Captain Marvel VS. the Incredible Hulk

[Stravo]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

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[David Deas]

I'll vote for the Incredible Hulk on this one, actually.


Captain Marvel is substantially faster, and can fly.

But thats where his advantages stop, with the Incredible Hulk holding just about every other single concievable advantage.



Strength;

Captain Marvel is around Superman level (Captain Marvel and Superman stalemated each other in a strength contest lasting for about 6 hours before they got tired). Superman's strength level clearly breaks off at *under* the plant shoving level.

The Incredible Hulk, OTOH, finds planet shoving power rather trivial, actually (as do most characters inside his tier in the MU). TTA #89, the Incredible Hulk wades through a blast strong enough to kock a planet out of orbit while resisting the mental command to remain motionless. IH #305, the Hulk wades through a blast that could fling planets away like a spitball on a plastic spoon. And of course, a,mong other things, the Hulk has also shattered something supported with the energy of countless stars and planets (Even the Grey Hulk [while calm] smashed an asteroid twice the size of the Earth in one punch -- Which would require a substantially greater amount of power than it would to simply move the giant space rock. Far more, AAMOF).

Advantage in strength easily goes to the Incredible Hulk, who is the strongest one there is!!



Durability;

This is usually a relection of strength. Only in special cases do you have characters like Wonder Woman, who's durability ii well documented to be lower than her actualy muscle power.

Add in the Hulk's healing factor and he's near impossible for Captain Marvel to stop. The Hulk has come back from ashes, resisted reality warps, and regenerated from bones, and done all types of crazy stuff. During combat, and wounds he recieves are usually immediatly healed within a couple of seconds, just like the Juggernaut.

The advantage of durability goes to the Incredible Hulk.



Speed;

Though the Hulk is certainly no slouch when it comes to speed (makes a career out of tagging speedsters, with reflexes that are multiple times mach), he's no match for Captain Marvel, who has the speed of Mercury. Even though Captain Marvel, to my knowledge, has never been seen using his super speed tactically in combat (as in, like, a super speed flurry of punches or something), I'll give him the benifit of the doubt anyways. (even though it could easily be argued that Mercury was but a messanger traveling from point A to point B, never really showcasing any actual speed abilities, and or applications outside of just that himself; thus, that would be all Captain Marvel is capable of as well.)




.........Anyways (since I'm gettig tired), Captain Marvel's best shot is using his speed to hit the Hulk without being hit hismelf, obviously. Duh!!

Of course, the Hulk is eventually going to get tired of the old hit and run tactics and simply Thunder Clap, which he has used with force enough split a entire cosmos before, with the Hulk stating afterwards that he did not know his own strength. At very least, a Thunder Clap would stun and disorient Captain Marvel (as it did Hyperion -- a Gladiator level being, much stronger than Superman), allowing for the usual follow up attack (assuming the victim somehow isn't already knocked out), which spells the begining of the end for Captain Marvel.

Just picture the Hulk as his DC rip off counterpart, Doomsday -- Only stronger.

[Ghost Rider]

I'll vote for the Incredible Hulk on this one, actually.


Captain Marvel is substantially faster, and can fly.

But thats where his advantages stop, with the Incredible Hulk holding just about every other single concievable advantage.

Yeah Hulk has less strength(unless angered), less Speed, no mobility, and less endurance and no where near the strategy....

Yeah Batson blows.

Strength;

Captain Marvel is around Superman level (Captain Marvel and Superman stalemated each other in a strength contest lasting for about 6 hours before they got tired). Superman's strength level clearly breaks off at *under* the plant shoving level.

The Incredible Hulk, OTOH, finds planet shoving power rather trivial, actually (as do most characters inside his tier in the MU). TTA #89, the Incredible Hulk wades through a blast strong enough to kock a planet out of orbit while resisting the mental command to remain motionless. IH #305, the Hulk wades through a blast that could fling planets away like a spitball on a plastic spoon. And of course, a,mong other things, the Hulk has also shattered something supported with the energy of countless stars and planets (Even the Grey Hulk [while calm] smashed an asteroid twice the size of the Earth in one punch -- Which would require a substantially greater amount of power than it would to simply move the giant space rock. Far more, AAMOF).



Advantage in strength easily goes to the Incredible Hulk, who is the strongest one there is!!

Bullshit fanboy logic

You use he's done these thing of moving planets and asteroid as if this is Hulk regular plus given that Hulk #305 you use that "It flings planets about like spitballs." but give no who's doing it nor if it's that powerful...explain adamatnium cutting through Hulk's skin.

Also this would put Thanos, Abomination, Apoc, hell Thor on level of planet killing by sneezing.

None of them...all of whom HAVE BEATEN HULK have even come close to this.

And the asteroid of earth's size...when?

Hulk has done impressive deeds...but Maestro had never at any point was even this close, nor was Hulk in Inifinty Gauntlet, nor the most recent fight against Abomination.

You're using Upper limits at extraordinary times and regarding them as if this is lower limit level...when the books themselves have shown not so.

Durability;

This is usually a relection of strength. Only in special cases do you have characters like Wonder Woman, who's durability ii well documented to be lower than her actualy muscle power.

Add in the Hulk's healing factor and he's near impossible for Captain Marvel to stop. The Hulk has come back from ashes, resisted reality warps, and regenerated from bones, and done all types of crazy stuff. During combat, and wounds he recieves are usually immediatly healed within a couple of seconds, just like the Juggernaut.

The advantage of durability goes to the Incredible Hulk.

Another bullshit thought.

Captain Marvel can resist a vacuum with no external aid...Hulk needs to breathe and have commented this multiple times. Yeah One can take in the vacuum of space, one can't.

You keep applying Hulk being Godlike and presume Captain Marvel is flying wuss.

Marvel has survived re-entry and has at points survived MT blast, and even in Kingdom Come dies only under a blast of 100MT.

Maestro was killed by gamma bomb which is barely teen KT level

Yeah Marvel loses again

Speed;

Though the Hulk is certainly no slouch when it comes to speed (makes a career out of tagging speedsters, with reflexes that are multiple times mach), he's no match for Captain Marvel, who has the speed of Mercury. Even though Captain Marvel, to my knowledge, has never been seen using his super speed tactically in combat (as in, like, a super speed flurry of punches or something), I'll give him the benifit of the doubt anyways. (even though it could easily be argued that Mercury was but a messanger traveling from point A to point B, never really showcasing any actual speed abilities, and or applications outside of just that himself; thus, that would be all Captain Marvel is capable of as well.)

Bullshit...Marvel use Superspeed every time he engages anyone of higher then Bats...has caught bullets effortlessly and does it every Superman contest.

Are you going to stop jacking off on the Hulk and make something relevant.

.........Anyways (since I'm gettig tired), Captain Marvel's best shot is using his speed to hit the Hulk without being hit hismelf, obviously. Duh!!

Of course, the Hulk is eventually going to get tired of the old hit and run tactics and simply Thunder Clap, which he has used with force enough split a entire cosmos before, with the Hulk stating afterwards that he did not know his own strength. At very least, a Thunder Clap would stun and disorient Captain Marvel (as it did Hyperion -- a Gladiator level being, much stronger than Superman), allowing for the usual follow up attack (assuming the victim somehow isn't already knocked out), which spells the begining of the end for Captain Marvel.

Just picture the Hulk as his DC rip off counterpart, Doomsday -- Only stronger.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thunder Clap a man who can resist vacuum level and oh yes...and Hyperion was equal to John Byrne Superman...not current(Plus as a good rated look at Black adam who is more then capable of creating a thunder clap enough to shatter half of New York...yeah)

You literally are wanking off Hulk with his whole "Hulk Smash mentality" disregarding that he has shown. Hulk ahas also NEVER shown Doomsaday level, thus the analogy is extremly poor.

He doesn't have flight.

Strength is slightly up there but has never reached cosmic level(Thanos hands Hulk's Ass easily)...Batson compete with Superman on raw feats of strength...meaning he can with with his speed destroy a smal moon in under 15 seconds.

He has nowhere near the tatical(unless the very fact that Batson can access at will 5000 years of strategy, JSA #35)

He doesn't even have appreciable speed, given he goes at around Mach 500+(JSA #22)

So something that moves that fast, has higher strength and better speed...is going to lose to the Hulk because you want to use every Super upper end, and disregard Batson because he's shown that and more, but doesn't go "Marvel Smash!"

Try next time read the books next time and not jack off to the Jolly Green Giant.

[Stravo]

Ghostrider, I was half way through a response when I read yours. You even used my jerking off theme that i was going to use. Thank you for saving me some time and space. Its fanboys like these that give comicbook fans a bad name.

[Superman]

Drunkard Kid, are you fucking serious about thinking Hulk is stronger than any DC strongman? You think Hulk is stronger than Doomsday? How about Darkseid? Superman? Martian Manhunter? You've got to be joking.

Again, look at the facts. Supes has kicked the Hulk's ass not once, not twice but THREE times. Ok, one of those fights was because of fanboy voting, but the other two were not. Superman is out of the Hulk's league. PERIOD. Now, Captain Marvel has stopped Superman before.

David Deas, at least be honest. Just say something like, "I LIKE the Hulk more, but Shazam would win."

At least Ghost Rider can look at this stuff objectively. He's told me that he likes the characters in Marvel Comics more than DC, but he doesn't pretend that, just because he likes Marvel characters better, they are always going to win.

Jeez...

[Ghost Rider]

Anytime, and I completely agree.

Fanboys like this always tick me off, because they think their hero is the second coming...and never try to even think that they are blowing it out their ear.

[Stravo]

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[DPDarkPrimus]

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[Ghost Rider]

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[The Drunkard Kid]

Drunkard Kid, are you fucking serious about thinking Hulk is stronger than any DC strongman?

Considering some of the horrible crap they've had Hulk pull out of his... hat... yeah, it's likely that an insane with rage enough Hulk will one day snap his fingers so powerfully that not only will the MU suddenly blow up, but so will the DCU, the Imageverse and all of the Anime/Manga universes, and half of North Dakota here in the real world.

As for Thanos, IIRC, around his first appearnce the shockwaves from his and Drax's punches caused the entire planet they were fighting on to shatter, and he constantly and casually takes Silver Surfer's (A guy who can shatter a planet with the slightest effort, considering he did just that during the Korvac saga) best blasts without even flinching. If he *does* take out a planet by sneezing, I wouldn't bat an eyelash since it seems to be consistent with his character.

[Ghost Rider]

Anger related.

Hulk under normal influnces is actually short of Drax and Surfer...he's almost barely on Thor/Juggernaut level.

Hulk is strong but has never unequivocally demonstrated Superman's raw level.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Anger related.

Hulk under normal influnces is actually short of Drax and Surfer...he's almost barely on Thor/Juggernaut level.

Hulk is strong but has never unequivocally demonstrated Superman's raw level.

Agreed. My listing of feats was in response to the statement that, since Marvel's class lists max out at 100 tons (which I generally interpret as meaning being able to lift 100 or more tons), the DCU's strongmen are instantaneously stronger than MU's, since they go a few more decimal places over. Heck, even with that cap, many MU bricks, calm Hulk included, casually lift things that are significantly greater than their classes suggest. Thing, a class 80, has lifted and swung an entire spaceship with casual ease, IIRC, while a pissed off Hulk has held a few billion tons of stone up for awhile.

Comics, while fun to read, tend to have the occassionaly showing that is very inconsistent with their regular showings, due to the changing writers and their different views of the characters. I generally place a calm Hulk as slightly greater than the Thing and a little bit below a non-amped Thor in terms of strength, while an angry Hulk rises above that league and may eventually become infinite, despite the neurochemical and psychological impossibility of that statement.

Current Juggernaut and Current Darkseid, OTOH, are nowhere near as impressive as they used to be... According to Black Tom, Juggernaut is a lot weaker than he was before, though no mention of why this is so has yet been mentioned, AFAIK. He hasn't displayed any of the strength he used to have (ie: Punching through dimensional barriers in order to cross universes) and he nearly *drowned*, despite the fact that one of his preferred methods of crossing continents was by running across the ocean floor...

And Darkseid, who was supposed to be the same guy that was present in the Pre-Crisis DCU, the same guy who pimp-slapped PC Clark and Kara with casual ease while in an incredibly weakened state, , the guy who put PC Mon-El into a coma, the guy who's Omega Effect caused the Linear Men to be in fear of the damage it does to the fabric of reality, was *beaten into the ground* by a trash talking Superman in "Apokalips Now!". Not only did Post Crisis Superman do more damage to the lord of Apokalips, his heat vision (described as being the non-metabolized solar energy inside his body) managed to deflect the Omega Effect (homing beams that cross dimensions and can retroactively erase beings from existence). He was beaten blind, humiliated, insulted, and made to beg for mercy. Bleh.

[Ghost Rider]

I understand.

Iron Man is actually the finest example...who has shown to juggle tanks but in his last run was afraid of a burning building(the same man who has an outfit that can take Magma)

Seriously some writers underpower...and those I tend to take what I can because at some points can show finer points in power, but honestly Superman has gone to Uber levels(Heat vision on PAR with Omega beams...same Omega beams that can destroy a being from existence/the SOURCE)

So it ups and downs...but I do grab what I can and some show much better examples then others.

[Jason von Evil]

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[The Drunkard Kid]

I just realized something: If Cap Marvel starts out the fight by turning back to Billy Bastion, he's got the match in the bag. Hulk can't bring himself to hurt some kid that doesn't seem to be a metahuman out to capture/kill him, and if Billy plays his cards right he can calm the Jade Giant back into Banner. At that point, all he has to do is wait for the scientest to turn his back on him, then transform and KO him with a light tap.

[thecreech]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

Just to let you know hulk has had his neck broken before. It was by good ol' Juggernuat. He beat hulk into the ground and decided kill him by breaking his neck. When Juggs snapped it Hulk instantly regenerated, ripped off juggs helmet and threw him into a mountian.

[Stravo]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

Just to let you know hulk has had his neck broken before. It was by good ol' Juggernuat. He beat hulk into the ground and decided kill him by breaking his neck. When Juggs snapped it Hulk instantly regenerated, ripped off juggs helmet and threw him into a mountian.

Yet in the comics with Maestro , he says that it takes them the longest to heal from a broken neck? C'mon, they need to get their act in gear in regards to what exactly they can or can't do. One issue they say this is it, a few issues down the road he can suddenly surpass this limit? UGH.

[Ghost Rider]

Maestro gave a variance of 2-3 monthes.

Also if this it the one I remember...Hulk was juiced by Apocaplypse, thus an extreme high end, and in fact external help.

Hulk is cool in regen but Peter David keeps a consistency about his fave character.

[David Deas]

Yeah Hulk has less strength(unless angered), less Speed, no mobility, and less endurance and no where near the strategy....

Why do you say Billy is undoubtly stronger. And has more endurance?

The Grey Hulk, while calm, shattered an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with *one* punch in MCP #52.

I've never seen Billy do anything *remotely* close to that.

You use he's done these thing of moving planets and asteroid as if this is Hulk regular plus given that Hulk #305 you use that "It flings planets about like spitballs." but give no who's doing it nor if it's that powerful...explain adamatnium cutting through Hulk's skin.

Retype that so someone can read it. Please and thank you.

The only thing I could make out of that was the adamantium cutting the Hulk, which I presumed you to be referencing the Hulk's encounters with Wolverine -- Wolverine has both failed and succeeded at cutting the Hulk's hide. Which is nothing to gawk at, actually. Wolverine has even cut adamantium with his claws, in the form of a robot named Shiva.

Also this would put Thanos, Abomination, Apoc, hell Thor on level of planet killing by sneezing.

Apocalypse is out of the running. Thor has both shattered planets, and knocked the Abomination out in one punch.

Just the fury of Thanos' and Drax' fists clashing destroyed the planet they were fighting on. And of course, that was two powerups ago for Thanos, and one powerup ago for Drax.

Even the Silver Surfer finds atomizing entire planets rather trivial, AAMOF.

You're using Upper limits at extraordinary times and regarding them as if this is lower limit level...when the books themselves have shown not so.

So you say.

You keep applying Hulk being Godlike and presume Captain Marvel is flying wuss.

I didn't mean to make the winner so obvious.

Marvel has survived re-entry and has at points survived MT blast, and even in Kingdom Come dies only under a blast of 100MT.

*Slightly* impressive. I suppose.

Maestro was killed by gamma bomb which is barely teen KT level

Are you refering to #440? Where the Hulk, masquerading as the Maestro, fakes his death?

Bullshit...Marvel use Superspeed every time he engages anyone of higher then Bats

What instances are you refering to?

has caught bullets effortlessly

So has the Hulk, on numerous occasions. Even once in his teeth.

Not *remotely* impressive.

........Even the Captain America class of street fighters in Marvel can do that.

and does it every Superman contest.

Give me an example, please.

I've never seen Billy do what you ask of him. Captain Marvel is actually a lot like Wonder Woman in this regard.

Thunder Clap a man who can resist vacuum level and oh yes...and Hyperion was equal to John Byrne Superman...not current(Plus as a good rated look at Black adam who is more then capable of creating a thunder clap enough to shatter half of New York...yeah)

Hyperion is easily much stronger than Bryne Superman. Hyperion was shown to be equal to Gladiator when they fought, who is much stronger than Superman.

Hyperion and Wonder Man once fought. Thier blows were shaking the entire planet they were fighting on before Hyperion knocked Wonderman all the way through the planet and out of the other side, then kncoked Wonder Man into the Sun so hard it caused the surface of the Sun to flare out violently -- Killing Wonder Man.

The Thunder Clap would work just fine.


(BTW. Where did Billy shatter half of New York with a Thunder Clap?)

You literally are wanking off Hulk with his whole "Hulk Smash mentality" disregarding that he has shown. Hulk ahas also NEVER shown Doomsaday level, thus the analogy is extremly poor.

Its the opposite, actually.

Doomsday's whole entire claim to fame is being stronger than Superman, and slapping around Darkseid. Doomsday actually has zero demonstrations of strength that compare with the Incredible Hulk.

Strength is slightly up there but has never reached cosmic level(Thanos hands Hulk's Ass easily)...Batson compete with Superman on raw feats of strength...meaning he can with with his speed destroy a smal moon in under 15 seconds.

The Hulk smashed a rock that was reinforced with the energy of countless stars and planets. The Hulk smashed a machine built to clash with the Celestials. The Hulk has split an entire cosmos with a Thunder Clap.


(BTW, where are you getting the whole, Captain Marvel = Destroy a small moon, deal from?)

So something that moves that fast, has higher strength and better speed...is going to lose to the Hulk because you want to use every Super upper end, and disregard Batson because he's shown that and more, but doesn't go "Marvel Smash!"

Billy would lose the the Hulk because the Hulk is stronger and more durable than he is -- Plus he has a reliable way of catching Billy.

[thecreech]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

Just to let you know hulk has had his neck broken before. It was by good ol' Juggernuat. He beat hulk into the ground and decided kill him by breaking his neck. When Juggs snapped it Hulk instantly regenerated, ripped off juggs helmet and threw him into a mountian.

Yet in the comics with Maestro , he says that it takes them the longest to heal from a broken neck? C'mon, they need to get their act in gear in regards to what exactly they can or can't do. One issue they say this is it, a few issues down the road he can suddenly surpass this limit? UGH.

Hey i agree with you, i was just letting you know about the broken neck thing. That's why really don't read comics anymore. They can never get the hero's powers right. Now i just buy comics that have great art, i really don't care about the stories. Quite sad really

[Stravo]

Sorry if you thought I was jumping down your throat theHeap, its just that when I see what has become of comics it really gets me because I dedciated years of my life collecting these things only to see fanboyish trends and just piss poor writing drive them into the shit that they are now.

[thecreech]

Maestro gave a variance of 2-3 monthes.

Also if this it the one I remember...Hulk was juiced by Apocaplypse, thus an extreme high end, and in fact external help.

Hulk is cool in regen but Peter David keeps a consistency about his fave character.

Oh no... this was a much older comic, before apocaplypse got to hulk. I will try and find a link for you

[Ghost Rider]

Maestro gave a variance of 2-3 monthes.

Also if this it the one I remember...Hulk was juiced by Apocaplypse, thus an extreme high end, and in fact external help.

Hulk is cool in regen but Peter David keeps a consistency about his fave character.

Oh no... this was a much older comic, before apocaplypse got to hulk. I will try and find a link for you

cool...usually...I read very few, and less for art. Some stories are good, just hard to find

[thecreech]

Sorry if you thought I was jumping down your throat theHeap, its just that when I see what has become of comics it really gets me because I dedciated years of my life collecting these things only to see fanboyish trends and just piss poor writing drive them into the shit that they are now.

Nah don't worry about it. I knew you weren't angry with me. Again i agree with you. It sucks when you have comics has a hobby because, in this case there really isn't much you can do about the problem

[Ghost Rider]

Okay wanker boy.

You presented and enourmous upper limit, did nothing to vouch for any lower and thought because of this Billy is weaker.

Okay now to dissection punk.

1. Hulk Example...still you use this as you primary example of his power instead of even thinking this is his ABSOLUTE limit...I mean we don't see Thanos punch planets out of orbit but he's destroyed Hulk on occasions...EASILY.

2. And looky no proof of Thos EASILY shattering planets, no Apoc is out of running(but beaten Hulk)...my god, you keep using this blanatnt red herring, and not provide a single fucking example...damn jerkoff, care to actually provide some examples instead of as a matter of Fact(you do know what fact means right?)

3. Ah And looky you go off on wanking and anything that shatters your precious Hulk destroy gods is obviously not proof. Learn to read and not stare at pictures can help.

4. Winner is obvious...one is stronger, faster, and smarter...I wonder.

5. Hulk has been killed by 15-20 Kt explosive(Maestro...a SUPERIOR HULK...and no not masquerading...dying/atomizing in Future Imperfect), Batson survies mutli MT, and was killed when he intercepted a 100+MT bomb. You have yet to even dispute this one.

6. Let's see Superman in JLA#19, in Vice and Virtue, In Starman, in his own book...you want me to ram it more down your feeble little brain?

7. Hulk has never caught a single bullet...And you saying Cap can is blatant LIE.

8. Umm...bedsides the creator words. okay and you rating it higher then Byrne...what just arbitray subjective thought, disregarding the powers are virtually the same.

9. Haven't seen Hulk kick Superman's ass...you want to keep batting?

10. Let's see...you provide just arbitray examples...yet Hulk facing off said being get's whupped, and in IG get's soundly beaten. Oh yes...Superman does this in second(his SO...and Batson is on par with Superman)

And you end it to subjective wanking.

So after a few red herring, some nice strawmen,and a couple outright lies, you want to step up again?