The Culture vs. the Galactic Empire

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-11 03:30pm

When do they surf supernovae and at what distance? (Apollo Eleven could do it at a great enough distance, Inverse square law..)

And I never was impressed by the GCU (yes it was) hiding in the outer layers of the star. A Trade Federation Battleship can do that, for an unlimited (until it runs out of fuel anyway) amount of time.

I thought the twin novae was in two seperate systems?
In any case that is still four novae during the war unnaccounted for.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-11 04:38pm

I don't consider a Mind to be "Weak-willed"

Still, even if taking care of the humans is as easy as breathing, would you still breath if you didn't have to?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-11 04:40pm

NecronLord wrote:
fgalkin wrote: Suure. Except that Culture ships surf supernovas for FUN.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Actually that's blatantly untrue. See the Iridian war, supernovas are dangerous to the culture. Not that it matters, they'd simply stay in hyperspace.

I clearly remember it being mentioned in one of the novels. "Excession", I think.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-04-11 05:18pm

Eddy, please explain to me how a Jedi or Sith will Mind Trick a Culture Mind when they can't even Mind Trick friggin Watto.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 05:21pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:
I don't consider a Mind to be "Weak-willed"
Still, even if taking care of the humans is as easy as breathing, would you still breath if you didn't have to?

Because for some odd reason they like us. It cost them next to nothing to manage the Culture and it benefits them so why shouldn't they?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-11 06:14pm

fgalkin wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
fgalkin wrote: Suure. Except that Culture ships surf supernovas for FUN.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Actually that's blatantly untrue. See the Iridian war, supernovas are dangerous to the culture. Not that it matters, they'd simply stay in hyperspace.
I clearly remember it being mentioned in one of the novels. "Excession", I think.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

The only naturally occuring things that can harm a GCU would be a black hole or a white hole. I guess that excludes supernovae since it is said that a GCU can survive them with some minor adjustments to the fields.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-11 06:15pm

OK, so one Jedi couldn't mind trick a culture mind, but to claim that the entire Force is weaker than a single culture mind is ignoring an important point of SW.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-11 06:17pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:OK, so one Jedi couldn't mind trick a culture mind, but to claim that the entire Force is weaker than a single culture mind is ignoring an important point of SW.

Well I'd have to see something that shows Force users doing such feats, my knowledge of the EU is limited due to my disliking of most of the books.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-11 06:17pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:OK, so one Jedi couldn't mind trick a culture mind, but to claim that the entire Force is weaker than a single culture mind is ignoring an important point of SW.

The entire Force is existance, of course its more powerful than anything anyone could ever make. A Jedi that has the full ability to wield the Force could wipe out existance.

But since no Jedi/Sith has the ability to wield the entirety fo the Force, or even a microscopic fraction of it, the Culture wins.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 06:20pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:OK, so one Jedi couldn't mind trick a culture mind, but to claim that the entire Force is weaker than a single culture mind is ignoring an important point of SW.

No, the Force is more powerful. But frankly anything the Jedi, Sith or a John Q Force-user is going to be stopped, and hard, by the Culture. Unless the Force itself decides to intervene the Empire is fucked.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-04-11 06:21pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:OK, so one Jedi couldn't mind trick a culture mind, but to claim that the entire Force is weaker than a single culture mind is ignoring an important point of SW.

And until the whole of the Force is being used on the SW side, that is irrelevant. Try again.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-04-11 06:23pm

Damn lack of edit: And no one said that the whole Force is weaker than a single Mind. What we're saying is that individual Force users are not strong enough to take on the whole Culture.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-11 08:01pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
NecronLord wrote: Actually that's blatantly untrue. See the Iridian war, supernovas are dangerous to the culture. Not that it matters, they'd simply stay in hyperspace.
I clearly remember it being mentioned in one of the novels. "Excession", I think.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

The only naturally occuring things that can harm a GCU would be a black hole or a white hole. I guess that excludes supernovae since it is said that a GCU can survive them with some minor adjustments to the fields.

That would be the quote I was referring to.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 08:04pm

XaLEv wrote:Damn lack of edit: And no one said that the whole Force is weaker than a single Mind. What we're saying is that individual Force users are not strong enough to take on the whole Culture.

Hell, all the Force users in the galaxy wouldn't be enough to stop them. Not enough by far.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 08:05pm

Eddy the Very Great:

Since you're arguing that the Force would some how stop the Culture, please enlighten us. How would the Force stop the Culture?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-11 08:07pm

Stormbringer wrote:Eddy the Very Great:

Since you're arguing that the Force would some how stop the Culture, please enlighten us. How would the Force stop the Culture?

He can't. He's a moron.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 08:38pm

fgalkin wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Eddy the Very Great:

Since you're arguing that the Force would some how stop the Culture, please enlighten us. How would the Force stop the Culture?
He can't. He's a moron.

Of course. And the sky's blue and water's wet. The things is after slamming him so much it gets boring. Where's the fun in making him our bitch if he doesn't evern fight back?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-11 09:01pm

He's not a moron, that's giving him to much credit, by dictionary definition he's an idiot.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-11 09:04pm

Hah, the Force can beat the Culture.

He shall be rememberd for that.

Oh, btw. He's online. He seems to be avoiding this thread.

I wonder why is that.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-04-11 09:22pm

fgalkin wrote:Hah, the Force can beat the Culture. He shall be rememberd for that.

Oh, btw. He's online. He seems to be avoiding this thread.

I wonder why is that.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

He's been busy posting in this thread, acting like an even bigger spineless idiot.

Someones been selling this kid a whole lot of herrings disguised as valid points. Probably blew all his lunch money on all those little red things.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-11 09:27pm

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:He's been busy posting in this thread, acting like an even bigger spineless idiot.

What the hell did you expect? He's got all the backbone of a jellyfish.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-04-11 09:31pm

From what I can tell, the only thing Eddie the Very Great is is a Very Great Trog.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-11 09:38pm

Fine, I concede this debate.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-04-11 09:45pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:I'd say that the Empire wins. They have the Force. I know that in a straight fight they would lose, but if Vader infiltrated the culture the way Palpatine took control of the Republic, then the GE could win. The culture can't be that stable. It's a galaxy wide anarchy. It would take relatively little topple them.

Hmmm, interesting but wrong. The Culture is comparible to the Galactic Empire as the Galactic Empire would be comparible to ancient Egypt. Oh, and welcome to SD.NET. Be careful of what you post on this site, for you will be held immediately accountable for all of it, and many here are not so nice as I.

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XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-04-11 09:54pm

jegs2 wrote:Hmmm, interesting but wrong. The Culture is comparible to the Galactic Empire as the Galactic Empire would be comparible to ancient Egypt. Oh, and welcome to SD.NET. Be careful of what you post on this site, for you will be held immediately accountable for all of it, and many here are not so nice as I.

Another such analogy, byt IXJac at ASVS:

If the Culture is the US, then the Homomdan Empire is the USSR, the Chinese are the Idirans, the mugger on the corner of Fifth and Main is the Galactic Empire, and the bum he's curb-stomping is the UFP.

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