Fuck you for forcing me to visit TV tropes to find out what Flynning means.Blayne wrote:All fight scenes in everything ever having to do with either magic or swords when you realize 90% of it is flynning.
Fate/Zero averts this with guns :V
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Fuck you for forcing me to visit TV tropes to find out what Flynning means.Blayne wrote:All fight scenes in everything ever having to do with either magic or swords when you realize 90% of it is flynning.
Fate/Zero averts this with guns :V
You mean the show where guns are broadly useless except twice????Blayne wrote:Fate/Zero averts this with guns :V
Except he's assassinated hundreds of vampires and rogue magi and there's a two parter episode that says as much? As well as taking down an 747 with a stinger.Ford Prefect wrote:You mean the show where guns are broadly useless except twice????Blayne wrote:Fate/Zero averts this with guns :V
What's wrong with avert? It's a perfectly serviceable word. You avert disaster, visits with the in-laws, and the income tax.Stark wrote:You've got to learn to simply ignore people who say such things. Especially 'avert'.
In fairness, there have been a lot of needless flashbacks in Naruto. The last filler arc consisted almost entirely of characters flashing back to when they were all twelve.Commander 598 wrote:When people complain about "needlessly prolonged" shonen anime it's chiefly about needlessly prolonging fight scenes in such a way that you question the competency of everyone in the fight...or having an entire episode (Or more!) of needless flashback in the middle of it. If it looks like the antagonist is going way out of his way to not kill the protagonist(s), or the viewer wants to drop the whole thing out of boredom, you're doing it wrong.Blayne wrote:I consider the criticism of "needlessly prolonged" to frankly be dubious considering the genre and medium of distribution
Sometimes filler is good enough that you don't even realize it if you don't have any prior knowledge, and sometimes it is actually better than the main story. For the most part I don't think anyone really gives a shit about the odd filler arc here and there, unless it's actually like a back to back hundred episodes, really terrible, plopped into the middle of a story arc, or a combination.
Trying to determine the power of past individuals based on the statements and abilities of someone who has been resurrected as an immortal, invincible, inexhaustible, and thoroughly upgraded Edo zombie is quite silly.Xexilf wrote: On top of that Madare claims to be on a level with the first. Given that Madare can take down the five kages all together without really getting serious, the first might have been on a similiar overpowered level, so his DNA having great power might not be so out of place. (Of course that raises questions regarding the backstory, what effect did one so utterly overpowered ninja have and why didnt he take over the world or how did he die?)
Why didn't Senju 'I invented the Will of Fire' Hashirama take over the world?Xexilf wrote:why didnt he take over the world
I like the idea that he was just a guy fiddling around with seals, who happened to have the courage, knowledge and strength of character to seal the Juubi into himself and save the world. At which point he gained the Rinnegan and god-like powers.Guardsman Bass wrote:I'm not sure what made the Sage of Six Paths so powerful, either, aside from imprisoning the original Tailed Beast inside himself. Was he just the most extreme top end version of the special bloodline abilities that some families have in the series?
So Kazkuzu survived. Big deal. Sarutobi was better than Hashirama and Tobirama. Big deal. Madara was resurrected with all his end of life abilities in a body in its physical prime. Big deal. The substance of what he is saying - that Hashirama is more powerful than all five current Kage - isn't going to be changed regardless of what he can do now. Even if the implication on Madara's part that Hashirama would still be his equal now is false, the other limb remains. And frankly I don't see why anyone should assume that Madara isn't best placed to judge both his own abilities and the abilities of his life-long rival. The rival that was always stronger than Madara anyway. You might say that maybe Madara is inflating the capabilities of the one guy he admired (and loathed), but Kabuto is of the opinion that Hashirama is way stronger than anyone currently alive. It's just a fact. Hashirama was crazy strong.Commander 598 wrote:We have at least two depictions of Hashirama fighting, allegedly Kakuzu was sent to assassinate him and survived, the Third Hokage was allegedly even better than the first two...I don't think any of this really syncs up with Madara's statements. I see no reason to believe that Madara was even physically capable of doing half the stuff he's doing now.
Well I think that's totally true. Though in most cases I'd call it less "power" and more "skill".that Hashirama is more powerful than all five current Kage
Look maybe Tsunade was just kind of delirious from Perfect Susanoo or whatever, but just keep in mind that you're assuming that Madara is very substantially more powerful currently than he was when he was alive, and I don't think that really follows. When it comes down to it all Kabuto did was ensure that Madara had all the stuff from the end of his life (Mokuton, Rinnegan) in a body from his physical prime. I mean, sure, that would definitely make him stronger than he was when Hashirama ruled him at the Valley of the End, but exactly how much stronger do you think this would make him? Being an Edo Tensei has all sorts of advantages, but a zombie's actual capabilities as a ninja are substantially the same as when they were alive.Commander 598 wrote:My comments are more directed to the silly "Madara is unstoppable! just how impossibly strong was Hashirama?!" train of thought which disregards all sense.
Likewise. All the vastly powerful characters have very different powers and weaknesses. How many times in the series has someone said something like "I'm the worst possible opponent for you" "That'd work on most ninja, but not me" or even the damned smug "all you techniques are useless before my eyes."But at least the powercreep is much better handled here than in most manga's, I get the impression that one wrong step and most of the overpowered characters would go splat.
Journey to the West again. After watching the Third Hokage fight it became pretty clear that he's supposed to be an expy of Sun Wukong, which raised my estimate of his threat level a lot higher than hearing he'd been un-ironically called "the God of Ninja."I think part of the problem is that powercreep entered the series slightly before the mangaka fully figured out his own mythology so we get the situation where the Third, even with the reasoning that he's much older and no longer in his prime; is claimed to be stronger than the First(?) doesn't look like it considering abilities and power of characters around right now.
I think the "one wrong step" bit's better handled, too. A few of the Uchiha escapes have been pushing it, but I can't recall ever feeling like the audience had been robbed like a few recent chapters of Bleach, with SpoilerBlayne wrote:But at least the powercreep is much better handled here than in most manga's, I get the impression that one wrong step and most of the overpowered characters would go splat.