Comparison of T-X & T-1000

[Ghost Rider]

Acording to the novel, Skynet is in the process of replacing the terminator series with the T-X.

What Terminator series? T-800/850?

The T-800...possibly the 850.

The novelization states basically Skynet decommisioned every endo-skeleton and was in the process of making T-1000's and T-X's presumably.

[Stravo]

Acording to the novel, Skynet is in the process of replacing the terminator series with the T-X.

What Terminator series? T-800/850?

The T-800...possibly the 850.

The novelization states basically Skynet decommisioned every endo-skeleton and was in the process of making T-1000's and T-X's presumably.

What's the point of decomissioning the endo skeletons? Why not simply let combat attrit the units you do have and stop building them. Seems like a foolish choice and waste of resource. It will take time for the TX's and T-1000's o be built up to T-800 series numbers so by scrapping them all you're creating a gap in numbers just when the resistance is making its big push.

[Darth_Shinji]

I think Skynet was also getting rid of 1000s too, but I don't have my copy.

And Stravo, the novel gave the impresion that Skynet was showing off his power by simply discarding his older models. The resistancce nearly crapped thier pants when they saw the grave yard.

[Illuminatus Primus]

And Stravo, the novel gave the impresion that Skynet was showing off his power by simply discarding his older models. The resistancce nearly crapped thier pants when they saw the grave yard.

That doesn't sound like the efficency and practicality of a machine. Rather the stupid arrogance of a moronic "bad guy" cliched fictional character.

[Shroom Man 777]

I think Skynet was also getting rid of 1000s too, but I don't have my copy.

And Stravo, the novel gave the impresion that Skynet was showing off his power by simply discarding his older models. The resistancce nearly crapped thier pants when they saw the grave yard.

What graveyard?

[NecronLord]

I think Skynet was also getting rid of 1000s too, but I don't have my copy.

And Stravo, the novel gave the impresion that Skynet was showing off his power by simply discarding his older models. The resistancce nearly crapped thier pants when they saw the grave yard.

What graveyard?

A valley full of tens of thousands of T-800s

It's not all that likely that it is a graveyard, but more of a storage area for production overcapacity. Chances are they could all be reactivated.

[Shroom Man 777]

A valley full of tens of thousands of T-800s

It's not all that likely that it is a graveyard, but more of a storage area for production overcapacity. Chances are they could all be reactivated.

Oh come on! T-800s are cool, very effective, cheap for the new Skynet. Its unreasonable to decommission such an effective machine just because a more effective super expensive new machine is being fielded.

Or maybe the Resistence can comandeer the T-800s, now that'd be cool!

The success of the T-800s against the new versions Skynet sent through time should be something Skynet (and the Resistence) should consider. Sure it was a fluke, but it proves that the T-800s are still very effective.

If they could just refit the T-800s with new and advanced equipments then they'd still be able to compete with the T-Xs.

But I guess it was inevitable that the T-800s would grow old.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Who do you thinkis more advanced, as in difficult to produce for SkyNet: the T-X or the T-1000?

Again, having not seen the movie (I know, I know, shouldn't talk about 'till I see it but...) I would think the T-1000. While theT-X too uses mimetic polyalloy, it has a solid (so to speak) central core within its endoskeleton. A T-1000 posses no such solid place, and can be blown into a thousand pieces and still reform; I assume the same cannot be said for a T-X. How could this be possible unless each tiny bit of the T-1000 has enough computing power to know how to form up with he other bits?

Not speaking on behalf of their abilities as far as combat is concenred, merely of who has the more advanced system.

[Shroom Man 777]

Who do you thinkis more advanced, as in difficult to produce for SkyNet: the T-X or the T-1000?

Again, having not seen the movie (I know, I know, shouldn't talk about 'till I see it but...) I would think the T-1000. While theT-X too uses mimetic polyalloy, it has a solid (so to speak) central core within its endoskeleton. A T-1000 posses no such solid place, and can be blown into a thousand pieces and still reform; I assume the same cannot be said for a T-X. How could this be possible unless each tiny bit of the T-1000 has enough computing power to know how to form up with he other bits?

Not speaking on behalf of their abilities as far as combat is concenred, merely of who has the more advanced system.

I was pondering on the same question as well.

It seems like the T-1000 is more advance, but its high-technology is no match for the T-X since the T-X sports firearms, more equipment (DNA testing, internet connection, ability to corrupt computers).

The T-1000 is more advanced, but its advanced stuff can't do stuff what the T-X can.

[Omega-13]

The t-1000 seems to be designed for extreme infiltration
(ie ozzing under doors) and things like that, walking through steel bars
etc.

it doesn't want to get detected,

designed to get as close to john connor as possible and kill him
(future war)

[Darth Wong]

Again, having not seen the movie (I know, I know, shouldn't talk about 'till I see it but...) I would think the T-1000. While theT-X too uses mimetic polyalloy, it has a solid (so to speak) central core within its endoskeleton. A T-1000 posses no such solid place, and can be blown into a thousand pieces and still reform; I assume the same cannot be said for a T-X. How could this be possible unless each tiny bit of the T-1000 has enough computing power to know how to form up with he other bits?

It requires very little computing power for two blobs of material to move toward one another. In fact, if T-1000 had serious computing power in all of its little bits (the kind of power some fanboys are claiming, ie- each piece has all of the data of the whole), it could have formed two of itself in combat. I don't recall seeing this.

Not speaking on behalf of their abilities as far as combat is concenred, merely of who has the more advanced system.

How does one determine advancement without evaluating capabilities?

[Howedar]

Difference of mission. A T-X is probably a grunt trooper, from the amount of punishment it can take and dish out. A T-1000 is a pure assassin.

Yet the T-X can do nearly everything the T-1000 can do. It merely needs to mantain a roughly human shape.

Can she hide in the floor?

Is that mantaining a roughly human shape?

Did you even read my post?

[SirNitram]

Again, having not seen the movie (I know, I know, shouldn't talk about 'till I see it but...) I would think the T-1000. While theT-X too uses mimetic polyalloy, it has a solid (so to speak) central core within its endoskeleton. A T-1000 posses no such solid place, and can be blown into a thousand pieces and still reform; I assume the same cannot be said for a T-X. How could this be possible unless each tiny bit of the T-1000 has enough computing power to know how to form up with he other bits?

It requires very little computing power for two blobs of material to move toward one another. In fact, if T-1000 had serious computing power in all of its little bits (the kind of power some fanboys are claiming, ie- each piece has all of the data of the whole), it could have formed two of itself in combat. I don't recall seeing this.

Would we have wanted to see two half-sized T-1000's going at Arnie's kneecaps?

Not speaking on behalf of their abilities as far as combat is concenred, merely of who has the more advanced system.

How does one determine advancement without evaluating capabilities?

I think he wants which is harder to build...

[Darth Wong]

Would we have wanted to see two half-sized T-1000's going at Arnie's kneecaps?

It worked for the Sorceror's Apprentice

I think he wants which is harder to build...

Oh, well that question is pretty easy then, since I'm told T-X incorporates the liquid-metal used by T-1000. Therefore, you need the T-1000's liquid-metal technology in order to build T-X, but you don't need the technology of T-X in order to build T-1000.

[Omega-13]

It requires very little computing power for two blobs of material to move toward one another. In fact, if T-1000 had serious computing power in all of its little bits (the kind of power some fanboys are claiming, ie- each piece has all of the data of the whole), it could have formed two of itself in combat. I don't recall seeing this.

I am a big fan of the t-1000, one of my favourite villians, ,but I do not believe this. I do believe that each molecule of its being has the ability to find others, and form up to make the entire t-1000. (which we saw)

[Omega-13]

Would we have wanted to see two half-sized T-1000's going at Arnie's kneecaps?

It worked for the Sorceror's Apprentice

I think he wants which is harder to build...

Oh, well that question is pretty easy then, since I'm told T-X incorporates the liquid-metal used by T-1000. Therefore, you need the T-1000's liquid-metal technology in order to build T-X, but you don't need the technology of T-X in order to build T-1000.

While that is quite true, mass producing the chasis of the T-X might be easier than programming the molecules of the polymimetic alloy.

I have no idea, but it is 'weirder' science, so may aswell mention it

[Utsanomiko]

Would we have wanted to see two half-sized T-1000's going at Arnie's kneecaps?

It worked for the Sorceror's Apprentice

I am getting images *waaaaay* too reminiscient of Army of Darkness

*T-800 pours molten metal down his throat, burning recently-swallowed mini T-1000*

That'd be about as stupid as it sounds, I think. I'm pretty sure even the notes in the Ultimate Edition of the DVD point out the processing ability of its nano processors is severly limited when in small polyalloy 'blobs' separated from the whole. Notice how after shattering the T-1000 is a shapeless puddle untill most if it has met in the middle and only then start to take a shape (albiet a glitch-prone one).

Speaking of which, the major reason I prefer the Special Edition is of the glitch scenes. The T-1000 was kinda dull as a villian when shattering it didn't serriously screw up its abilities.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I am getting images *waaaaay* too reminiscient of Army of Darkness

*T-800 pours molten metal down his throat, burning recently-swallowed

Ahnuld: How about... some hot choc-o-late?

[Typhonis 1]

hmmm could the 800s have been waiting to get a liquid metal skin? Thats what Skynet should have done simply replace the organic skin with Liquid metal and keep the T-xs as shock troops

[JodoForce]

The T-800s would have to be refitted with ways to control the liquid metal though

[Shroom Man 777]

The T-800s would have to be refitted with ways to control the liquid metal though

And add an in-built phased plasma blaster

THAT'D ROCK!!!!

Or since the T-800s have lots of empty space, look at their stomach, they'd have more liquid metal than the T-X! IMAGINE A T-800 WITH A SWORD-HAND!!!

[JodoForce]

Yeah great... yeat whatever ...

[aerius]

However, the T-X would not be able to regenerate from being frozen. If liquid nitrogen got her, she would freeze, tip over and shatter.

Bzzzt! Dumbass, you're wrong. I don't know what they teach you in school these days, but most metals don't become brittle as glass when you freeze them in liquid nitrogen. They'll lose a bit of toughness when frozen to those temperatures, but not nearly enough to shatter. I've dipped a metal fork into a vat of liquid nitrogen in a Physics lab class, and it survived being whacked against a lab table and dropped on a tile floor just fine. Back to school for you!

[Omega-13]

However, the T-X would not be able to regenerate from being frozen. If liquid nitrogen got her, she would freeze, tip over and shatter.

Bzzzt! Dumbass, you're wrong. I don't know what they teach you in school these days, but most metals don't become brittle as glass when you freeze them in liquid nitrogen. They'll lose a bit of toughness when frozen to those temperatures, but not nearly enough to shatter. I've dipped a metal fork into a vat of liquid nitrogen in a Physics lab class, and it survived being whacked against a lab table and dropped on a tile floor just fine. Back to school for you!

You ride so high I'm surprised you can even see us
How long was the fork in the liquid nitrogen? What temperature was the work when you were banging it around?

[aerius]

You ride so high I'm surprised you can even see us
How long was the fork in the liquid nitrogen? What temperature was the work when you were banging it around?

And you're an ignorant fuck who doesn't know a damn thing about the properties of materials and is trying to bullshit his way out of it. The fork which had a grape stuck on it was in the LN2 bath for over half a minute. It was in thermal equilibrium with the LN2, as no boil off had taken place for at least 10-15 seconds, meaning it was at about 77°K. This was when I started bashing it around, which shattered the grape, and after more bashing and dropping the fork on the floor it was still in one piece. I also dropped the fork in the LN2 bath by itself and then tried to break it by banging it off the steel lab table supports, all I managed to do was bend the fork.