And there's the rub, 2/3rds of the fleet was wiped out, Poe asked her what's going on, and she wouldn't tell him anything, and death seemed a few hours away at best. From his perspective, it did seem necessary. Consider my example situation below.
We all know that Poe has blame, he swiftly disregarded Opsec and Commsec. We can rightly hold him over the coals for that one. Finn and Rose for hiring someone who wasn't their contact. DJ more so for selling them out. And even Manaka for not just giving the Slicer's name. Poe's staging a mutiny when he thinks everyone's lives count on his doing it is due to Holdo's bad leadership, that's on Holdo's refusal to brief anyone on what's going on.Fair enough.Dealing with frightened, angry, disillusioned and frustrated subordinates is the primary job of a senior leader. Its the #1 thing they are there to do, to inspire people to be better and accomplish more than they think they can. To be blunt, anyone can come up with plans, and commanders rarely do that themselves. They are there to execute, through the inspiration and management of people.
I'm not saying anyone (Holdo or Poe) handled the situation ideally. I'm just saying that there are reasons for that given the situation (both explicite and implied) other than "Holdo is evil" or "Holdo is stupid." And that Poe bears some of the blame.
If person A was driving a car towards a cliff, and person B is in the passenger seat, and doesn't see them slow down, but instead accelerate, without knowing that person A is planning on landing in the secretly set up cushion at the bottom of the cliff and that they should survives Person A set up without Person B knowing, they will rightfully think that Person A is going to get them killed. This is only compounded when Persons C and D have heart attacks from the seemingly suicidal driving.
Person B is worried for their life, as well as the lives of Person E, F, and G, who are also in the same car, worried about dying as well. Person B is entirely in the right to try and stop the car by whatever means possible with the information they have at hand.
Poe isn't flipping out because he's naturally rebellious or that he's afraid of following a woman. He's afraid his leader is getting them killed pointlessly, and has already gotten two captains killed, and is acting in self defense.
But it wasn't, so Poe's actions are justified from his available information. It might even hold up in a Court Martial.
Agreed.As you noted, that's kind of the relationship Poe has with Leia, but giving him that relationship with Holdo would have been arguably redundant, and would have required a major re-write, as ray noted.Snip Fax's brainstorming for a better film.
I think the problem is two-fold: one, the need for secrecy is never clearly stated. It makes sense as a justification after the fact, but it should have been stated in the film. It would have cleared up a number of plot issues that have been raised in this thread, while still leaving enough to make the audience think Poe was right about Holdo.
You can do that, but unless handled right, it can make Holdo look irrational due to personal grief. And I'm not sure if having the female leader being out of control with her emotions to the point that she gets two ships destroyed because she can't communicate properly is a good idea.Secondly, we don't really get a chance in the film to find out much about Holdo, or see things from her perspective. So we just get half a film of Poe (as previously noted in this thread, a character the audience has already gotten to know and presumably identify with) saying she sucks, followed by a twist. Holdo's goodbye to Leia and her final sacrifice help to make her more sympathetic and give her more depth, but it would have probably helped the audience to sympathize with her if we'd found out a bit more about her.
I might have played up the idea that it was some of Holdo's people that Poe's stunt at the start got killed- given her a stronger personal reason to dislike and distrust him. Hell, maybe even have Holdo blame Poe for Leia being incapacitated, since his stunt wiped out their fighter cover and exposed the Raddus to Kylo's fighter attack. Give her more of a reason for a personal animosity towards Poe. The latter would tie it into her other main relationship in the film (her friendship with Leia), and Leia's recovery could then provide a stronger reason for her to reevaluate her opinion of Poe.