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Which hunter is the superior foe?
Fett gets some new and useful hunting equipment. 58%  58%  [ 45 ]
Predator mounts Fett's skull in his trophy cabinet. 23%  23%  [ 18 ]
It's a tie. Both decide to get a drink together and discuss their personal victories. 19%  19%  [ 15 ]
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If the Pred uses his disc, or whatever big guns he has, then Fett looses his head. But Fett's armament is more than enough to disintegrate the Pred. So, if the Pred uses his heavy stuff, this match is going to end when either one of them fires first. But if the Pred merely sees Boba has a gun and uses the plasma caster, the Pred is fucked since Boba's gun is not just a gun but a blaster. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.


Where was this established? I've never seen either fett's weapon or a blaster weapon do several of these:

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In quick succession, whereas we have seen the pred do it.

Would a load of them not seriously fuck fett up?


You'd think so. Even if his super armor wasn't dented or super heated, you'd think the impact could render him effectively unconscious.

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. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.
Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her) While the Preds Shoulder Cannon while smaller that Hans Pistol, Hits Dillon and takes his Arm Off and manages to blast through Blaines Torso.

and in the Movies we never saw more of Boba than the Blaster and the entangling line he used on Luke (come to think of it, Did he ever use the Blaster at all?) While with Pred we Did see an entire arsenal of weapons (Shoulder cannon, Claws, the Disk Weapon, the spear, the net and the Cloaking field)

Now if you throw EU in for Pred a friend who said he read the book to Predator told me that Pred can mentally Control animals (couldnt do it to humans though and thats why he hunted humans, better sport) and that was why the Pig ran through the triplines, he used the pig as a distraction so he could claim the body he stole. Also he said that Pred made the Snake Spit at Blaine to distract him just before shooting him. now a cant back this up as i dont have the book, can anyone Comfirm this?



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. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.
Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her)

No, the best example given of a blaster's power is the head sized holes in Cloud City's walls left after the stormtroopers were shooting at Luke. Or maybe the stormtroopers cutting through the Tantive IV's airlock. (If they had other cutting implements, I didn't see them.) Or perhaps the detention block door on the Death Star when the stormtroopers shot it open. If that's the only example of a blaster shot that you can think of then you need to go watch the movies again.

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. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.
Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her)

No, the best example given of a blaster's power is the head sized holes in Cloud City's walls left after the stormtroopers were shooting at Luke.


Any idea what that material was? If it was simple plaster then that ain't all that impressive, though that would still severely injure or even kill a Predator I would think.

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Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her)


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Mechwarrior wrote:
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. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.
Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her) While the Preds Shoulder Cannon while smaller that Hans Pistol, Hits Dillon and takes his Arm Off and manages to blast through Blaines Torso.


There were orders to take Leia alive.

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and in the Movies we never saw more of Boba than the Blaster and the entangling line he used on Luke (come to think of it, Did he ever use the Blaster at all?) While with Pred we Did see an entire arsenal of weapons (Shoulder cannon, Claws, the Disk Weapon, the spear, the net and the Cloaking field)


How about the EU, which is canon? How about those visual dictionaries and whatnot, which are also canon and/or official?

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Now if you throw EU in for Pred a friend who said he read the book to Predator told me that Pred can mentally Control animals (couldnt do it to humans though and thats why he hunted humans, better sport) and that was why the Pig ran through the triplines, he used the pig as a distraction so he could claim the body he stole. Also he said that Pred made the Snake Spit at Blaine to distract him just before shooting him. now a cant back this up as i dont have the book, can anyone Comfirm this?


Bullshit. That's absolutely false. And there was no snake which spat at Blaine. And if there was, wouldn't it be dishonorable? It's supposed to be a fair fight.

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Then What was that splash that hit him just before Pred shot him?



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Then What was that splash that hit him just before Pred shot him?


What splash?

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Something splashes on Blaine. I always thought it was him getting hit by ... something.



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Doesn't the pred shoot Blaine twice? One just grazes him (causing the splashing of blood) and the second kills him.



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Doesn't the pred shoot Blaine twice? One just grazes him (causing the splashing of blood) and the second kills him.


That's what I always thought.



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Doesn't the pred shoot Blaine twice? One just grazes him (causing the splashing of blood) and the second kills him.


I always thought it was to get his attention, you know, cos it'd sort of be like shooting a guy in the back when he wasn't even suspecting anything. It lets off a tiny shot to get his attention then when he turns round he gets cored out.



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Doesn't the pred shoot Blaine twice? One just grazes him (causing the splashing of blood) and the second kills him.
No something thats mostly Liquid hits Blaine in the neck moments before Pred shoots him, and it came from a diferent direction.



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Boba has a wife? :shock:


No.


Yes he does. She's another Bounty Hunter. The source and name of her escapes my mind at the moment, but I'll provide it shortly.



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Rogue 9 wrote:
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. And Boba's armor can withstand blaster blasts which > shoulder cannon.
Let see now, the best example given of a blasters power was when it hit Leias SHoulder and and did little more than Singe it ( and gave Han an excuse to Cop a Feel, realy watch his hand when he catches her)

No, the best example given of a blaster's power is the head sized holes in Cloud City's walls left after the stormtroopers were shooting at Luke. Or maybe the stormtroopers cutting through the Tantive IV's airlock. (If they had other cutting implements, I didn't see them.) Or perhaps the detention block door on the Death Star when the stormtroopers shot it open. If that's the only example of a blaster shot that you can think of then you need to go watch the movies again.


And lets not forget Han's DL-44 blowing torso-sized chunks out of Docking Bay 94's ferrocrete.

The crux of the argument is multiple power settings. When Boba Fett encounters the Predator, there's a damn big chance that he will dial up the power a few notches. Even if he doesn't, we see him shoot his EE-3 in ESB, gouging head-sized holes in the durasteel walls. Does the Predator have armour with the equivalent strength of 20 cm of durasteel?

I doubt it.



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There were orders to take Leia alive.


Bullshit, fuck this stupid capture cop out. Were the rebels trying to capture the Imperial officers as well? No, and those officers didn't sustain gruesome wounds. If the soldiers were ordered to capture Leia, then why was the Emperor so convinced that they were going to die on the moon?



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Doesn't the pred shoot Blaine twice? One just grazes him (causing the splashing of blood) and the second kills him.
No something thats mostly Liquid hits Blaine in the neck moments before Pred shoots him, and it came from a diferent direction.


Incorrect. The Predator does shoot Blaine twice.....



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Something splashes on Blaine. I always thought it was him getting hit by ... something.


The predator shot the little animal rat thing.



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Kamakazie Sith wrote:

Incorrect. The Predator does shoot Blaine twice.....


Blasted lack of an edit button!

Anyways heres the little rat thing the pred shot...to splash blaine.

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Incorrect. The Predator does shoot Blaine twice.....


Blasted lack of an edit button!

Anyways heres the little rat thing the pred shot...to splash blaine.

http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/debatepics/PREDATOR-1-2.jpg


Alright I stand corrected. My apologies to Mech.



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Laird wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:

Incorrect. The Predator does shoot Blaine twice.....


Blasted lack of an edit button!

Anyways heres the little rat thing the pred shot...to splash blaine.

http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/debatepics/PREDATOR-1-2.jpg
Actually we never do see a second shot, just the shot that hit Blaine in the back. Blaine saw that critter, turned away from it, got splashed by something, then got shot in the back from the pred. and as far as i can tell the critter, shash ans pred were all from different directions to Blaine.



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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
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Incorrect. The Predator does shoot Blaine twice.....


Blasted lack of an edit button!

Anyways heres the little rat thing the pred shot...to splash blaine.

http://members.shaw.ca/dmz/debatepics/PREDATOR-1-2.jpg


Alright I stand corrected. My apologies to Mech.


Funny thing is that "Same rat thing" animal is shot at again when the pred looses arnie in the mud.:)



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There were orders to take Leia alive.


Very unlikely. Nevertheless, armour can appear to be normal clothes (like that assassin's [forget the name] shell-spun sweater in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, and it was a hit to the arm. Most people don't die when you shoot their arm, except maybe from blood loss. But blasters tend to cauterize a wound to a certain extent.



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None of the EU is required to see the Cube-sized hole in your argument. 'A military with millions, possibly billions of troops to equip must equip them with the very best equipment'? No, they will use the most economical equipment. Boba Fett, on the other hand, has staggering resources compared to a single trooper. He has, for example, even gained an ISD briefly.


I just figured a Galactic Empire capable of constructing the Death Stars(as so frequently pointed out) would consider outfitting Imperial troops with latest and best armor a minor effort on it's behalf.


I see the basic idea of 'economics' evades you still. I was hoping you would have picked up on it since your dismal failures in the past.

Tell me. When the Empire can manufacture material that can withstand being in contact with a fusion bomb when it goes off(SW2ICS), why do you assume a suit of plastic to lessen the effects of blasters is the best they can do for their troops? Now, making a suit of armor that can withstand a blaster is clearly possible, since their vehicles can soak them harmlessly(A TIE Fighter's windshield can soak an E-WEB). The difference is, is it economical for hte common soldier, and is it feasible for him to carry?

So, in closing, Robert, no, your line of reasoning is invalid. If you want to prove Boba's armor is equal to an ST's, use actual evidence.



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There were orders to take Leia alive.


Very unlikely. Nevertheless, armour can appear to be normal clothes (like that assassin's [forget the name] shell-spun sweater in Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, and it was a hit to the arm. Most people don't die when you shoot their arm, except maybe from blood loss. But blasters tend to cauterize a wound to a certain extent.


Also, from the position of the hit (top of arm, rather than side) it appeared to be a grazing shot.



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