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The Saints vs. The Buffy-verse
Okay, here's the scenario. In Buffy season 4, episode 16, "Who Are You," a gang of vampires holds a church hostage for an extended period of time. Connor, Murph and Il Duce are in the church when this happens. The brothers are armed (remember, they bring their weapons into church) with their standard movie iron (akimbo Colt .45's, I think they were), and Il Duce has his shotgun.
No, Connor doesn't have his rope.
They have about 10 minutes before Riley gets to church late and realizes that it's been taken hostage at the beginning of the ceremonies. They're compelled not to wait around for the authorities. They're in California for whatever reason, which means that there's a nation-wide man-hunt going on for them. However, they're also not compelled to simply flee and leave the parishioners at the mercy of the three vampires. They don't really know that these guys are vampires, so using a stake won't occur immediately to them, if ever.
So, they have to kill the three vampires and get out before the authorities knew they were there. However, they also have about 15 minutes before Faith in Buffy's body arrives on the scene and starts kicking ass. They don't know she's on her way, but when she arrives and starts killing things, they can try and make an escape at that point.
How does this play out?
EDIT: Changed the thread title, since it's the brothers plus their father, not just the brothers.
No, Connor doesn't have his rope.
They have about 10 minutes before Riley gets to church late and realizes that it's been taken hostage at the beginning of the ceremonies. They're compelled not to wait around for the authorities. They're in California for whatever reason, which means that there's a nation-wide man-hunt going on for them. However, they're also not compelled to simply flee and leave the parishioners at the mercy of the three vampires. They don't really know that these guys are vampires, so using a stake won't occur immediately to them, if ever.
So, they have to kill the three vampires and get out before the authorities knew they were there. However, they also have about 15 minutes before Faith in Buffy's body arrives on the scene and starts kicking ass. They don't know she's on her way, but when she arrives and starts killing things, they can try and make an escape at that point.
How does this play out?
EDIT: Changed the thread title, since it's the brothers plus their father, not just the brothers.
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Wait a minute, do the Saints get to have God on their side? If so, they stand a chance against the Vampires, otherwise it seems like hand guns are some of the least effective weapons to bring to bear against Buffy Vampires.Durandal wrote:Okay, here's the scenario. In Buffy season 4, episode 16, "Who Are You," a gang of vampires holds a church hostage for an extended period of time. Connor, Murph and Il Duce are in the church when this happens. The brothers are armed (remember, they bring their weapons into church) with their standard movie iron (akimbo Colt .45's, I think they were), and Il Duce has his shotgun.
No, Connor doesn't have his rope.
They have about 10 minutes before Riley gets to church late and realizes that it's been taken hostage at the beginning of the ceremonies. They're compelled not to wait around for the authorities. They're in California for whatever reason, which means that there's a nation-wide man-hunt going on for them. However, they're also not compelled to simply flee and leave the parishioners at the mercy of the three vampires. They don't really know that these guys are vampires, so using a stake won't occur immediately to them, if ever.
So, they have to kill the three vampires and get out before the authorities knew they were there. However, they also have about 15 minutes before Faith in Buffy's body arrives on the scene and starts kicking ass. They don't know she's on her way, but when she arrives and starts killing things, they can try and make an escape at that point.
How does this play out?
EDIT: Changed the thread title, since it's the brothers plus their father, not just the brothers.
If they get the usual divine sanction to keep heaven stocked with fresh souls, perhaps they'll be inspired to stake the vampires. It is pretty common in mythology as a way to take out vampires. I've never seen faith being used as a weapon, a la Hamilton's Slayerverse, so I doubt they could depend on their faith to just blast the vampires.
Anyway, they battle the vampires and Faith shows up. Remember: no women, no children. So it's not like they'll try and hurt her. Il Duche might try and knock her out, like he did the FBI agent. They might end up working against their common enemy, and once that is done, the Saints will probably just flee.
That's my take anyway.
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The only thing those Vamps have to fear is the insane luck of the brothers and their father's shotgun. Sure, it won't kill them, but it'll do a lot of damage.
Not sure is they'd join up with Buffy and co...She's such a stickler for not killing humans...
Not sure is they'd join up with Buffy and co...She's such a stickler for not killing humans...
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The Saints' uncanny ability to not be killed would probably translate to some sort of protection spell in the Buffy-verse. However, they are not invincible or infallible; Papa Joe's guys nabbed them trying to sneak into his house.
And while vampires may be immortal, they are not impervious to harm. They do have functioning nervous systems, and it is possible to interrupt those functions physically (see Spike and his chip). I see no reason why a vampire wouldn't be knocked out of play from a gun shot to the head, or from multiple repeated gun shot wounds. Glory beat the shit out of Spike, and he certainly wasn't at his physical peak afterward for at least a day.
But let's say that the Saints do get the inspiration to stake these guys. Not implausible; they're highly religious, and they'd probably spot the vampires' fangs. To kill them, they'd have to get close enough to stake them. This would allow the vampires' strength advantage to come into play.
And while vampires may be immortal, they are not impervious to harm. They do have functioning nervous systems, and it is possible to interrupt those functions physically (see Spike and his chip). I see no reason why a vampire wouldn't be knocked out of play from a gun shot to the head, or from multiple repeated gun shot wounds. Glory beat the shit out of Spike, and he certainly wasn't at his physical peak afterward for at least a day.
But let's say that the Saints do get the inspiration to stake these guys. Not implausible; they're highly religious, and they'd probably spot the vampires' fangs. To kill them, they'd have to get close enough to stake them. This would allow the vampires' strength advantage to come into play.
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Frankly I'd love to hear the brother's comentary on the situation...
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After seeing a vampire burst into dust, it'd probably be something like what happened after Rocco killed the cat. "I can't believe that just fucking happened!"
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Remember the first season where Darla tries to do in Angel and Buffy with a pair of .45s, guns will tear up a vampire as effectively as a human. It just won't kill them (though getting their heads emptied with a .45 cal might actually count as much as decapitation).Demiurge wrote:A shotgun hit to the back can slow down a vampire. A shot to the head would do serious damage.
And it's worth noting, that new born vampires aren't really that much better than they were as humans, all bragging aside. A pair of pub brawlers like the brothers should handle most of them easily.Demiurge wrote:Close range probably won't be too much of a problem. We've seen regular people go hand-to-hand against vampires and survive. A weakened one should be a reasonably simple kill.
A shot gun blast to the torso at close range isnt going to leave much of the said torso.Demiurge wrote:A shotgun hit to the back can slow down a vampire. A shot to the head would do serious damage. Close range probably won't be too much of a problem. We've seen regular people go hand-to-hand against vampires and survive. A weakened one should be a reasonably simple kill.
Added to Buffyverse vampires fasciation with attack one-on-one upto ~five on one, the biggest problem is the shotgun.is going to run out of ammo too fast.
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How close? It's not a good idea to get too close to a vampire.ggs wrote:A shot gun blast to the torso at close range isnt going to leave much of the said torso.Demiurge wrote:A shotgun hit to the back can slow down a vampire. A shot to the head would do serious damage. Close range probably won't be too much of a problem. We've seen regular people go hand-to-hand against vampires and survive. A weakened one should be a reasonably simple kill.
Added to Buffyverse vampires fasciation with attack one-on-one upto ~five on one, the biggest problem is the shotgun.is going to run out of ammo too fast.
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This is true. Vampires in the Buffy-verse can actually be disabled by just about everything that can put down a normal human; it just seems to require more. Spike was incapacitated with electric shocks, for example.ggs wrote:A shot gun blast to the torso at close range isnt going to leave much of the said torso.
His shotgun was fairly small. It might have been able to hold five rounds at the most. And vampires have superior speed and agility, so the problem for the Saints would probably be actually hitting them. They never really shot at moving targets, if you'll remember. They relied heavily on the element of surprise and were just plainly lucky as hell.Added to Buffyverse vampires fasciation with attack one-on-one upto ~five on one, the biggest problem is the shotgun.is going to run out of ammo too fast.
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I don't remember anything like that, no. I assume that he'd be knocked out cold, but the wound would eventually heal so he was up to full capacity again. This of course, assuming that whoever shot him doesn't stake him while he's out.Demiurge wrote:Has a vampire ever been shot in the head on either show? I don't think it's ever happened.
And yes, we'll say they have boot knives.
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My memory of this episode is real rusty. was there anything special about these vampires? did they seem to have been around for a while or were they n00bs?
Xander has held his own on numerous occations aginst unnamed vamps before. no reason to belive the saints wouldnt mop the floor.
the Saints go primarly for headshots. with no evidence of the effects of a headshot on a vampire its hard to say how effective their guns would be. I tend to belive that if a broken back paralized Spike then a .45 to the braincase would drop a vamp for the time being.
Xander has held his own on numerous occations aginst unnamed vamps before. no reason to belive the saints wouldnt mop the floor.
the Saints go primarly for headshots. with no evidence of the effects of a headshot on a vampire its hard to say how effective their guns would be. I tend to belive that if a broken back paralized Spike then a .45 to the braincase would drop a vamp for the time being.
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They'd been around for a while. They were pumped up on Adam's pep-talk.Kon_El wrote:My memory of this episode is real rusty. was there anything special about these vampires? did they seem to have been around for a while or were they n00bs?
Of course, Xander knows what to do to kill them. But your point is well-taken.Xander has held his own on numerous occations aginst unnamed vamps before. no reason to belive the saints wouldnt mop the floor.
The Saints take the head shot when their mark is on his knees. Then they say their prayer clean out his skull cavity. However, in fire fights, they shoot for the torso. I don't remember them scoring any head shots in the balls-out fire-fights in the movie; they targeted and hit the torso almost all the time. Any head shots they scored in a fire-fight would've been just lucky, not intended.the Saints go primarly for headshots. with no evidence of the effects of a headshot on a vampire its hard to say how effective their guns would be. I tend to belive that if a broken back paralized Spike then a .45 to the braincase would drop a vamp for the time being.
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That doesn't mean much, he gave them the pep talk just shortly before. I think it's safe to see they were relatively young vampire, certainly no more than a couple years old at most.They'd been around for a while. They were pumped up on Adam's pep-talk.
And Xander hasn't been in half the fights either of the brothers have.Of course, Xander knows what to do to kill them. But your point is well-taken.
They might not go for head shots, but they did how ever nail the mobesters (even the ones going to for cover) while spinning from the ceiling, hung by their ankles. And they did so with minimal prep time on their part. That's a fair peice of a shooting.The Saints take the head shot when their mark is on his knees. Then they say their prayer clean out his skull cavity. However, in fire fights, they shoot for the torso. I don't remember them scoring any head shots in the balls-out fire-fights in the movie; they targeted and hit the torso almost all the time. Any head shots they scored in a fire-fight would've been just lucky, not intended.
And of course Smecker, and FBI agent, calls their shooting good. So if nothing else they'd have to be reasonably competent.
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I never said that they were empowered; that's just why they were there.Shaidar Haran wrote:[That doesn't mean much, he gave them the pep talk just shortly before. I think it's safe to see they were relatively young vampire, certainly no more than a couple years old at most.
I'm not saying they're bad shots; I'm saying that head shots are difficult shots, and we've never seen them pull one off on a moving target, much less one with super-human speed and strength.They might not go for head shots, but they did how ever nail the mobesters (even the ones going to for cover) while spinning from the ceiling, hung by their ankles. And they did so with minimal prep time on their part. That's a fair peice of a shooting.
And of course Smecker, and FBI agent, calls their shooting good. So if nothing else they'd have to be reasonably competent.
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Pardon me for being a total newbie, but I'm not familar with this Saints thing.... I take it that they're vampire hunters a la Buffy, but with a different angle or something? Be a help if someone could elucidate for me... then I might be able to contribute... incidentally, from what I've been reading here, I figure the Saints would be able to do right good. Colt .45s are pretty darned powerful, and while they wouldn't stop a vampire most likely, they'd still be able to knock them around... and provided enough magazines, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints would last pretty long, if not actually winning.
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No. They are two brothers from Boston that believe they've been chosen by God to smite the wicked. They also seem to be quite adept at shooting guns. Especially spinning around on a rope from the ceiling.Elheru Aran wrote:Pardon me for being a total newbie, but I'm not familar with this Saints thing.... I take it that they're vampire hunters a la Buffy, but with a different angle or something? Be a help if someone could elucidate for me... then I might be able to contribute...
They're father has also joined them. He's also extremely badass.
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See this movie.Elheru Aran wrote:Pardon me for being a total newbie, but I'm not familar with this Saints thing.... I take it that they're vampire hunters a la Buffy, but with a different angle or something? Be a help if someone could elucidate for me... then I might be able to contribute... incidentally, from what I've been reading here, I figure the Saints would be able to do right good. Colt .45s are pretty darned powerful, and while they wouldn't stop a vampire most likely, they'd still be able to knock them around... and provided enough magazines, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints would last pretty long, if not actually winning.
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If it isn't, put in a request with the Fantasy mod to have it added.neoolong wrote:Is the Boondock Saints mentioned in the Announcements? Get enough of the questions about the movie.
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Actually if you or someone as knowledgeable wants to just ask...I'll put it as an Annoucement here.Durandal wrote:If it isn't, put in a request with the Fantasy mod to have it added.neoolong wrote:Is the Boondock Saints mentioned in the Announcements? Get enough of the questions about the movie.
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