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I went to one of the preview screenings for Logan last night and was not at all disappointed. I'm confident in saying it was the best of the 3 Wolverine movies. It was brutal as hell, because he's a rage monster with fucking metal claws, its supposed to be. It adds just the right amount of humour to lighten the mood when needed without having huge tonal shifts.
Jackman owns the role, Stewart is fucking Patrick Stewart and Dafne Keen who plays Laura/X23 does a fine job.
The trailers did a good job of not showing everything and leaving some surprises for the film although probably everyone knows about one big plot point the trailers just couldn't help spoiling.
Jackman owns the role, Stewart is fucking Patrick Stewart and Dafne Keen who plays Laura/X23 does a fine job.
The trailers did a good job of not showing everything and leaving some surprises for the film although probably everyone knows about one big plot point the trailers just couldn't help spoiling.
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Re: Logan
+1 for not just using the trailer thread
Going to see it on Monday.
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I got a free admission with a client this afternoon. Well worth the ticket price!
Uh, I mean it's a vicious, bloody Road trip flick that focuses alot on the fragility of being a centuries old manslaughter machine. No spandex to be seen, mercifully.
Uh, I mean it's a vicious, bloody Road trip flick that focuses alot on the fragility of being a centuries old manslaughter machine. No spandex to be seen, mercifully.
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Re: Logan
Overall, I liked it. All of the acting and violence was fantastic. Though it seemed as though a lot of the action was shoehorned in to meet a quota.
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Just got back from seeing it. I enjoyed it. Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart give the X-men a nice swansong.
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The ending scene made me sad as well, though the final image was rather iconic.
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Re: Logan
I saw it and pretty much liked it. Coming from someone that was completely sick to death and verging on hate of Wolverine.
While the film is pretty tight, I do feel it really suffered with the complete lack of context. The film is super-focused on Wolverine and Co. with no real indication of what is going on in the larger world.
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While the film is pretty tight, I do feel it really suffered with the complete lack of context. The film is super-focused on Wolverine and Co. with no real indication of what is going on in the larger world.
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Re: Logan
It is the last movie for Stewart and Jackman, and there are supposedly going to be more movies with the earlier time frame of X-Men. Presumably they'll play this up as a possible future (just as the comic "Old Man Logan" that helped inspire it). My brother told me that a new interview with Jackman has him saying he'll come back as Wolverine for only one occasion: if Marvel Studios gets the rights and they ask him as part of having Wolverine join the Avengers.
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Re: Logan
According to the director, this is the good timeline from Days of Future Past's ending. So, essentially, everything they fought for, all pointless.Steve wrote:It is the last movie for Stewart and Jackman, and there are supposedly going to be more movies with the earlier time frame of X-Men. Presumably they'll play this up as a possible future (just as the comic "Old Man Logan" that helped inspire it). My brother told me that a new interview with Jackman has him saying he'll come back as Wolverine for only one occasion: if Marvel Studios gets the rights and they ask him as part of having Wolverine join the Avengers.
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean Fox won't overrule him if it becomes an issue. Or allow another director to contradict him.FaxModem1 wrote:According to the director, this is the good timeline from Days of Future Past's ending. So, essentially, everything they fought for, all pointless.Steve wrote:It is the last movie for Stewart and Jackman, and there are supposedly going to be more movies with the earlier time frame of X-Men. Presumably they'll play this up as a possible future (just as the comic "Old Man Logan" that helped inspire it). My brother told me that a new interview with Jackman has him saying he'll come back as Wolverine for only one occasion: if Marvel Studios gets the rights and they ask him as part of having Wolverine join the Avengers.
And let's face it, there's still more hope in this timeline than in the DOFP Sentinel-overrun one.
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Fair enough, the environment and civilization both seem standing compared to the desolate wastelands of DOFP. Still sucks for the mutants.Steve wrote:Yeah, but that doesn't mean Fox won't overrule him if it becomes an issue. Or allow another director to contradict him.FaxModem1 wrote:According to the director, this is the good timeline from Days of Future Past's ending. So, essentially, everything they fought for, all pointless.Steve wrote:It is the last movie for Stewart and Jackman, and there are supposedly going to be more movies with the earlier time frame of X-Men. Presumably they'll play this up as a possible future (just as the comic "Old Man Logan" that helped inspire it). My brother told me that a new interview with Jackman has him saying he'll come back as Wolverine for only one occasion: if Marvel Studios gets the rights and they ask him as part of having Wolverine join the Avengers.
And let's face it, there's still more hope in this timeline than in the DOFP Sentinel-overrun one.
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Re: Logan
I don't get complaints about the lack of continuity with the rest of the X-verse. The X-Men timeline has been a shitastrophe for years now. Just think of it as a kind of Elseworlds tale if it helps you sleep at night.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?
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Re: Logan
Even in the best possible ending, mutants still get wiped out and enslaved. Evidently Magneto was right.FaxModem1 wrote:Fair enough, the environment and civilization both seem standing compared to the desolate wastelands of DOFP. Still sucks for the mutants.
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Re: Logan
Anyone who has read an X-Men comic in the last decade would come to the same conclusion. House of M involved the near complete genocide of the mutant race by magic (the perpetrator went unpunished because she is an Avenger) In A vs. X the Avengers tried to prevent the rebirth of the mutant race by destroying the Phoenix because Tony Stark's reaction to one of the fundamental cosmic entities of the universe is "shoot it with lasers", and now in I vs X the Inhumans have released a weapon of mass destruction which will make Earth completely uninhabitable for Mutants.Gandalf wrote:Even in the best possible ending, mutants still get wiped out and enslaved. Evidently Magneto was right.FaxModem1 wrote:Fair enough, the environment and civilization both seem standing compared to the desolate wastelands of DOFP. Still sucks for the mutants.
Magneto was not only right, he was understating the scope of the problem.
Re: Logan
At this point I have to wonder if Marvel are deliberately trying to spite Fox
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Re: Logan
I don't think there's any wondering, they've been trying to make people forget the X-Men and love the Inhumans for years (people do not love the Inhumans), they've shitcanned the Fantastic Four, and so on.
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Re: Logan
So I was curious what this film would be like having not seen any of the predecessors, with all of my knowledge strictly from osmosis, which is admittedly a great deal. It was actually quite good regardless of a lack of previous knowledge and did a nice job establishing the setting and characters.
I would second Gandolf's criticism about one of the antagonists and agree it would have been better without that. Spoiler
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Re: Logan
Just saw the movie. I could give two craps about the X-Men, but this was splendid. It built a world by NOT telling you about it. You know the X-Men were once there, had a fictional following as cultural icons of sorts, then sorta just faded away possibly after a few disasters. Then no more mutants. The world moved on, and people generally lived on. The small time farmer was getting pushed out by company interests, and automation continued to eat jobs. But aside from that, it felt right. Thank goodness too that the nurse character and logan were using 12 year old cellphones, I'd hate to see any sorta stupid 'future phone' in play.
Also, guess it must pay well to work at the company where half the employees are missing forearms.
Also, guess it must pay well to work at the company where half the employees are missing forearms.
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Re: Logan
Cable is supposed to make his appearance in a Deadpool sequel.Steve wrote:Yeah, but that doesn't mean Fox won't overrule him if it becomes an issue. Or allow another director to contradict him.FaxModem1 wrote:According to the director, this is the good timeline from Days of Future Past's ending. So, essentially, everything they fought for, all pointless.Steve wrote:It is the last movie for Stewart and Jackman, and there are supposedly going to be more movies with the earlier time frame of X-Men. Presumably they'll play this up as a possible future (just as the comic "Old Man Logan" that helped inspire it). My brother told me that a new interview with Jackman has him saying he'll come back as Wolverine for only one occasion: if Marvel Studios gets the rights and they ask him as part of having Wolverine join the Avengers.
And let's face it, there's still more hope in this timeline than in the DOFP Sentinel-overrun one.
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To be honest the X-men always fit rather poorly to the greater Marvel universe, it's kind of hard to have mutant oppression when you got 10000 superpowered heroes that don't get oppressed, I mean worst someone like Spiderman got is a bad press in a way that's obvious the writer has something against Spiderman personally and the Avengers are generally seen as heroes in-universe IIRC.Vendetta wrote:I don't think there's any wondering, they've been trying to make people forget the X-Men and love the Inhumans for years (people do not love the Inhumans), they've shitcanned the Fantastic Four, and so on.
X-men work best in a universe where mutants are essentially the only superpowered beings in existance.
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I'm surprised it's 2029 and there wasn't a YUGE wall to prevent those dirty mutants from getting in to our country. After all, mutants don't send us their best, they send us their World War III starters, their mass murderers who use magnetism, self-proclaimed gods who want to destroy civilization so that we will worship him, and some, I assume, are nice people.AniThyng wrote:SpoilerPringles, the preferred chips of mutants everywhere.
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The weird thing was that it seemed that when he was leaving the US there was the implication that there was a wall. At least one more substantial than a regular border crossing...FaxModem1 wrote: I'm surprised it's 2029 and there wasn't a YUGE wall to prevent those dirty mutants from getting in to our country. After all, mutants don't send us their best, they send us their World War III starters, their mass murderers who use magnetism, self-proclaimed gods who want to destroy civilization so that we will worship him, and some, I assume, are nice people.
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Re: Logan
That is an interesting idea, and makes the current licensing situation actually better than the alternative, unlike Spider Man.Lord Revan wrote: To be honest the X-men always fit rather poorly to the greater Marvel universe, it's kind of hard to have mutant oppression when you got 10000 superpowered heroes that don't get oppressed, I mean worst someone like Spiderman got is a bad press in a way that's obvious the writer has something against Spiderman personally and the Avengers are generally seen as heroes in-universe IIRC.
X-men work best in a universe where mutants are essentially the only superpowered beings in existance.