Get your fill of sci-fi, science, and mockery of stupid people
* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 
Want to support this site? Click

Quote of the Week: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." - Will Durant, American historian (1885-1981)


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 02:51am
Offline
Padawan Learner
User avatar

Joined: 2010-02-20 01:03am
Posts: 219
Location: Behind you.
A couple days ago, I got Tropico 4, and I must say, it it amazing. It's like a combination of Emperor and The Sims. As a bonus, it even runs under Wine (I'm running Linux Mint 12), with perfect graphics, audio, and all, which saves me the trouble of having to run Windows in Virtualbox.

The only annoying thing is the controls. I hate how you can't use the arrow keys to move around the map, as that's what I'm used to doing in Emperor and Age of Empires. Is there any way to change this?



"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 03:34am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-18 06:08pm
Posts: 13237
Location: Poland
Did they at all improve how information is presented?

Is it still trivially easy to win and get infinite monies?



Image
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up

It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11

Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.

MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:10am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
They added more things you have to do to avoid losing elections, that's for sure. elections were useless in 3, but now you have to do side quests to avoid instant death.

And I like moving the camera with left stick. :v



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:13am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-18 06:08pm
Posts: 13237
Location: Poland
It took me all of two tries to figure out 3 and I never lost an election ever after that, because infinite money = ability to cater to everyone, so it would be good if free elections caused more headaches to El Presidente :)



Image
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up

It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11

Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.

MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:23am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Instantly failing is still shit. The structure of the game just doesn't lend itself toward losing states; you're either winning, or you're winning slowly, or you instantly die.

And the manual is absolutely terrible; written in random order by someone who has never played.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:26am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-18 06:08pm
Posts: 13237
Location: Poland
...

So it's literally instant death, instead of making you spend monies on opression and abuse to stay in power?

Well, yeah, this sucks.



Image
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up

It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11

Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.

MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:31am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Well yeah if you lose an election it's game over. In T3 it was impossible to lose unless you were an idiot. I think they tried t add difficulty a stupid way instead door fixing the economy and social mechanics.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:37am
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-18 06:08pm
Posts: 13237
Location: Poland
Yeah...I liked what they were trying to do with 3 (different social groups having different demands, the possibility to fuck with election results in different, gradually more and more blatant ways...). It would've been great if it wasn't so easy to just placate everyone.



Image
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up

It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11

Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.

MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 08:44am
Offline
Jedi Council Member
User avatar

Joined: 2010-04-20 08:31am
Posts: 2492
Location: In a purple cube orbiting this planet. Hijacking satellites for an internet connection.
How does it compare to the original Tropico? Can you still simply not hold elections at all and keep the people under your boot like a good dictator?



I am the Purple Cube from beyond. Seek not to understand me for thau shalt fail.

Warning: I am an amateur writer/roleplayer and as such my posts are liable to contain text that would fit better into a work of literature than a conversation. Hence (unless I am in debate mode) be sure to read my posts with care and not take everything I say at face value. It might be (and at times is) full of stylistic exaggeration for the sake of explaining my point. Thank you.

NOTIFICATION: From this point on all my posts are censored by the thought police.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-20 10:06pm
Offline
Jedi Council Member

Joined: 2007-08-06 02:36pm
Posts: 2114
Purple wrote:
How does it compare to the original Tropico? Can you still simply not hold elections at all and keep the people under your boot like a good dictator?

Yes, though people run off to the jungle and rebel. It depends on the traits you take for your avatar though, certain bonuses come with high democracy expectations.

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 09:34pm
Offline
Padawan Learner
User avatar

Joined: 2010-02-20 01:03am
Posts: 219
Location: Behind you.
I've never played any of the earlier Tropicos, so I can't compare. And speaking of infinite money, I haven't used Cheat Engine (GameConqueror, actually) in quite a while...



"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 09:37pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Nobody's talking about cheating, dumbass; Tropico 3 was just amazingly easy to break the economy and have endless money (and thus no problems ever). Tropico 4 introduces more mechanics to try to make it harder to make money and forcing you to spend money on more things, but it only really impacts early on (where people in 1951 in a third-world country of 30 people will complain about living too close to a fucking farm) and later you still have infinite money.

They've slightly changed how information is presented, but it still sucks. I have no idea (for instance) why the thousands of units of smoked beef produced by my ranches is all consumed locally instead of exported, and there appears to be no way to find out/stop it.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 09:47pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
Tropico 4 campaign is much improved, though. But once you played one Island to fullness it is pretty much it. Not much replay value.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 09:49pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
I'm in 1972 in a 50 year sandbox and I'm pretty much done with the game too. I have unlimited money, win elections with 90%, etc. The only problems are from Tropico 3; things like 'construction guys totally useless' and 'teamsters can't pathfind for shit' and 'tourism is utterly broken and too profitable'.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 09:56pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
I don't know about tourism being broken....I find my hotels are not getting full enough despite me building all attractions. I think rum and cigars are far more profitable (and diamond cutting jewelry IS insanely broken).

ITA on the other problems though.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:01pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
I routinely have to quick-build anything time-critical because it can take literally years for a farm to be built by the four construction teams I have running. A massive network of roads, garages, marketplaces etc doesn't improve this much.

And yeah, cigars are hells broken. One factory + 3 farms = 100k a boat. I've had two events for 'free factory' so I'm running 3 factories with 10 tobacco farms and its just ridiculous.

I'm kind of sad that the game seems more politicised than the first one; Moscow University is significantly inferior to Harvard, Intellectuals are all democratic, manufacturing arms is bad, etc. Lame.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:07pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
Manufacturing arms is pretty profitable though and no big power really seams to give a damn.

And I quick built everything except corn farms and stuff at the beginning of the game. It just is not worth it once you got your first factory up as the cash starts flowing and you (IMO) lose more by construction workers inaction than by shelling out for quick build. What good is my rum destillery when it takes it two years to build? I lose more by lost earnings in that period.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:09pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
When I set up my huge tourism thing I quickbuilt everything. Once you're above 80-100k a boat in exports it might even be worth destroying the construction guys entirely, since they're so useless. Most of the buildings you need a lot of aren't expensive anyway (like apartments, substations, basic amenities).



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:14pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
Yeah, but I keep them around just to keep the uneducated proles in work and happy.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:17pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Speaking of which, all of my education structures are almost totally unused. I keep a few teachers and professors employed, but almost nobody goes there anymore. That said, I'm pretty sure 75% of the populaton is working uneducated jobs. :V



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:21pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
Hmmm. I got a similar problem once all factory spots are filled. But then again the overpopulation gets pretty lol in later stages.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:25pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
In about year 3 or 4 I had some massive immigration spike (I think I went from 90 guys to 210 guys in two years) and early on with all the added costs for pollution etc it was a bit of a stretch trying to build enough housing and give everyone jobs (because god knows governments only work with cash on hand :V)... but of course after all the farms and factories were onstream by year 6-7 it was time to waste money buying shit for acheivements. Giant theme park that will take about 10 years to repay its cost? HELL YES WHY NOT!

Adding in the visible stock areas to buildings was a nice idea, but it just highlights how fucked up their person AI is. Oh look, every teamster in the country has gone to the pub/church/hospital at the same time! NO EXPORTS FOR LIKE 3 MONTHS. :V



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:34pm
Offline
Magister
Magister
User avatar

Joined: 2004-06-26 07:49pm
Posts: 25532
Another ridiculous things is that at some times, important buildings like churches and hospitals seem a bit empty once demand is met.

But who cares, money is so easy to get that the last 10 years of building activity is usually reserved for plastering the island with parks and building a Giant El-Presidente memorial ground with Mausoleum, statue etc that takes a quarter of the map. Because there is nothing else to do in the last thirty years of the sandbox.

I usually just build 30 pubs or cabaret for shits and giggles and then have my character visit everything because I am so utterly bored.



Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
------------------
A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 10:41pm
Offline
Emperor's Hand
User avatar

Joined: 2002-07-03 09:56pm
Posts: 36168
Location: Brisbane, Australia
I think each little man's needs decay over time, so when guys 'religion' bar is low they get cross if there's no church, but churches just act to 'fill up' their 'religion' bar, which then decays again over time.

The net result seems to be what you say - you build a church/pub/hospital/whatever and everyone in the fucking country files through to fill up their relevant bar and then doesn't need to go back for several years, making the buildings pretty useless much of the time. I turned all my churches etc down to half-staff to save money... even though its unnecessary.

And garbage dumps are a really crap way to work with pollution. I'd say 'garbage truck base' instead but they'd probably forget to ever drive around and pick up garbage, being stuck in the casino instead.



Elfdart wrote:
my first manager and I spent the better part of an hour in his office asking an insanely hot female employee to go through the "B" authors in the Lit section. Why? Because that would make her climb up on the ladder right where the security camera was and gave us a perfect view of her perfect gazongas
whatisprojectzohar.com

Top
 Profile  
 Post subject: Re: So I Got Tropico 4 a Couple Days Ago... PostPosted: 2012-02-21 11:20pm
Offline
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger

Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm
Posts: 28163
PeZook wrote:
So it's literally instant death, instead of making you spend monies on opression and abuse to stay in power?

Well, yeah, this sucks.


Or even more amusingly, getting thrown out of power; and then being able to fight/murder your way back in via a guerilla campaign.

Or...how about this for a shocking gameplay mechanic for Tropico 5. You...are not El Presidente at the start. You are Fidel Shroomstro in the jungles. Something like JA2, but less FN SCAR-L+NVGs but more about the dynamics of running a guerilla campaign than headshotting peeps.



"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group