapon once.


Thank you for conceeding that the Federation abandoned it's only high-power weapon.
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