Captain Marvel VS. the Incredible Hulk

[Superman]

Ok, another match up. Billy Batson (Captain Marvel, "Shazam") versus the Hulk in a fight to the death. Who takes it?

[DPDarkPrimus]

Can we get some stats and powers list for both of them? They have changed over the years...

[Superman]

Well, this should give you an idea of the two but the stats are tailored for the Marvel RPG... I'll try to find something better.

Captain Marvel William "Billy" Batson

Fighting: Monstrous
Agility: Amazing
Strength: Unearthly
Endurance: Unearthly
Reason: Good
Intuition: Remarkable
Psyche: Remarkable

Health: 375
Karma: 70
Resources: Good
Popularity: 50

Known Powers:
William Batson's human body has been super-charged with the magical energy of the Godwave. This grants him the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules, the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus, the courage of Achilles and the speed of Mercury, which also enables flight. S.H.A.Z.A.M. These powers are described below:
Cosmic Awareness: Captain Marvel possesses an Excellent understanding of the divine interactions with the mortal world. He is acting as an emmisary for humanity against entities from magical realms whom are friendly, and a guardian against those who are not.
Total Memory: This represents Captain Marvel's Wisdom of Solomon. With it, he can Recall knowledge and facts that he normally should not and/or would not know with Monstrous ability.
Dimension Travel: This can only be used to travel to the Rock of Eternity at Remarkable rank. The Rock of Eternity is a nexus of power in a nearby realm of existance that channels power to anyone utilizing the power of the wizard Shazam. As to whether he can travel to other dimensions or locations using the Rock is currently unknown.
True Flight: Captain Marvel is able to defy gravity and fly at Unearthly airspeeds.
Hyper Speed: He has the ability to sharpen his awareness and increase his temporal flow at Amazing rank, appearing to move faster than humanly possible.
Self-Sustenance: Captain Marvel is sustained by the magical energies coursing through his body. He does not require air, food or water.
Resist Disease and Toxins: Marvel is highly resistant to the effects of toxins and disease to the point where he is uneffected by anything less than Unearthly intensity.
Body Resistance: When transformed Captain Marvel possesses Monstrous protection from physical and Energy attacks.
Alter Ego: By speaking the magic word, "Shazam," he summons a magical bolt of lightning that supercharges and transforms him. Since the bolt strikes wherever he is standing when he says the word, anyone at ground zero is damaged by Incredible lightning. Billy and Captain Marvel are Immune to any damage from this lightning.
Billy Batson
Radio personality

Fighting: Typical
Agility: Typical
Strength: Poor
Endurance: Good
Reason: Good
Intuition: Good
Psyche: Remarkable

Health: 26
Karma: 50
Resources: Good
Popularity: 10

The Marvel Family:
Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel have similar but reduced power levels (-2CS on all powers and physical abilities)

Limitations:
Lightning attacks that cause Shift-X damage in a single round cause Captain Marvel to revert back to Billy Batson.
When a member of the "Marvel Family" activates their powers, Cap loses 1CS from his Physical Attributes, Flight, Body Resistance and Hyperspeed Powers.

Talents:
Archeology

Contacts:
Whiz Radio, Shazam (the wizard), Justice League

History:
Billy Batson's parents were archeologists. On a trip to Egypt C.C. and Marylin, along with Mary (Billy's twin sister), were seemingly all killed in mysterious circumstances. In truth, Theo Adam killed his parents and sent his sister back to the United States for adoption. Billy was entrusted to his uncle Ebeneezer, who took his inheritance and kicked him out on the street. Then, one day he was guided by a strange man to an abandoned subway tunnel deep within the bowels of the city. There he met Shazam, an old wizard who had fought against evil for more than 5000 years. Since Shazam was about to die he wanted to leave his power to another person, and had chosen Billy. He would give Billy his power in exchange for his pledge to use it for good purposes.

Billy said the word for the first time, and thus was born Captain Marvel. With the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules, the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus, the courage of Achilles and the speed of Mercury a young wide eyed Billy bacame one of "Earth's Mightiest Mortals" with powers spawned directly from the gods.

Billy became child radio announcer for WHIZ radio and through them and their spelling bee he met Freddy Freeman and his Twin Sister Mary. Since reuniting with his sister Mary, Billy has become very protective of her. Billy chose to split his power among himself, his sister Mary and both then subsequently donated a fraction of their power to their friend, Freddy Freeman, who was crippled when he accidentally stumbled onto a battle between the Marvels and one of their foes.

Freddy can summon the power, but unlike Billy or Mary, and due to the source of his power, Freddy speaks the name "Captain Marvel" to be transformed. The group is loosely referred to as "The Marvel Family" when all three are in their super-powered forms. Together, as Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel, Jr, the Marvel family protected Fawcett City and Earth from numerous threats. Billy values his new "Marvel Family" very much, as it is the only real family he has.

Recently, The Marvels suffered a tremendous loss when the nefarious Mr. Mind detonated an atomic bomb in nearby Fairfield, killing thousands. Together, the Marvels brought Mr. Mind to justice, but the three nearly died when they were in a car accident in their non-powered forms. When their longtime enemy Black Adam reappeared, apparently to take their places, the one, true, original Captain Marvel ultimately defeated him.

Captain Marvel joined the Justice League for a while, even when Guy Gardner wouldn't stop teasing him, but left after a while. More recently, during the One Million incident, it was revealed that Billy will assume the wizard Shazam's role in the 853rd century. Billy's exploits up until that time remain unrevealed.


Hulk Dr. Robert Bruce Banner

Fighting: Incredible
Agility: Good
Strength: Unearthly
Endurance: Unearthly
Reason: Poor
Intuition: Excellent
Psyche: Remarkable

Health: 240
Karma: 40
Resources: Feeble
Popularity: 0

Known Powers:
True Invulnerability: Monstrous
Invulnerable to Cold, Heat, Fire, Radiation & Disease
Regeneration: Monstrous
Hyper-Leaping: CL5000, 40 areas
Astral Detection: Unearthly
Adrenaline Surge: The listed abilites and Health scores are for the Hulk under "normal" circumstances. The Hulk's Fighting and Strength may be raised +1CS to a maximum of Shift-Z to hit and damage under special cirumstances. Every round the Hulk is in combat with the same opponents, he receives this shift. If the opponent or opponents are defeated, the Hulks abilites and Health scores return to normal in the next round.
Special Detection: For some unknown reason, the Hulk is able to locate the place he was "born"- Desert Base, New Mexico- with Cl3000 ability
Alter Ego: He turns into the Hulk when he gets mad. As Bruce Banner he has none of the powers above:
Fighting: Typical
Agility: Good
Strength: Typical
Endurance: Excellent
Reason: Remarkable
Intuition: Excellent
Psyche: Good
Health: 42
Karma: 60

Talents:
Banner Only: Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Engineering, Medicine, Physics

Contacts:
None

History:
As a child he was abused by his dad and he killed his dad when he was a teenager. After colleage he became an accomplished scientist and nuclear physicist. He was working on Gamma Bomb for the US goverment, when Rick Jones was on the testing site for the bomb. Bruce got Jones out of the way, but he himself got bombarded with gamma rays and turned into the Hulk, as a product of Banner's split personality. (At first, such changes occured with with the sunset, reverting at dawn. Later, Banner would change with the adreniline rush of excitement or anger.)

For years, Banner lived as a fugitive, with the American governement hunting the Hulk. At times, Banner was able to control his Hulk persona with a degree of his own intelligence, but more often than not the child-like Hulk lashed out. Over time, three distinct personalities emerged: the Gray (self-assured and cocky) Hulk, the Intellagent (Banner-driven) Hulk, and the Savage (child-like, irrational, and angry) Hulk. Eventually, the world soon knew Banner's secret identity.

At one point, the Savage Hulk found himself in a sub-atomic world ruled by the princess Jarella. They fell in love, and both returned to Earth, although Jarella sacrificed herself to save a child.

Later, Doc Samson was able to physically seperate the Hulk from Banner, creating two seperate beings. During this time, Banner became the leader of the government's Hulkbuster taskforce to hunt the Hulk, and he even married long-time girlfriend Betty Ross. However, a continued seperation was killing both beings, and Banner and the Hulk soon merged again, re-creating the Grey Hulk, with old pattern of night-time hulking-out. As the Grey Hulk, he adopted the identiy of "Mr. Fixit" as a bouncer for a Las Vegas casino.

Later, after extensive therapy with the combined talents of Doc Samson and the Ringmaster, the Hulk merged the three different personalities within him. Soon after, he was contacted to join the Pantheon and served a long stint with them.

The Hulk was severely injured by the being known as Onslaught, physically seperating Banner from the Hulk body once again. Banner was then shunted to another demension, leaving Hulk in this world slowly dying.

[Ghost Rider]

Problem with stats..most of those are RPG stats, and truly bullshit. Superman's strength or Flash's speed or even Doom armor are grossly underrated, and Batman, Cap and Wolverine grossly overrated.

Never have used them and they are usually worse then using WEG or WoTC for SW stats.

Seriously the only way to gauge is by constant reading and using canon of their series and the appearances they have made throughout continuity and what is currently considered modren continuity with only knowledge of prior in case someone asks.

Batson wins though hands down...he's Superman just shy of strength and has no heat vision. Hulk is strong but doesn't have any of the speed or mental ability(even Banner Hulk...Batson does have Supernatural intelligence) to compensate for someone who can throw him beyond earth atmosphere.

[Ghost Rider]

As for changes...Batson virtually hasn't except in definition of powers.

Captain Mar-vell has, but Captain MArvel still remains Whiz comics Superman but saying SHAZAM(the appropriate powers Solomon, Hercules, Achilles, Zeus, Atlas and Mercury)

He's pretty much always been that.

Hulk's only honest change is in his strength level and the access he has of thus.

[Superman]

How did Hulk change? Weaker or stronger?

[Ghost Rider]

His strength or upper limits is really based upon rage and form.

A good example is when at one point he was semi Banner-Hulk, he reatained around 80-90 range(or in Marvel terms, not as strong but just as tough...he also mentioned he wasn't as strong)

Big green rage mode(after intial issues when he became Savage) he is easily 100+ or truly near cosmic in Marvel terms.

Grey Hulk He was substanionally weaker(around 60-70 ton range...or below Thing's uber form but enough brains to defeat Grimm, again).

These are some of the times his strength varied.

[Death from the Sea]

I would have to give it to Shazam. He can fly and make lightning rain from above and etc....
Hulk is super tough and strong, but so is Shazam, and Hulk doesn't have all the other powers Shazam does.

[Darth Gojira]

SHAZAM!!!

Wasn't that a bad movie that came out some years ago?

[Superman]

Well, Gomer Pyle was fond of saying it. Never worked for him though; he sure as hell never became any stronger or smarter.

[Next of Kin]

I believe Shazam and Superman fought on a few occasions. Does anyone know who won that match up?

[Jason von Evil]

I believe Shazam and Superman fought on a few occasions. Does anyone know who won that match up?

Well, in Kingdom Come, he was pretty close to killing Supes.

[Ghost Rider]

Aside from KC...Captain Marvel has been able to take it too Supes(but that because Superman has some oddball Magical weakness)

[Yogi]

Capt Marvel can fly, Hulk cannot. This makes all the diffrence.

[Jason von Evil]

Capt Marvel can fly, Hulk cannot. This makes all the diffrence.

Leaping/Jumping Ability
The Hulks's leg muscles are augmented so much that the Hulk can travel miles in a single casual jump. Jumping is the standard mode of transportation for the less intelligent incarnations of the Hulk. The Hulk has been known to make it into the earth's atmosphere on a single leap. Given the strength of the leap and the angle of trajectory when landing, the Hulk can create large craters and limited seismic activity when landing.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I believe Shazam and Superman fought on a few occasions. Does anyone know who won that match up?

Shazam's powers are magic-based. Magic can hurt Supes. Marvel can own Supes, and has before.

[Lonestar]

Billy Bateson is a wussy, and the Hulk is known to fight dirty. He fails.

Now, if it were Captain Marvel (Genis-vell)....

[Jason von Evil]

Billy Bateson is a wussy, and the Hulk is known to fight dirty. He fails.

Now, if it were Captain Marvel (Genis-vell)....

Uh, dude, Captain Marvel has stopped SUPERMAN in his tracks. Superman, a guy who can and has layed Hulk out in all their fights.

[Superman]

Yeah, fanboy logic aside, I think Marvel does win this one.

[The Drunkard Kid]

To be fair, perhaps we shouldn't use inter-company crossovers, since they tend to be really wonky when compared to the characters' showings in their own books.

As it is, Bastion punts Banner into deep space before he even realizes that the starting bell has rung, then punts him back when Hulk blacks out from the lack of oxygen, thus winning through KO without breaking his alignment.

Genis Vell, OTOH, tosses Banner into space and keeps taking Galactic Armada-busting potshots at the guy while following, or bumrushes him at transwarp speeds (considering that he got a mysterious powerboost which seems to let him ignore being in the center of the Big Bang or some such...). Or he gives Hulk a direct tap to the Cosmic Awareness and sits back and muches popcorn while Bruce screams at the top of his lungs for the next 38 years...

[DPDarkPrimus]

Yeah, fanboy logic aside, I think Marvel does win this one.

I just wonder if that's your actual opinion, or if Marvel threatened to put you in traction if you voted for the Hulk?

[Stravo]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

[The Drunkard Kid]

To be fair, while Marvel's bios only measure up to hundreds of tons, characters like Hulk and Thor have displayed strength feats that are as high or higher than anything displayed by DC strongmen, though both sides fluctuate incredibly.

Thor, during some really good showings, has done stuff like shatter a meteor that was 1-3X as large as the Earth with one blow, and the force generated from his arm wrestling contest with Hercules nearly shattered the planet they were holding the contest on, IIRC. Hulk is even more ludicrous, having shattered a meteor 2X the size of the Earth while calm in his Grey form, and when his Banner side was suppressed by Jean Grey, he cracked Onslaught's armor in one blow (IIRC, that's Celestial level, and Celestial armor is forged from compressed galaxies). He's gotten so angry that his claps have redirected galaxy busting blasts and "destroyed a cosmos", whatever that means (that latter half is second hand info). When it comes to raw strength, Hulk definitely has some of the most unlimited, insane, and absoludicrously implausible feats in all of fiction, passed only by, perhaps, Pre-Crisis Superman and Superman 1 Million.

As for snapping his neck, it's not likely for 2 reasons: 1) Unless you're giving Billy some form of Bloodlust, he'll avoid that move unless it's utterly necessary, and 2) Hulk's healing factor, especially if he's *really* pissed, makes Wolverine's look like a hemophiliac with AIDS. He's regenerated having most of his body vaporized within seconds, and once countered blatant reality manipulation (I think he was being turned to stone by some sort of cosmic being, but don't quote me on that) by getting so mad that he healed back to normal as fast as they could change him. However, since he still seems to need to breathe, suffocating him is one of the few truly foolproof ways to KO/Kill him, unless you can vaporize him/club him really, really hard before his healing factor amps up to the point where it's no longer effective.

[Jason von Evil]

DCvsMarvel crossovers have always been sort of liek Trek v. Wars in terms of strenght levels. DC's power houses are more on a godlike plain (ie. Superman, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter) as compared to the likes of Marvel who measures their character's strength levels in terms of hundreds of tons, DC powerhouses are talking about hundreds of thousands of tons. Marvle kills the Hulk before the fight can truly get underway, speed of mercury with strength of Hercules equals Hulk with broken neck. Its just not a fair fight.

Something like Marvel vs. Galactus would be much fairer.

Its just the way it is, Marvels power levels for the vast majority of their heroes is much more in the realm of possibilty than some of the mountain lifting behemoths in DC.

Hulk vs. Captain Marvel is like megatons vs. gigatons.

Wow, fanfic idea.

[Ghost Rider]

Pretty much what Stravo pointed out is perfect.

Hulk may rate high with Onsalught bit...but given that Batso is shy of Superman, and Superman can do literally thousand of tons(OWAW is a power boost in such a disgusting direction...power ups alone)

Batson can stand there and take Hulk by sheer power...that and Hulk requires a complete loss of mental facilities ofr obnoxious strength...Batson doesn't.