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Doomriser, Rob, might I remind you two that this is the "science and logic" forum, not the "bash Christians" forum.
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I'm not bashing Christians, I'm bashing the morons that think prayer alone can heal the terminally ill, or the ones that thinking praying for someone is a substitute for actually helping them in other ways like emotional support or physical aid. If someone wants to pray, then go for it. But remember that you can do other things as well.Iceberg wrote:Doomriser, Rob, might I remind you two that this is the "science and logic" forum, not the "bash Christians" forum.
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How about "Christian Scientists" have no Logic? That fits in.Iceberg wrote:Doomriser, Rob, might I remind you two that this is the "science and logic" forum, not the "bash Christians" forum.
What is the deal with Christian Scientists anyway, they don't actully believe in Science.
BTW I'm talking about the Christian Science movement, not Scientists that happen to be Christian
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Not only do they not believe in science, they don't really believe in Christ (don't believe in his Deity, let alone in the Trinity).Rob Wilson wrote:How about "Christian Scientists" have no Logic? That fits in.
What is the deal with Christian Scientists anyway, they don't actully believe in Science.
BTW I'm talking about the Christian Science movement, not Scientists that happen to be Christian
My dad once told me, "Christian Scientists are neither Christian, nor scientists." Further examination led me to the conclusion that he was dead-on right.
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Makes you wonder why they didn't just call themselves Satanic Intuitors.Iceberg wrote:Not only do they not believe in science, they don't really believe in Christ (don't believe in his Deity, let alone in the Trinity).Rob Wilson wrote:How about "Christian Scientists" have no Logic? That fits in.
What is the deal with Christian Scientists anyway, they don't actully believe in Science.
BTW I'm talking about the Christian Science movement, not Scientists that happen to be Christian
My dad once told me, "Christian Scientists are neither Christian, nor scientists." Further examination led me to the conclusion that he was dead-on right.
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Doesn't look good on a business card.Rob Wilson wrote:Makes you wonder why they didn't just call themselves Satanic Intuitors.
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Just to get back on-topic (who me, someone pick up the fainters at the back), I put "Quantum" and "Healing" into a search engine just to see what I'd get.Iceberg wrote:Doesn't look good on a business card.Rob Wilson wrote:Makes you wonder why they didn't just call themselves Satanic Intuitors.
It gave me this as the first find
http://www.quantumhealing.com/
And from their FAQ we find this
"What is Subluxation?
A vertebral (spinal) subluxation is a clinical condition affecting the relationship and alignment of spinal bones and neurological structures which impacts the overall function of the body’s natural coordinating systems. The influence of the subluxation on the body may be subtle and asymptomatic, or rather dramatic and expressive. The effects of subluxations are cumulative and global."
Anyone want to point out the flaws in tht one paragraph, not to mention what it really says?
Also we get
"How do you know the vertebral subluxation has been reduced or corrected?
The interference from vertebral subluxation is like a rock obstructing the natural flow of a mountain stream. Normally, that life force would flow from above down, and like all generated life energy, from the inside out. When there is interference to the fluid flow of life’s energy, it creates a disharmonious relationship of the physical, emotional, or mental aspects of oneself.
When the pressure of vertebral subluxation is alleviated, and proper spinal alignment restored, that life force energy is released, to resume its natural flow. You will get to know when you are subluxation free and you will experience an increase in productivity, efficiency, and ease."
Same for that one. Any takers?
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[stoopid]NO! There is no contradiction! Teh mganetic rings properly llines up the life force and the magnetic fields, the powre lines just produce storng field not properly alighned with the life force![/stoopid]Rob Wilson wrote:Yes the Healing properties of magnets, maybe we should get him and the "Magnetic fields cause cancer" crowd together and let them fight it out.Iceberg wrote:Alex Chiu is definitely a good candidate.
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WOW! I want some! I bet that ting is good for just about everything!Soulman wrote:New Scientist usually has some good nonsense in the feedback section...
"Primordial M-Water™ is a Perfect Living Water concentrate that is imbued with super coherent life supporting primordial vibration and energy as well as super coherent molecular clustering. With Primordial M-Water™ there is an integration of advanced scientific theory and profound functional health benefits that go beyond limited medical mechanisms."
Rocket fuel, immortality potion, turbolaser ammo and whatnot!
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Well the standard creationist arguments tend to take the cake.
"If every effect must have a cause, and this cannot continue to infinity, then there must be a God to fix my brainache!"
Layering assumption on further assumption, this argument is the most widely-used and irritating, in my mind.
"The fossil record does not show one species turning into another!"
The fossil record has never been even slightly complete, fossils are bloody hard to create and the varying populations of different species of varying success will inevitably yield a 'record' where 'missing links' are rare in the extreme.
"The Earth's magnetic field has been declining slowly. If it was more than 6'000 or so years old it would have been lethally intense!"
Bullshit layered upon additional bullshit, with an outright lie thrown in. The Earth's magnetic field is constantly shifting in all sorts of ways, and is widely thought to invert quite often.
"God is outside this reality and so cannot be criticised by conventional science."
Or 'I can't be arsed to justify my beliefs'. God managed to 'dip his hands in' to our universe for a bit of creationist fun, yes? If you cannot come up with any supporting evidence don't dance around making poor excuses.
"Two separate species cannot evolve from one species."
Crap. They certainly can when subjected to differing environmental conditions and niches.
-Which are my nominated few pseudoscience statements.
"If every effect must have a cause, and this cannot continue to infinity, then there must be a God to fix my brainache!"
Layering assumption on further assumption, this argument is the most widely-used and irritating, in my mind.
"The fossil record does not show one species turning into another!"
The fossil record has never been even slightly complete, fossils are bloody hard to create and the varying populations of different species of varying success will inevitably yield a 'record' where 'missing links' are rare in the extreme.
"The Earth's magnetic field has been declining slowly. If it was more than 6'000 or so years old it would have been lethally intense!"
Bullshit layered upon additional bullshit, with an outright lie thrown in. The Earth's magnetic field is constantly shifting in all sorts of ways, and is widely thought to invert quite often.
"God is outside this reality and so cannot be criticised by conventional science."
Or 'I can't be arsed to justify my beliefs'. God managed to 'dip his hands in' to our universe for a bit of creationist fun, yes? If you cannot come up with any supporting evidence don't dance around making poor excuses.
"Two separate species cannot evolve from one species."
Crap. They certainly can when subjected to differing environmental conditions and niches.
-Which are my nominated few pseudoscience statements.
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I love this argument. It's so easy to punch holes in because it violates its own premise.If every effect must have a cause, and this cannot continue to infinity, then there must be a God to fix my brainache!
Premise: Every effect must have a cause.
Conclusion: There must be an effect that did not have a cause.
This is just downright hilarious, and I can't believe people actually buy it and consider themselves educated.
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I love this argument. It's so easy to punch holes in because it violates its own premise.If every effect must have a cause, and this cannot continue to infinity, then there must be a God to fix my brainache!
Premise 1: Every effect must have a cause.
Premise 2: This chain cannot be infinite (why not?).
Conclusion: There must be an effect that did not have a cause (what about Premise 1?).
This is just downright hilarious, and I can't believe people actually buy it and consider themselves educated.
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Yeah, I pulled if from Mike's site, but oh well."Occam's Razor is a scientific principle which says that when faced with two theories, we should always choose the simplest theory. Evolution theory requires billions of years of chemical reactions, environmental effects, and genetic mutations. Creation theory simply says "God did it". Creation theory is obviously simpler, therefore Occam's Razor demands that we must select Creation theory on scientific grounds."
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That's not pseudoscience, just bad logic.Durandal wrote:I love this argument. It's so easy to punch holes in because it violates its own premise.If every effect must have a cause, and this cannot continue to infinity, then there must be a God to fix my brainache!
Premise: Every effect must have a cause.
Conclusion: There must be an effect that did not have a cause.
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Well for staggeringly huge misuse of a scientific tool, i think we have a new leader. Any more out there?BlueExcalibur wrote:Yeah, I pulled if from Mike's site, but oh well."Occam's Razor is a scientific principle which says that when faced with two theories, we should always choose the simplest theory. Evolution theory requires billions of years of chemical reactions, environmental effects, and genetic mutations. Creation theory simply says "God did it". Creation theory is obviously simpler, therefore Occam's Razor demands that we must select Creation theory on scientific grounds."
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Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick.BlueExcalibur wrote:Yeah, I pulled if from Mike's site, but oh well."Occam's Razor is a scientific principle which says that when faced with two theories, we should always choose the simplest theory. Evolution theory requires billions of years of chemical reactions, environmental effects, and genetic mutations. Creation theory simply says "God did it". Creation theory is obviously simpler, therefore Occam's Razor demands that we must select Creation theory on scientific grounds."
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Actually in a number of studies.........patients who pray regulary and are semi-religious do tend to have a better recovery rate then non praying/non-religous. I didn't beleive it when my proffessor told me so I looked it up......and it's true (Psych major here so it's kinda my job to know after all ). So there is a benefit from itRob Wilson wrote:And if he doesn't know? What if he has Terminal Cancer? Is blind? Has lost a limb? Suffering from Altsiemers? Has AIDs? Has been Paralysed the Destruction of his spinal column? Suffering from 80% coverage of burns? How exactly is the prayer going to help there, apart from assuaging the bad feelings of the one giving the prayer.Doomriser wrote:If a patient in a hospital actually believes that prayer will help him, then people praying will help alleiviate his condition. While prayer itself does not help, if a patient feels happier, loved, cared-for, more confident, and relaxed, than his condition should improve or at least he would feel better.
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hahaha...I love it when an argument begins with that phrase!Anonymous wrote:Actually in a number of studies.........
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