How is it

[Smalleyjedi]

That nearly every debate in this forum degenerates into the warsies arguing SW can beat anything from star trek under any circumstances, and if you disagree you are a fucking moron or a troll, and the trekkies coming up with bullshit arguments to prove nothings which means we win........WOULD BOTH SIDES SHUT UP ALREADY. We know which of us here are die hard warsies and trekkies, and mindlessly reiterating the same aruments serves NO PURPOSE. I think most of the people here DO need to "Think outside the box" and also learn that sometimes other people are right. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a moron or a troll. This sort of debate is very intriguing (sp?) to me, but with every topic turning into a flame fest I am really being turned away. I am not going to leave, as I do enjoy the few flameless debates, and some of the flames are amusing, but i expected more when I came here. Somehow i feel that someone is going to call me a troll because of this, but please don't, this is not trolling....I am just trying to get the best experience possible out of this site.

[Mr Bean]

Your post while grammaticly correct is mearly one in a long line of streams of posts.

The simple reason why SW says ST will loose is three simple reasons
1. SW ships shields and guns outgun ST shields by Rediculus Amounts
One Heavy TurboLaser has 400times the power nessary to destry the E-D say
2. SW Shields have a huge Advantage in Speed and Sensors
3. SW acutal HAS a Army which unlike ST would not be in an Event Fight with Napoelon era troops, I'm not kidding that debate is going on right now about how a ST Ground Army such as the type seen in Inscurection would far aginst Napolean's Ground Troops and most people say Naploean has a fair chance of winning

That bascily sums up the SW possition and everything else is Smart ST debaters coming up with new tatics to try and beat the Empire

Some of them are acutal half-way good and this is why SW VS ST debates still rage on here on this board

[SCVN 2812]

I personally try to avoid the military debates and when I do I don't argue that in combat ST has any hope of beating SW without a significant numerical advantage and a damn good strategy. The only thing I object to is just ignorant statements like the Federation is just a bunch of evil commies or that every single space faring Star Trek race is inferior to the Empire or that the Empire can take the ST universe without a single loss. I see little point in trying to argue anything else, now the cheap, stupidity revealing shots at Federation society really piss me off. It's excessive, unneccessary and bullshit. What astounds me is that many Warsies are so stupid that they try to claim the Empire actually has moral superiority over the Federation.

[Darth Yoshi]

Who said that the Imps could win without any casualties?

[Mr Bean]

I think I might have at one point but thats when I said if they sent an Imperius Class to do the dirty Work
Why?
8,500 Teta-Tons of Shielding(Cause I can't remeber whats after Tetra)
over 500 HTL
A Superlaser
Oh and Gravity Well Generators just for fun


I think I was talking once about the fact you would need 100 E-Ds and thirty Five hours of constant Barraging to take down the shields
Assuming Infinte Torps though(I ended up with around thirty million of them)

[Master of Ossus]

SCVN, I grow tired of repeating this so it will be the last time.

The Federation is a communist organization. That does not necessarily make them evil, but it does tell us about their socio-political situation and ideals.

In a battle betweein Imperial forces and Federation forces, strategy would be irrelevent. It is beyond the capability of Star Fleet to develop a winning strategy or set of tactics. It is impossible to defeat a Stratofortress using a pikeman, and strategy is irrelevent. People were using pikes in Europe 400 years ago. To the Empire, Federation ships would appear to be more than sixty times as old as that pikeman would to a bomber pilot.

I do not know of a single space-faring race in the ST universe that is more powerful than the Empire. Perhaps there is one, I just don't know about it, yet.

Numbers would also be inconsequential. When it takes four thousand Federation ships to match the firepower of a single weapons emplacement from another universe, one side is going to lose, regardless. Even assuming that SF managed to organize a thousand or so ships AND THEN defeat an Imperator class Star Destroyer with them, they would still lose the war. The logistical problems with massing such an armada would leave the rest of the Federation completely unprotected, and the casualties might even be considered unacceptable.

I have never seen anyone say that the Empire could conquer the Federation without losses. If I ever saw someone post that, I would attack them. What I am willing to say is that the Empire could conquer the Federation without appreciable casualties, by Imperial standards. In a populace of quadrillions, the loss of a few hundred or even several thousand personnel is not significant.

I am also not saying that the Empire is morally superior to the Federation. What I am saying is that I would rather be an Imperial citizen than a Federation citizen, despite the moral failings and corruption. Why? Because I believe it is clear that Imperial citizens enjoy a higher quality of life than Federation citizens. I would not like the Empire because I do not like totalitarian governments, and I would much rather live in the New Republic than the Empire, but I would also rather live in the Empire than the Federation.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

That nearly every debate in this forum degenerates into the warsies arguing SW can beat anything from star trek under any circumstances, and if you disagree you are a fucking moron or a troll, and the trekkies coming up with bullshit arguments to prove nothings which means we win........WOULD BOTH SIDES SHUT UP ALREADY. We know which of us here are die hard warsies and trekkies, and mindlessly reiterating the same aruments serves NO PURPOSE. I think most of the people here DO need to "Think outside the box" and also learn that sometimes other people are right. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a moron or a troll. This sort of debate is very intriguing (sp?) to me, but with every topic turning into a flame fest I am really being turned away. I am not going to leave, as I do enjoy the few flameless debates, and some of the flames are amusing, but i expected more when I came here. Somehow i feel that someone is going to call me a troll because of this, but please don't, this is not trolling....I am just trying to get the best experience possible out of this site.

Bo ho ho.

[Wicked Pilot]

That nearly every debate in this forum degenerates into the warsies arguing SW can beat anything from star trek under any circumstances, and if you disagree you are a fucking moron or a troll, and the trekkies coming up with bullshit arguments to prove nothings which means we win........WOULD BOTH SIDES SHUT UP ALREADY. We know which of us here are die hard warsies and trekkies, and mindlessly reiterating the same aruments serves NO PURPOSE. I think most of the people here DO need to "Think outside the box" and also learn that sometimes other people are right. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a moron or a troll. This sort of debate is very intriguing (sp?) to me, but with every topic turning into a flame fest I am really being turned away. I am not going to leave, as I do enjoy the few flameless debates, and some of the flames are amusing, but i expected more when I came here. Somehow i feel that someone is going to call me a troll because of this, but please don't, this is not trolling....I am just trying to get the best experience possible out of this site.

Didn't your parents ever teach you not to get between two fighting dogs? Your bound to get bit if you do.

[Ai Phling Pu]

These guys are just amazing.

Ossus, you have yet to show any kind of evidence that shows the Federation is communist, or even that it is not, say, based on a barter system.

Thrawn, no wonder you back the Empire. Were you a sociopath before or after Star Wars? Tell your Uncle Hannibal I said hello.

[User099]

"That nearly every debate in this forum degenerates into the warsies arguing SW can beat anything from star trek under any circumstances, and if you disagree you are a fucking moron or a troll, and the trekkies coming up with bullshit arguments to prove nothings which means we win........WOULD BOTH SIDES SHUT UP ALREADY. We know which of us here are die hard warsies and trekkies, and mindlessly reiterating the same aruments serves NO PURPOSE. I think most of the people here DO need to "Think outside the box" and also learn that sometimes other people are right. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a moron or a troll. This sort of debate is very intriguing (sp?) to me, but with every topic turning into a flame fest I am really being turned away. I am not going to leave, as I do enjoy the few flameless debates, and some of the flames are amusing, but i expected more when I came here. Somehow i feel that someone is going to call me a troll because of this, but please don't, this is not trolling....I am just trying to get the best experience possible out of this site.
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Shadow Master"

YES SINCE ARGUING ABOUT THIS IS SO IRRELEVENT LETS SHUT DOWN THIS FORUM SINCE IT OBVIOUSLY IS A USELESS EXPENDATURE OF POWER. ALSO, LETS SHUT DOWN WONG'S WEBSITE BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN TRYING TO PROVE THE POINT ANYMORE. (All according to Shadow Master.)

[Howedar]

These guys are just amazing.

Ossus, you have yet to show any kind of evidence that shows the Federation is communist, or even that it is not, say, based on a barter system.

Thrawn, no wonder you back the Empire. Were you a sociopath before or after Star Wars? Tell your Uncle Hannibal I said hello.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Ess ... rxism.html

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Thrawn, no wonder you back the Empire. Were you a sociopath before or after Star Wars? Tell your Uncle Hannibal I said hello.

You're just asking to be banned.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Point me to a flamefest please.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Oh, please do, Papa Thrawn!

This board doesn't need a fecalpheliac.

[Singular Quartet]

Point me to a flamefest please.

Pick one of his threads, and you'll find one.