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Trekkies are smart.

Postby Luke Skywalker » 2012-04-27 04:16pm

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Given that the Empire’s fusion powerplants magically explode upon being hit, with enough energy to mass scatter a moon sized battle station, I’d say the former.


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"Moon sized" can go from 9 to 9 000 kilometers, so...

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Besides, Enterprise-E is also "moon-sized", depends on which moon you take... and we don't knwo how long it took to build Death Stars, and yes, personnel costs are ususally disproportionately large.




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Postby Panzersharkcat » 2012-04-27 09:55pm

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Postby Batman » 2012-04-27 10:08pm

What is the official definition of moon-sized? Because if it's 'anything that orbits a planet' ,um-no? Earth would have a couple thousand moons by that. Let's just not get into planets with rings.
Every Enterprise in existence (possibly excepting the Ent-J from ENT) is significantly smaller than anything modern astronomy ever declared a moon.
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Postby Serafina » 2012-04-28 01:12am

Batman wrote:What is the official definition of moon-sized? Because if it's 'anything that orbits a planet' ,um-no? Earth would have a couple thousand moons by that. Let's just not get into planets with rings.
Every Enterprise in existence (possibly excepting the Ent-J from ENT) is significantly smaller than anything modern astronomy ever declared a moon.
Some of the moons of Jupiter are smaller than 10km in diameter, so the statement "9 to 9000 kilometers" is actually (somewhat) correct. We don't actually have an official definition for moons/natural satellites other than the need to orbit a planet.

Of course a spherical body with a diameter of 9 kilometer is still way more massive than everything the Federation has built, ever.

Oh, and just for fun, we DO know something about the built time of the Death Stars, even if we go by dumb "movie only"-canon: We know roughly how much time has passed between ANH and ROTJ, so we can conclude something about the build time of the second Death Star. We can do the same for the first Death Star as well, since we know how much time has passed between ROTS and ANH, and the Death Star was clearly built within that timeframe. Both are, again, industrial feats far surpassing anything the Federation has ever done."
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Postby the atom » 2012-04-28 03:17am

Heh, is this honestly the best material you could find from SFJ?
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Postby spaceviking » 2012-04-28 03:25am

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Postby Luke Skywalker » 2012-04-28 08:42am

It is more along the lines of building a hundred frigates or one DS. Apparently Economies of scale really love Death Stars.


-a member, arguing that the construction of the Death Star is an industrial feat roughly equivalent to building a hundred frigates. His source:

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The Death Star Project is an example of a priority sector into which the Empire poured resources enough to have formed perhaps a score of Sector Groups


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Since Starfleet is not incompetent that is not a problem.




[Context there; SWST is me, attempting to question how imperial ships could use fusion reactors, when they explode whenever hit, a characteristic typically not attributed to a nuclear powerplant; Picard, responding by saying that atomizing the Death Star isn't impressive, because it's moon sized, and the Enterprise could be moon sized, depending on how you view it...

To be fair, English isn't his first language.]

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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-04-28 10:15am

On the moon-sized thing. My astronomy lecturers tend to draw a definition between "moon" and "Natural satellite" where a moon has to be a planetoid, i.e. something big enough to pull itself into a rough sphere, about a 100 km diameter.

So, Mars has two satellites but no moons. Deimos is almost certainy a captured asteroid whilst Phobos was probably plasted off the surface by an impact. Jupiter has scores of the damn things (63 was the last count I saw) and most of them are captured asteroids.
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Postby Enigma » 2012-05-06 02:59pm

Luke Skywalker wrote:
It is more along the lines of building a hundred frigates or one DS. Apparently Economies of scale really love Death Stars.


-a member, arguing that the construction of the Death Star is an industrial feat roughly equivalent to building a hundred frigates. His source:

ISB page 11

The Death Star Project is an example of a priority sector into which the Empire poured resources enough to have formed perhaps a score of Sector Groups


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Since Starfleet is not incompetent that is not a problem.




[Context there; SWST is me, attempting to question how imperial ships could use fusion reactors, when they explode whenever hit, a characteristic typically not attributed to a nuclear powerplant; Picard, responding by saying that atomizing the Death Star isn't impressive, because it's moon sized, and the Enterprise could be moon sized, depending on how you view it...

To be fair, English isn't his first language.]


Well according to Wookieepedia (using the SW Tech Journal as the source) a Sector group consists of 24 ISDs (I do not know if smaller support ships are included). So a score of these groups would come out to something like 480 ISDs. Still seems small a number but definitely better than Picard's idea.
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